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Author:  IndyCRD [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Aftermarket oil filter
Sorry if this has been covered. I couldn't get the search function to turn anything up.

I'm wanting to change out the factory oil and went to get oil and a filter yesterday. I looked at the Framm filters while at the store and the one that they recommend is nearly half the size of the factory filter. I had a bad feeling about that and ended up going to the local dealer to pick up a Mopar for $13. Are there any suitable aftermarket filters out there? I guess $13 isn't terrible, but aftermarket ones are generally less than half that price.

On the same note, I went to Walmart to pick up a couple big jugs of Rotella T Synthetic 5-40. I used to buy it there because I used that oil in my VW way back when. Well, I can't find a Walmart that carries it anymore. One Walmart did have it by the quart, but it was way more expensive that way. Any recommendations on where I can find it now? I guess I could go to a truck stop. None of that auto stores here seem to have it either.
Author:  RFCRD [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Aftermarket oil filter
IndyCRD wrote:
Sorry if this has been covered. I couldn't get the search function to turn anything up.

I'm wanting to change out the factory oil and went to get oil and a filter yesterday. I looked at the Framm filters while at the store and the one that they recommend is nearly half the size of the factory filter. I had a bad feeling about that and ended up going to the local dealer to pick up a Mopar for $13. Are there any suitable aftermarket filters out there? I guess $13 isn't terrible, but aftermarket ones are generally less than half that price.

On the same note, I went to Walmart to pick up a couple big jugs of Rotella T Synthetic 5-40. I used to buy it there because I used that oil in my VW way back when. Well, I can't find a Walmart that carries it anymore. One Walmart did have it by the quart, but it was way more expensive that way. Any recommendations on where I can find it now? I guess I could go to a truck stop. None of that auto stores here seem to have it either.

NAPA Gold $5, made by WIX. And unlike the Fram, it's actually the right length. Walmart does still carry Rotella 5W40 in gal, sells quickly near me so I keep 2 gal in reserve. May want to call around to other nearby Walmarts might find some.

Had an interesting conversation yesterday while servicing my CRD. The oil supplier stopped by the shop to deliver some CI-4+ rated 15W40 for their bus fleet. Saw me pouring the Rotella synthetic into my CRD. Starting asking questions about oil consumption and if I had an oil contaminated CAC. Claims the 5W40 synthetics are too thin. In most cases get sucked through the turbo seals. He was running it in their delivery truck (Powerstroke) and switched to 15W40 conventional, oil in CAC went away. Wonder if there is any truth to this?
Author:  Stan Wright [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:44 am ]
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I used a NAPA gold filter P/N FIL1516. It's supposedly made by Wix and a good quality filter. It was $5.99.

My local Walmart is hit and miss on the jugs of Rotella. They never seem to have more than 3 or 4 when they have them.

Edit: Looks like RFCRD and I posted at the same time with the same info.
Author:  IndyCRD [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:51 am ]
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Thanks guys. I never thought about NAPA. I'll go there next time.

I'll check with a couple more Walmarts before I give up on them. I'd probably be better off getting out of the city and hitting a more "rural" Walmart. Probably have better luck there.

Thanks again.
Author:  oldnavy [ Wed May 17, 2006 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Aftermarket oil filter
RFCRD wrote:
Had an interesting conversation yesterday while servicing my CRD. The oil supplier stopped by the shop to deliver some CI-4+ rated 15W40 for their bus fleet. Saw me pouring the Rotella synthetic into my CRD. Starting asking questions about oil consumption and if I had an oil contaminated CAC. Claims the 5W40 synthetics are too thin. In most cases get sucked through the turbo seals. He was running it in their delivery truck (Powerstroke) and switched to 15W40 conventional, oil in CAC went away. Wonder if there is any truth to this?
Funny you should mention this as I have started to open a new thread to discuss this problem and the possibility.

