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Word of Caution on Power Steering Hoses
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Author:  casm [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:48 am ]
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Mountainman wrote:
-there's that weird (condenser?) On the k-frame


My guess is that this is basically an accumulator; its purpose is likely to maintain and normalise pressure as the fluid moves through the return. That's complete speculation on my behalf, however.

FWIW, the 2006 parts fiche gives a part number of 52129342AD (LHD) for the complete hose assembly (pressure & return), and does show the inline Tylenol on the return. For 2005, the part number is 52129342AB (LHD) for the complete assembly.

What's interesting is that there are a couple of differences between them:

2005: No inline Tylenol on the return. Power steering system appears to be shared with the 4-cylinder gas models. Both LHD and RHD models are shown as having the cooler.

2006: LHD gets the inline Tylenol; RHD does not. RHD gets the cooler; LHD does not. Both the LHD and RHD systems are specific to the turbodiesel. RHD system looks to be very similar if not identical to the 4-cylinder gas setup in 2005.

Not sure what all of this means, and it wouldn't be the first time the parts fiche lied. But it may be useful in figuring out what goes where.
Author:  graycenphil [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:57 am ]
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Thanks Casm. I wonder what would happen without the accumulator; would it make any difference? I’ve never seen on on another vehicle, so how important is it really.
Author:  casm [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:39 am ]
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graycenphil wrote:
Thanks Casm. I wonder what would happen without the accumulator; would it make any difference? I’ve never seen on on another vehicle, so how important is it really.


Quite honestly, I can't remember having ever seen one on another vehicle either.

My best guess is that without it, there may be pressure drops and surges in the hydraulics which could lead to jerking / stuttering steering action. You probably wouldn't lose steering altogether, but power assistance would likely be inconsistent.
Author:  PZKW108 [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:18 pm ]
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This is the number on the hose the dealership gave me last January for my 05 :

52129342AF ( hose assy- P S )

I've installed it successfully on my Jeep but the the 2 hoses where assemble backward to each other.......
Author:  graycenphil [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:56 pm ]
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Was it a fairly straightforward hose, or was it that crazy one that passes under the rack with a bulb in it, then goes up behind the headlight then back down to the rack?
Author:  PZKW108 [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:02 pm ]
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graycenphil wrote:
Was it a fairly straightforward hose, or was it that crazy one that passes under the rack with a bulb in it, then goes up behind the headlight then back down to the rack?


The crazy one !!!!! One hell of a job !
Author:  graycenphil [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:10 pm ]
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Interesting. So from wat you and Mountainman found, it seems both years use the same hose. Unless there was a change somewhere in the middle of the model year.

How bad a job was it? Did you take apart the front end - lights, grille, etc? Radiator too? Was the rack accessible from the front, or underneath?
Author:  PZKW108 [ Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:27 pm ]
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graycenphil wrote:
Interesting. So from wat you and Mountainman found, it seems both years use the same hose. Unless there was a change somewhere in the middle of the model year.

How bad a job was it? Did you take apart the front end - lights, grille, etc? Radiator too? Was the rack accessible from the front, or underneath?


I removed bumper, grill, headlight assy, rad hoses......

But if you are to do the rack too it's makes the job effective to remove the whole front end with the rad, intecooler and everything, you might as well do you trans cooler line too !

If you want to do the rack alone from underneath you need to remove or move the front diff.... :ALONE:

I also believe the 05 and 06 have the exact same PS setup !
Author:  krb [ Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:44 am ]
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If power steering worked fine on 2005 models, why wouldn't that power steering hose work on a 2006? What changed on the '06 steering system I wonder?
Author:  graycenphil [ Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:01 pm ]
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It’s a bit of a mystery, but it is beginning to look as if they may use the same hoses.

Everybody shows the ‘06 pressure hose as no longer available. Some, including Rockauto, still list the ‘05 hose but it looks quite different. Mountianman says he sees the same hose setup, similar to the ‘06, on both years.

I’ve also noticed that Rockauto lists the same pump for both years, but different racks. Their catalog also shows that the ‘06 CRD used the same rack as the gas Liberties.

