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| Author: | rjmaype [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
New Face and Diesel for ’18 Ford F-150 Bob Gritzinger DETROIT – Truck shoppers will have to wait until spring 2018 to buy a diesel-engine-equipped Ford F-150, but the ’18-model pickup gets a number of significant powertrain updates in the meantime. The powertrain improvements are part of a midcycle makeover of Ford’s best-selling vehicle introduced with an all-aluminum body as a ’15 model. The redesign includes exterior styling changes front and rear, six new wheels and a range of optional driver-assistance functions, including adaptive cruise control with full stop-and-go capability. F-150 also gets a Wi-Fi option and is the first Ford vehicle to offer uplevel B&O Play audio. “This is our most extensive midcycle refresh, with full 360-degree differentiation,” says Brian Bell, F-150 marketing manager. “Between ’17 and ’18 (model years), the engines are all new or updated.” New for ’18 are a 3.3L V-6 replacing the current 3.5L base engine and a 3.0L V-6 Power Stroke turbodiesel. Carryover engines include the 5.0L V-8 and the 3.5L and 2.7L EcoBoost V-6s. All of the engines now get the same dual port and direct fuel injection added last year to the 3.5L EcoBoost. All are mated to Ford’s new 10-speed automatic transmission except the base engine, which comes with a carryover 6-speed automatic. All powertrains are equipped with stop/start technology including internal pumps to maintain fluid pressure at stop to assure smooth restarts. Ford says the base 3.3L will achieve the same 282 hp and 253 lb.-ft. (343 Nm) of torque as the 3.5L it replaces. No specifications are available for the other powertrains, but improvements are expected across the board. “Horsepower and torque will be better on everything except the 3.3L and fuel economy should be better as well,” says Jerry Farrell, chief program engineer. The ’18 F-150 goes on sale this fall, with the diesel arriving in spring 2018 or by midyear at the latest. Bell isn’t speculating on a take rate for the diesel, but expects EcoBoost to maintain its 60% share of F-150 sales, total V-6s at about 70% (including turbos and the base engine), with the V-8 and the new diesel filling in the rest of the sales. Buyers who value capability and fuel economy will appreciate the diesel once it arrives, he says. One of the knocks against the more-efficient EcoBoost engines is weak fuel economy when carrying heavy loads or towing. “Customers who do a lot of towing will really value the diesel,” Bell says. The ’18 F-150 will be built at the Dearborn (MI) Truck Plant and the Kansas City Assembly Plant in Claycomo, MO. bgritzinger@wardsauto.com @bobgritzinger |
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| Author: | geordi [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
As with every single time that a news report comes out about an "impending" ford F150 diesel option… I will believe it when I see it at a dealership. It is always two years away. I find it interesting that they reduced the usual press release this time to just 18 months, but this is still vaporware until it is actually at a dealership. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | jws84_02 [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
geordi wrote: As with every single time that a news report comes out about an "impending" ford F150 diesel option… I will believe it when I see it at a dealership. It is always two years away. I find it interesting that they reduced the usual press release this time to just 18 months, but this is still vaporware until it is actually at a dealership. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have higher hopes now since pretty much every other manufacture has a diesel option for the light duty truck in the us market |
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| Author: | olypopper [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
I'm also excited about it, however, I have my doubts as to it's reliability and it hasn't even made it to market yet. I drank the cool-aid and purchased a 6.7 powerstroke a while back and let me tell you, it was a nightmare compared to Cummins. I certainly hope they do their homework and make something more reliable and less complex than it's big brother. |
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| Author: | ibedonc [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
I already got my minimax and loving it |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
It's a war on small diesels. They want to stick electric cars on us, which the efficiency of small diesel is preventing its adoption... Ram 1500 and jeep grand cherokee don't have any 2017 model for diesel. The ecu is bosh and it looks like all bosh driven injection has something to fool nox values. There is also a class action suit against fca based on them promising no pollution, but when outside a specific temperature interval the vehicle pollutes. |
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| Author: | olypopper [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
thermorex wrote: It's a war on small diesels. They want to stick electric cars on us, which the efficiency of small diesel is preventing its adoption... Ram 1500 and jeep grand cherokee don't have any 2017 model for diesel. The ecu is bosh and it looks like all bosh driven injection has something to fool nox values. There is also a class action suit against fca based on them promising no pollution, but when outside a specific temperature interval the vehicle pollutes. Ram is listing the 1500 Ecodiesel on its website for sale as a 2017 model? Did you mis speak or is there something looming at FCa? |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
olypopper wrote: thermorex wrote: It's a war on small diesels. They want to stick electric cars on us, which the efficiency of small diesel is preventing its adoption... Ram 1500 and jeep grand cherokee don't have any 2017 model for diesel. The ecu is bosh and it looks like all bosh driven injection has something to fool nox values. There is also a class action suit against fca based on them promising no pollution, but when outside a specific temperature interval the vehicle pollutes. Ram is listing the 1500 Ecodiesel on its website for sale as a 2017 model? Did you mis speak or is there something looming at FCa? Shouldn't be mispeak. I am talking from what I read on the 1500 diesel forum. People can't buy the 2017 EcoDiesel. There is also this: http://m.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/ra ... suit.shtml One of the last complaints for lack of 2017 EcoDiesels, not a *proof* obviously... http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram- ... ?_k=1rsu0w The 2 may be related. I one didn't check if you can get the 2017 EcoDiesel, but could it be possible to be listed online but you can't build online and order? The gas engines are all available in 2017 variants. Y |
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| Author: | WWDiesel [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
Seems to me, everyone is jumping on the let's sue all diesel vehicle manufacturer's since the VW fiasco!  Who next, GM? Sortof like piling on the quarterback! Just wait till the tree huggers start sueing all the big diesel truck manufacturer's in this country  .....someone needs to put a stop to this insanity!!!