The original reason for the 0w-40 and 5w-40 oils was to increase mpg's, our CRD's have no reason as for as oil goes to use a the 0w-40 or 5w-40 other then MPG's and when or if we were to go to 15w-50 be it synthetic or not, the CRD would take a MPG hit. If we were to start using 15w-50 conventional oil our 28 MPG rated rig would probably drop that to 25 or 26 MPG, this is no big hit to you or I, but in the grand scheme of things we are talking millions of gallons of fuel a year in just our CRD's world wide.

One problem we all face is durring warranty period if we fail to use a 0w-40 or 5w-40 synthetic oil that meets the required API rating we stand the risk of lose of warranty. I'm not sure I want to risk that lose myself.

All that said I am quite sure the oil in the intake system would be reduced greatly, doubt it would be completly eliminanted however. This oil is really no big problem except when mixed with the EGR dust, then we have a whole new problem.

Heck I think I will cut and paste this in a new thread.
Author:  KJbob [ Wed May 17, 2006 10:29 am ]
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Here's a prior thread discussing this topic:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4564&start=45
Author:  IndyCRD [ Wed May 17, 2006 10:42 am ]
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KJbob wrote:
Here's a prior thread discussing this topic:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4564&start=45


Thanks KJbob. One of the posts mentioned finding Rotella T syn at Tractor Supply. I didn't even think of that. There is one of those just down the road from me here at work. I'll try there.
Author:  retmil46 [ Thu May 18, 2006 12:26 am ]
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Advance carries Purolator filters, both the premium and Pure One versions, L 25230 and PL 25230. Pure One version was $8, constructed the same as the Mopar filter (check valve at the top).

Tractor Supply Company had Rotella T 5W40 in gallon jugs by the b##t-ton, only $1 more per gallon than Wally World.

And in case you're wondering how much a b##t-ton is, if I remember my Navy units of measurement correctly, two s##t-loads equals one b##t-ton. :lol:

And while you're at TSC don't forget the chow line and relative bearing grease. :wink:
Author:  Davesub [ Thu May 18, 2006 2:55 am ]
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retmil46 wrote:

And in case you're wondering how much a b##t-ton is, if I remember my Navy units of measurement correctly, two s##t-loads equals one b##t-ton. :lol:

And while you're at TSC don't forget the chow line and relative bearing grease. :wink:


Dont forget the mail buoy and Machinist Punch while your there also
Author:  oldnavy [ Thu May 18, 2006 10:22 am ]
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Davesub wrote:
retmil46 wrote:

And in case you're wondering how much a b##t-ton is, if I remember my Navy units of measurement correctly, two s##t-loads equals one b##t-ton. :lol:

And while you're at TSC don't forget the chow line and relative bearing grease. :wink:


Dont forget the mail buoy and Machinist Punch while your there also
Man I leave you guys a couple hours and start getting wild, next you will be keel hualing some ground pounder.
Author:  TDI4BY [ Wed May 31, 2006 7:48 pm ]
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How come the napa 1516 doesn't cross over from the factory #? My local store also did not even show a listing for a filter.
Author:  NetJunkie [ Wed May 31, 2006 8:21 pm ]
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Don't use Fram oil filters. Plenty of info on the net about why.....but they are not good quality.
Author:  TDI4BY [ Wed May 31, 2006 8:22 pm ]
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I actually looked at Napa online and a 1516 is listed for the CRD, I also crossed it to a B-243 Baldwin.
Author:  Hero [ Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:41 am ]
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NetJunkie wrote:
Don't use Fram oil filters. Plenty of info on the net about why.....but they are not good quality.


I was going to say the exact same thing, every singe oil filter test I've ever seen has rated FRAM at the bottom of the barrel if not the absolute worst thing you can buy. All FRAM products have the tendency to literally fall apart rapidly over a short period of time, I don't know about you or anyone else but I'd rather not have chucks of oil filter media roaming around in my crankcase ;)

If you want the best of the best, I would go with an Amsoil oil filter as they have proven to be the cream of the crop. But if you want something cheaper and more accessible, I'd recommend a Mobil 1 filter or even an STP or Bosch filter.
Author:  bagger [ Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:38 am ]
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Whats wrong with the stock filter? It was made for the CRD.
Author:  RFCRD [ Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:22 am ]
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bagger wrote:
Whats wrong with the stock filter? It was made for the CRD.

