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Author: | Gypsy62 [ Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
I made some extremely over-enthusiastic, ill-advised and ill-prepared decisions last Thursday. I misjudged off-road conditions in remote Northern Nevada back-country. Jeep coulda' made it, but didn't; the front drive-shaft failed at the tcase side. If I had packed chains, I probably could have navigated the 6-12" hard-pack and mud on my rear-lockers alone. No chains = dead MacGuyver. So, in winter CARRY CHAINS, even if you think that your 4-wheel locker rig is invincible. Full-moon, 25-mile solo power-march to the nearest ranch, cougars tracking me hard. Sometimes, stupid survives. I'm proof. Anyway, mechanical facts: I pulled the front shaft off. Reviewing both previous posts on the subject and online retail products, prices and availability, it sounds like there are a few repair options: - Complete new CRD-specific axle. All cost around $550, quality apparently similar all-around; all Beijing. - Driveshaft CV rebuild-kit @ $30. Advisable for long-term durability? - Junkyard. I swapped the Airlocker'd front & rear ends off a 3.7 6-spd and onto my CRD. I recall that the front drive-shaft was original to the CRD, but after 4 years could be wrong. Anyway, plenty of dead 3.7 4x4's so I'll measure the dead shaft and compare lengths. If folks have had success with the rebuild kits, I'll probably install a yard axle to restore 4wd asap (if fittable) and then rebuild the old one as a backup lifesaving device. And then NOT go TOO FAR solo off the beaten path. Gotta' say, though: it was a magnificent moonlit night to march, live or die in the high-desert back-country mountains! The next morning, I was fuming to one of the ranch hands how furious I was at myself for making so many reckless decisions. After I finished ranting, in that way completely unique to Nevadan country folk, he said, "Yeah, but until the axle went you were having fun, weren't ya'?" Yup, of the highest order. Excellent place to die. Guess just not the time for it. Keys: Liberty CRD broke broken damaged failed front-axle front axel drivetrain noise no front traction no 4wd no 4x4 stupid gringo sasquatch not food, kitty... |
Author: | WWDiesel [ Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
Back in 2013 when I first purchased my Jeep CRD, I replaced both front driveshaft CV joints with new ones using kits from Detroit Axle. One of them was worn out had a busted boot and was loose. Kits came with new CV joints, boots, bolts, grease, etc... https://www.detroitaxle.com/ They are both still in service today. 40k+ miles Another good place to purchase driveline parts:> https://www.driveshaftparts.com/ There are a some other options available, some are quite costly. ![]() Complete driveshaft assembly OEM part number: 52111593AB |
Author: | Jay ne Ohio [ Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
I tried one of the $30 repair kits in 2018. It started making noise at 1 year. It lasted 2 years. I then installed an aftermarket complete shaft from https://www.driveshaftparts.com/index.p ... DSJ910L%09 It was $84 at the time. I see it is now $101. No problems so far, but it has only been a year. |
Author: | Jay ne Ohio [ Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
Gypsy, Very nice! Great write up and pictures. But I must inform you that your new shaft is also called a CV (constant velocity), but is a MUCH heavier duty version. The double U-joint on the one end is what makes it a CV. A conventional driveshaft would only have one U-joint on each end. A conventional driveshaft can only be used when both input and output shafts are in parallel with each other. When they are not in parallel, you get the speed up, slow down with every revolution and this causes major vibration. The CV joint eliminates this problem. The heavy duty CV joint that you pictured should last forever in this application and I would highly recommend it for lifted Libertys. |
Author: | WWDiesel [ Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
Tom Woods web site does not list any driveshafts for the Jeep Liberty KJ ![]() Did they quit building them or was it a special order only? https://4xshaft.com/search?q=jeep+kj Search results 0 matches for jeep KJ |
Author: | Gypsy62 [ Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