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| Author: | thermorex [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
WWDiesel wrote: Seems to me, everyone is jumping on the let's sue all diesel vehicle manufacturer's since the VW fiasco! Who next, GM? Sortof like piling on the quarterback! Just wait till the tree huggers start sueing all the big diesel truck manufacturer's in this country .....someone needs to put a stop to this insanity!!!So far it looks the war is on small diesels with Bosch ecm. But I bet the goal is to take small diesels out and have electric vehicles as a replacement. This issues are not present for heavy duty diesels, there is no way an electric vehicle with current technology will be able to replace them. |
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| Author: | CGman [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
thermorex wrote: Shouldn't be mispeak. I am talking from what I read on the 1500 diesel forum. People can't buy the 2017 EcoDiesel. There is also this: http://m.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/ra ... suit.shtml One of the last complaints for lack of 2017 EcoDiesels, not a *proof* obviously... http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram- ... ?_k=1rsu0w The 2 may be related. I one didn't check if you can get the 2017 EcoDiesel, but could it be possible to be listed online but you can't build online and order? The gas engines are all available in 2017 variants. Y Looks like the same (diesel powered) Ambulance chasers are filing numerous 'clean diesel' lawsuits from the looks of the links on that carcompliants website. One of the funny things is that at the same time they're suing for excessive emissions, they are also complaining of excessive regen cycles on the DPF!  Unless you're towing really big loads I would hesitate to buy any post-06 diesel pickup...the emissions requirements (whether they're on fulltime or not) are too expensive/compliated/performance restricting to justify for a daily driver. |
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| Author: | flash7210 [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
thermorex wrote: It's a war on small diesels. They want to stick electric cars on us, which the efficiency of small diesel is preventing its adoption... Ram 1500 and jeep grand cherokee don't have any 2017 model for diesel. The ecu is bosh and it looks like all bosh driven injection has something to fool nox values. There is also a class action suit against fca based on them promising no pollution, but when outside a specific temperature interval the vehicle pollutes. FCA and Mercedes. Yes, those engines pollute more in extreme cold and extreme hot conditions. But are still within regulations. The difference is, VW was tested by a independent group under real world conditions while actually driving. The equipment used for that is not common or easy to setup. No such tests have been performed on any other vehicles. |
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| Author: | flash7210 [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
Something else to think about... Dodge Caliber and Jeep Patriot vehicles were sold with VW 2.0 TDI engines in Europe. Exactly where do they fall in this emissions scandal business??? |
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| Author: | flman [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
EPA will be getting a new boss soon, we will see how that plays out? |
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| Author: | CGman [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
thermorex wrote: olypopper wrote: thermorex wrote: It's a war on small diesels. They want to stick electric cars on us, which the efficiency of small diesel is preventing its adoption... Ram 1500 and jeep grand cherokee don't have any 2017 model for diesel. The ecu is bosh and it looks like all bosh driven injection has something to fool nox values. There is also a class action suit against fca based on them promising no pollution, but when outside a specific temperature interval the vehicle pollutes. Ram is listing the 1500 Ecodiesel on its website for sale as a 2017 model? Did you mis speak or is there something looming at FCa? Shouldn't be mispeak. I am talking from what I read on the 1500 diesel forum. People can't buy the 2017 EcoDiesel. There is also this: http://m.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/ra ... suit.shtml One of the last complaints for lack of 2017 EcoDiesels, not a *proof* obviously... http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram- ... ?_k=1rsu0w The 2 may be related. I one didn't check if you can get the 2017 EcoDiesel, but could it be possible to be listed online but you can't build online and order? The gas engines are all available in 2017 variants. Y According to this article the EPA is refusing to certify 2017 EcoDiesels until they've completed their crucifixion..err, examination of the emissions software. https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-epa-accuse-fiat-chrysler-excess-diesel-emissions-154301792--finance.html Sniff, sniff....I smell gov't fines! 
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| Author: | mass-hole [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
geordi wrote: As with every single time that a news report comes out about an "impending" ford F150 diesel option… I will believe it when I see it at a dealership. It is always two years away. I find it interesting that they reduced the usual press release this time to just 18 months, but this is still vaporware until it is actually at a dealership. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It was never an official announcement until this week. My guess is that Ford doesn't really even care about it other than it makes their average corporate mpg look better. I think they could have a solid platform though. With the light weight aluminum body and the tall 10th gear of the new transmission they should be able to up the mpg game. |
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| Author: | mass-hole [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
Bosch wrote their own fate. Whether or not they you agree with the EPA, Bosch screwed around and was directly involved with vws scandal so they should be under scrutiny. GM has not had issues with their 2017 canyon/Colorado and the AC Delco system passing cause they didn't undermine the law. |
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| Author: | thermorex [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps my CRD replacement- 2018 Ford 150 diesel |
mass-hole wrote: Bosch wrote their own fate. Whether or not they you agree with the EPA, Bosch screwed around and was directly involved with vws scandal so they should be under scrutiny. GM has not had issues with their 2017 canyon/Colorado and the AC Delco system passing cause they didn't undermine the law. I'm not sure others didn't do exactly the same thing. Bosch just got caught. It is very likely everybody is doing it, including gasoline engine computers. This is more politics than real pollution and carrying about people. I can't tell you how many times I go uphill and the ugly smell of unburned gasoline from other vehicles invades the cabin... Smells worse than diesel and it's also polluting and being high in nox. Epa needs to get realistic plus maybe 90% of the epa funds to be invested in developing really clean energy sources (not conventional batteries that create also pollution when manufacturing and disposing). I'm sure there is a way to have clean energy without having the country and us going bankrupt, as the trend is looking... |
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