Nothing. It's also unlikely this filer was made for the CRD, more like it met their engineering spec and fit the hole. There are many quality filters that meet the same CRD spec. All a matter of what you want to spend on a filter, $6 for the NAPA/WIX or $16 for the Mopar.
Author:  TDI4BY [ Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:38 pm ]
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I stopped by a local dealer and they wanted 17 Bucks for a filter, Thats crazy... Where can I get a factory filter for a reasonable price?
BTW I bought a Mobil1 for about 10 bucks...
Author:  bagger [ Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:51 pm ]
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I pay $8.46 plus tax .58 = $9.04 total from my dealer for the filters. At 12k oil change intervals that's pretty economical. I'm sure there are other filters out there that will work but I'll stick with the stock filter and sleep better at nite. IF there should be a problem with the filter DC will have to deal with it. :)
Author:  JJsTJ [ Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:55 am ]
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Hero wrote:
NetJunkie wrote:
Don't use Fram oil filters. Plenty of info on the net about why.....but they are not good quality.


I was going to say the exact same thing, every singe oil filter test I've ever seen has rated FRAM at the bottom of the barrel if not the absolute worst thing you can buy. All FRAM products have the tendency to literally fall apart rapidly over a short period of time, I don't know about you or anyone else but I'd rather not have chucks of oil filter media roaming around in my crankcase ;)

If you want the best of the best, I would go with an Amsoil oil filter as they have proven to be the cream of the crop. But if you want something cheaper and more accessible, I'd recommend a Mobil 1 filter or even an STP or Bosch filter.


Good call on the Amsoil filter! Definately the Best on the market and shipped to your door w/in a few days of ordering too. P/N EA034, Retail $17.10 but cheaper if you PM me.

AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters have the best efficiency rating in the industry. EaO Filters provide a filtering efficiency in accordance with industry standard ISO 4548-12 of 98.7 percent at 15 microns, while competitive filters containing conventional cellulose medias range from 40 to 80 percent efficiency.

Less Restriction
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters have significantly lower restriction than conventional cellulose media filters. Their small synthetic nanofibers trap smaller particles and hold more contaminants, resulting in lower restriction. During cold temperature warm-up periods, an EaO lube filter allows the oil to easily flow through the filter compared to a typical cellulose filter. Lower restriction decreases engine wear.

More Capacity
A filter’s capacity refers to the amount of contaminants it can hold and still remain effective. AMSOIL EaO Filters have a far greater capacity than competing filter lines. When used in conjunction with AMSOIL synthetic motor oils in normal service, EaO Filters are guaranteed to remain effective for 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.

Superior Construction
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters are made with premium-grade full synthetic media. The strictly controlled processing of this media ensures accurate filter construction, and is what allows Ea Oil Filters to deliver higher capacity and efficiency along with better durability.

Over the service life of a conventional cellulose filter, hot oil will degrade the resins that bind the media. EaO Filters’ full synthetic media technology uses a wire screen backing that is pleated with the media for superior strength.

Ea Oil Filters are constructed with HNBR nitrile gaskets that are fully tested to extreme distances in numerous severe environments. The filters also feature fully tucked seams, a molded element seal, roll-formed threads and a long-lasting premium-grade silicone anti-drain valve.

Service Life
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil. AMSOIL recommends changing the oil filter at the time of oil change.

If used in conjunction with AMSOIL Motor Oil that is being changed at intervals less than 25,000 miles, the EaO Filter should be changed at the same time. AMSOIL EaO Filters are not guaranteed for 25,000 miles when used with any oil other than AMSOIL Motor Oil and should be changed according to vehicle OEM recommendations.

PLMK if you have any questions on Amsoil products.
Author:  0311_DoC [ Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:00 pm ]
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ok So if I understand this correctly, you can keep the oil filter for up to 25K even if you change the oil, lets say at 7500 or 10K? So you just put it back on after the oil change?
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