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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:28 pm 
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Ford’s Light-Duty Diesel Pickup Claims MPG Leadership
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F-150’s 3.0L Power Stroke diesel hits EPA-estimated 30 mpg.

Ford says EPA fuel-economy testing confirms its expectation that the F-150 fullsize pickup powered by an all-new turbodiesel V-6 achieves a best-in-class 30 mpg (7.8 L/100 km).

The Power Stroke diesel also is rated at 22 mpg city (10.7 L/100 km) and 25 mpg (9.4 L/100 km) combined, both tops for a fullsize truck. The diesel F-150 arrives in dealers in May.

The 3.0L Power Stroke produces 250 hp and 440 lb.-ft. (597 Nm) of torque, enabling up to 11,400 lbs. (5,171 kg) of towing capability and as much as 2,020 lbs. (916 kg) of payload capacity. The engine is paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission and stop/start is standard.

“Even a few years ago, customers wouldn’t have imagined an EPA-estimated rating of 30 mpg highway would be possible in a fullsize pickup, but our team of crazy-smart engineers rose to

the challenge,” says Hau Thai-Tang, Ford executive vice president-product development and purchasing.

The engine is a variant of the 3.0L turbodiesel sold in Jaguar and Land Rover models and is built at Ford’s Dagenham Engine Plant in the U.K. The diesel will add between $2,400 and $4,000 to the sticker price, depending on trim level.

The F-150 Power Stroke’s lone competition in fullsize light-duty pickups is the 2-wheel-drive ’18 Ram 1500 equipped with a 3.0L V-6 EcoDiesel and an 8-speed automatic transmission, rated at 20/27/23 mpg (11.7-8.7-10.2 L/100 km) city/highway/combined. The EcoDiesel produces 240 hp and 420 lb.-ft. (569 Nm) of torque.

The EcoDiesel’s rating is up 2 mpg (0.87 km/L) city and down 2 mpg on the highway rating due to a change in the EPA testing methodology since the engine was introduced in the ’14 model year. The variance is unrelated to software changes implemented to resolve an EPA emissions violation, FCA spokesman Eric Mayne says. Those changes did not affect fuel efficiency or engine performance, the company says.

The ’18 Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon midsize pickups equipped with 2.8L 4-cyl. turbodiesels and 6-speed automatic gearboxes and 2-wheel drive match the F-150 Power Stroke.

Ford’s closest competitor from its own stable is the 2-wheel-drive F-150 equipped with a turbocharged 2.7L gasoline V-6 and a 10-speed automatic transmission rated at 20/26/22 mpg (11.7-9.0-10.7 L/100 km).

General Motors joins the fullsize light-duty diesel wars in earnest later this year when it introduces a 3.0L inline 6-cyl. Duramax engine in the Silverado pickup.


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Arriving at dealers.... In the USA or just the UK?


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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:30 pm 
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Arriving at dealers.... In the USA or just the UK?


In the US. As far as I know, the F-150 is still a grey import in that part of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
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EPA ratings, so subtract 5 MPG and it will be about right.

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:00 pm 
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flman wrote:
EPA ratings, so subtract 5 MPG and it will be about right.

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/04/its-of ... ews-video/


Why? Dont diesels usually do as good or a little better than the EPA? Gas engines certainly tend to do a bit worse.

Jalponik asked ford why the 4x4 took such a large hit in hwy MPG's. They were told a couple of things:

1. The consumer(non-fleet) versions of the 4x4 can only get a 3.55 axle ratio
2. The consumer versions come with A/T tires by default
3. The consumer versions are only available as Lariat and up trim levels, in other words, the heaviest configurations.
4. The consumer version comes with the Torque-on-demand transfer case that has the 4Auto feature. Not really sure why this would make a big difference.

They did say that the fleet 4x4 got 21 city/28 hwy/24 combined because it has 3.31's available.

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
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rjmaype wrote:
Ford’s closest competitor from its own stable is the 2-wheel-drive F-150 equipped with a turbocharged 2.7L gasoline V-6 and a 10-speed automatic transmission rated at 20/26/22 mpg (11.7-9.0-10.7 L/100 km).

General Motors joins the fullsize light-duty diesel wars in earnest later this year when it introduces a 3.0L inline 6-cyl. Duramax engine in the Silverado pickup.


Instead of 15 different small and medium pickups with diesels how about a new SUV that can fit more than 5 people and tow more than 10,000 lbs? My Excursion isn't going to last forever...

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
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CGman wrote:
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Ford’s closest competitor from its own stable is the 2-wheel-drive F-150 equipped with a turbocharged 2.7L gasoline V-6 and a 10-speed automatic transmission rated at 20/26/22 mpg (11.7-9.0-10.7 L/100 km).

General Motors joins the fullsize light-duty diesel wars in earnest later this year when it introduces a 3.0L inline 6-cyl. Duramax engine in the Silverado pickup.


Instead of 15 different small and medium pickups with diesels how about a new SUV that can fit more than 5 people and tow more than 10,000 lbs? My Excursion isn't going to last forever...


