mass-hole wrote:
Yes but our jeeps make less torque than a Hemi, even on a Hot tune, in a lighter chassis than a Ram. So sure, its great having a 600 ft-lb rating, but it seems very far from necessary. I have a stock converter with my tune turned up to 400 ft-lbs and get very minor shudder at this point. And thats with the GDE Eco trans tune which likes to lug the crap out of it.
Not to argue, but I also have a stock original TC in a stock original trans, with a stock tune (to the best of my knowledge) At any RPM over 1800, and with 2 packets of Dr Tranny's Anti Shudder stuff, and less than 1500 miles on a full tranny service and new filters, It easily reduces the stock TC clutch to a quivering jello pudding if I apply over about 60% go-pedal.
2010 Dodge Ram Hemi 1500 Quad Cab 5.7L SCT Dyno Run Made 285 RWHP and 301 RWTQ and this is with Header-back exhaust upgrade.
VMM R428 easily makes more torque than this, even with Eco-Tune when backed by a TC that can hold it.
In stock form, even the 2015 5Ram 1500 EcoDiesel made a maximum of 215 hp and 367 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels (Banks Engineering) Barely matching the R428 torque, WITH GDE HOT tune. Now, the fact that the Liberty is a much lighter vehicle, could help make a EURO converter clutch live, but throw a trailer behind it, loaded for a week's hunting trip, and you'll be wishing you spent the extra dough for a 5.7 Hemi TC, or better.
Regarding the 5.7 Hemi TC clutch, I have no ACTUAL proof of numbers, but the number I've heard tossed around the Dodge camp is 500 lbs-ft stock. I personally think this may be a bit optimistic, but they don't seem to have trouble with it, even with turbo, NOx, or other power adders.
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