All a bit confusing, but kind of intriguing too. We have to figure it out; I’m sure my ‘06 won’t be the last one to see the pressure line rot out.
Author:  Mountainman [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:56 pm ]
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Post or send me the 05 pic from rock auto, or post the link and I'll compare them to the one I have out of the jeep. Actually, same goes for 06 pic, as I have pics on my phone of that. If not, I'll get around to looking it up when a fire isn't headed towards my cabin where most of my tools, 2 vehicles, and my boat are, yikes!
Author:  krb [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:30 am ]
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This is the RockAuto link I had found for the '05 https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 69&jsn=375
Author:  graycenphil [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:53 am ]
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And in this link the first diagram shows the ‘06 hose setup that I have, which apparently is no longer available. Good luck with the wildfires Mountainman.

https://www.oemmopar.parts/v-2006-jeep- ... ring-hoses
Author:  WWDiesel [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:47 am ]
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All the part numbers between 05 & 06 are different in the parts fiches. Looks like they made a change between 05 to 06 models?
But it does appear the gas vehicles use the same parts based on the below listings.
The steering rack part numbers are different from 05 to 06.

This is what is listed for the racks:

2005 Part Number: 52109970AA
Jeep Liberty 2.4L 4 Cyl M/T 4X2 SPORT 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 2.4L 4 Cyl M/T 4X4 SPORT 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 2.4L I4 M/T 4X2 SPORT 2003
Jeep Liberty 2.4L I4 M/T 4X4 SPORT 2003
Jeep Liberty 2.8L Turbo 4 Cyl Diesel A/T 4X4 LIMITED EDITION 2005
Jeep Liberty 2.8L Turbo 4 Cyl Diesel A/T 4X4 SPORT 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 LIMITED EDITION 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 RENEGADE 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 SPORT 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 LIMITED EDITION 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 RENEGADE 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 SPORT 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X2 RENEGADE 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X2 SPORT 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X4 RENEGADE 2003, 2004, 2005
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X4 SPORT 2003, 2004, 2005

2006 Part Number: 52128517AE
Jeep Liberty 2.8L Turbo 4 Cyl Diesel A/T 4X4 LIMITED EDTION 2006
Jeep Liberty 2.8L Turbo 4 Cyl Diesel A/T 4X4 SPORT 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 LIMITED EDITION 2006, 2007
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 RENEGADE 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X2 SPORT 2006, 2007
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 LIMITED EDITION 2007
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 LIMITED EDTION 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 RENEGADE 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 A/T 4X4 SPORT 2006, 2007
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X2 RENEGADE 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X2 SPORT 2006, 2007
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X4 RENEGADE 2006
Jeep Liberty 3.7L Power Tech V6 M/T 4X4 SPORT 2006, 2007
Author:  graycenphil [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:06 pm ]
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Which suggests that the gas pressure line might work on the diesel, or at least be adaptable.
Author:  WWDiesel [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:24 pm ]
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graycenphil wrote:
Which suggests that the gas pressure line might work on the diesel, or at least be adaptable.

Upon further investigation, the part numbers compared between the gas models versus the diesel models for the same year don't match at all, none of them.
Also on the gas models according to the parts fiche, the PS reservoir is part of the PS pump, not a remote reservoir like the diesels.
Very confusing looking at the parts lists & diagrams. :banghead:

The updated PN is: 52129342AF
Author:  graycenphil [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:37 pm ]
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According to Rockauto, the gas rack is the same part number as the ‘06 diesel rack. That should mean that at least the ends of the pressure line are the same.
Author:  WWDiesel [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:35 pm ]
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Put this together, hopefully it may be helpful to some.
Please Note, for 2005 Year Model Only, 2006 part numbers are different.
If you see anything incorrect, please post, dwg can be updated and another one can be done just for 2006 models.

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Author:  Mountainman [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:30 pm ]
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graycenphil wrote:
And in this link the first diagram shows the ‘06 hose setup that I have, which apparently is no longer available. Good luck with the wildfires Mountainman.

https://www.oemmopar.parts/v-2006-jeep- ... ring-hoses


Thanks, the wind let us not get incinerated again! Hopefully it doesn't change its mind.

I just looked at 3 more or my 05's, and they all have the elaborate hose config with the cooler. That makes 4, I'll be right back with a comparison of the 2006 picture to the 05 parts I have removed.
Author:  graycenphil [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:13 pm ]
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So I’d say it’s pretty certain that the ‘05 and ‘06 use the same pressure hose. So I wonder, when Rockauto sells the pressure hose for the ‘05, but not for the ‘06, are they mistaken? The picture in their parts list does not look like the hose we know is in there. Is there any chance the hose they sell would fit? For $29, it’s probably worth finding out.
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