Can't speak for Tom Woods drivelines. Interesting that 2 u-joints = CV. Keep knowledge coming! However, at the moment I'm not precisely thrilled with Driveline Specialists. I wrassled like hell to remove the stock yoke/flange/pinyons. When I went to install the swank custom replacement yokes, the OD of the splines weren't even close. Obviously, this presented a completely unusable oil seal scenario ![]() I called them and they said that there are EIGHT different yokes for a 2005 Liberty (!?). Only solution, to double-back 150 miles to Sparks to have them confirm with vehicle onsite. What bothers me: a well-established driveline shop should know, and have warned me, that the supplied yokes may be incorrect. At least I would have proceeded with the swap locally to confirm fit. Also, they wanted $200 for the install: now that everything is loose it will be cake to pull (thanks to my futile hours of ol'-sore-man labor), I'm curious if/how they step-up after leaving me screwed and sore, so to speak. Tomorrow will tell... EDIT: Turns out that "Ol Man Sore" was actually early covid symptoms. Fairly certain infected by unmasked youngsters who helped me recover the jeep from backcountry. They surely meant well; Trade-offs... |
Author: | Gypsy62 [ Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
So, Driveline Services [@ Sparks, NV.] charged me $300 total for: - swapping in the correct yoke (Dana 35, not 30), - installing the front shaft, including replacing one oil seal, - replacing 2 rear-shaft U-joints, - welding a screw onto jammed/stripped tcase fill-plug, removing & replacing with new. I'm okay with that. Obviously, not thrilled that they gave no heads-up that the new yokes may not match the stock, leaving me screwed after hours of labor, but I suppose the $300 reflects a modicum of contrition. That, and the fact that this geezer-body is sore as hell and gladly forked-out $300 NOT to have to go back under the jeep, lol. Seems to drive fine, but haven't shifted into 4x yet... EDIT- All other 4x4 systems seem to function okay; L/R 1/2-shafts, diff and tcase. Evidently, only failure was front driveshaft. Given that shaft-shops' prices for a custom upgrade (utilizing 3 standard u-joints) compete with the cost of the vastly inferior stock-style replacement front shaft, if it takes a dump (and you can afford the $500-600) the upgrade seems like a no-brainer. Regardless what shop you choose, in order to fab a custom front-shaft, after removing the front-shaft a shaft-shop will need the precise measurement between the centers of the diff & tcase yokes. They will also need the O.D. (Outside Diameter) of your yoke-shafts so the shop can supply correct-spec replacements (and new compatible oil seals). A few take-aways: MAINTAIN YOUR DRIVELINE! They have grease fittings for a reason. When you change oil, take a few more minutes to gun some fresh grease into the yokes & shaft-splines etc. Maybe some savant can pipe-in with the official maintenance spec. The shaft shop did emphasize that the fitting located on the shaft spline only requires light greasing, as excessive pressure can blow the plug located inside the shaft's end-flange. Also, Goodrich TA's were essentially useless in wet snow (rwd-only); they looked like snowmen! I think some tread-designer let their 7 year-old doodle the pattern; no through-channels at all. One didn't survive the pounding, giving me an excuse to mount Duratracs. |
Author: | spoon [ Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
Is there any way to make this a sticky? If folks that have done drive shaft repairs would tell us about it with shops and part numbers I think this would be useful. I'm looking at a front drive shaft repair and I think I will go the Double Cardon route. |
Author: | WWDiesel [ Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
spoon wrote: Is there any way to make this a sticky? If folks that have done drive shaft repairs would tell us about it with shops and part numbers I think this would be useful. I'm looking at a front drive shaft repair and I think I will go the Double Cardon route. Personally I think that may be an overkill and a waste of money for some. Simply replacing the CV joints/boots on both ends of the front driveshaft from a vendor like DetroitAxle.com or DriveshaftParts.com is more than sufficient for all but a hard core offroader. I replaced both my front driveshaft CV Joints & boots back in 2013 with new ones from Detroit Axle and I checked both of them tonight and they are still in excellent shape, no discernible excess play or movement and boots are still in great shape. ![]() |
Author: | spoon [ Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Front drive-shaft failed. Options? |
I will look at that. I am an overkill kind of guy though. My 2000 Grand Cherokee has the double cardon on the transfer case end, thats what started me thinking in that direction. |
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