The expedition is right there on the towing but the problem will be payload capacity. The Ecoboost will certainly pull 10,000 lbs like its nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:47 pm 
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The expedition is right there on the towing but the problem will be payload capacity. The Ecoboost will certainly pull 10,000 lbs like its nothing.


That's what we were looking at, but unfortunately the rest of the truck isn't rated for it...9000 lbs max towing capacity. 15,300 lbs GCWR. :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
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Ford’s diesel-powered F-150 pickup is here, or soon will be as production ramps up this spring, and it’s remarkable for its smoothness and quietness. Perhaps a little surprisingly, the builder expects only about 5 percent of buyers to choose the 3-liter V-6 diesel over several gasoline engines, but because the F-150 is America’s biggest selling motor vehicle of any type–896,764 last year–5 percent will still be a high-volume proposition.

Buyers will find highway fuel economy of 30 miles per gallon, along with 22 mpg city and 25 mpg combined, according to the EPA rating disseminated by Ford. With a light foot, highway economy could be a bit higher, representatives told truck writers who drove various iterations of the 2018 F-150 on suburban streets and mountain roads northwest of Denver earlier this week. Although called a Power Stroke, that name and the material used in casting the block–compacted graphite iron–are the only commonality with the larger 6.7-liter V-8 diesel offered in SuperDuty pickups.

Ford 250-hp V-6 Power Stroke diesel is entirely smokeless and odorless.“It has its own architecture,” spokesman Mike Levine explained. It’s a truck version of a diesel used in Range Rovers in Europe, and is a Ford design built in a Ford plant in the United Kingdom. It comes in only one rating, with 250 horsepower and 440 lb-ft. of torque, which proved more than adequate in drives of empty and loaded trucks at high altitudes in rainy, snowy and foggy weather.

The standard transmission is a new SelectShift 10-speed automatic, replacing 6-speed gearboxes previously used. In the test runs, multiple ratios allowed the diesel to work in its most efficient speed, which when cruising was between 1,400 and 1,600 RPM, near its torque peak of 1,700, no matter the road speed. When pressed for more go-power, revs rose to 2,500 and 3,000, but with neither commotion nor smoke, either seen or smelt. Federal regulations demand such behavior, yet it’s still impressive

The Power Stroke V-6 will be available in all F-150 trim levels except the top-of-the-line Limited, Levine said. The upcharge will be a modest $4,000 over a 3.5-liter EcoBoost gasoline engine, compared to about $9,000 for the 6.7 Power Stroke in a SuperDuty pickup. SuperDuties no longer have a unique, larger cab, instead sharing the F-150’s aluminum structure.

A diesel makes the most sense for people “who run fully loaded all the time, like landscapers, or someone who just wants a diesel,” he said. “And it will be an alternative for those who buy an F-250 just to get a diesel.” With its 1-ton payload and a tow rating of 11,000 pounds, an F-150 diesel will be nearly as capable.

A line of new pickups awaited the troupe of reporters outside our hotel, and the first one I grabbed was an XL SuperCab, loaded with a hefty stack of 2x4 boards said to weigh about 1,000 pounds, or half its listed payload capacity. The load made for a steady ride and the powertrain propelled us well. Designers didn’t skimp on sound-suppression, so the engine could be heard only faintly and there was little wind noise on a breezy day. While standing next to the truck as its engine idled, it would not be clear to a casual listener that it was a diesel.

The XL is Ford’s basic work-truck model, and is the one fleet buyers usually choose. It comes with a “rubber floor” (actually a vinyl material), monotone grey plastic on the dashboard and door panels, and cloth-covered seats that proved very supportive and comfortable.

“This is good enough for me,” I thought, until I got in a King Ranch version, which had sumptuous leather seat covers with a western flair, along with bright-metal trim that nicely contrasted with the expanses of plastic. This truck also had a large infotainment screen that, among things, included an accurate navigation system. Levine rode along on the 45-mile loop with this truck and pointed out that among other electronic features was an adaptive cruise control that shadowed traffic ahead, accelerating and slowing as needed, and it included automatic braking that could bring the truck to a complete stop. I tried it and it worked.

My third trip was in an F-150 with slightly fancier Platinum trim, hitched to a heavy boat trailer that gave the diesel a slight workout and upset the truck’s ride. The trailer’s tongue had a crack-the-whip effect on the rear end; this caused bouncing that made its way into the cab and seats, resulting in moderate but annoying back slap. If I towed a lot, I’d make pulling my trailer part of a test drive because an F-250 might be a better choice after all. But for most hauling and cruising chores, the new F-150 diesel is a smooth and capable machine that Ford fans will love, whether they buy one or not.


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 Post subject: Re: F150 diesel built in England
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CGman wrote:

That's what we were looking at, but unfortunately the rest of the truck isn't rated for it...9000 lbs max towing capacity. 15,300 lbs GCWR. :banghead:


I dont think an expedition could legitimately tow 9,000 lbs and carry passengers without exceeding payload capacity or GAWR.

The other option would be a 6 seater F150 with the HD Payload package. That puts it in the 2400-2500 lb payload range and can tow ~12000 lbs. You could carry 6 people and tow a 10,000 lb trailer.

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