Old Navy.
So there's three things covered for 8/80 cat, ECU and OBDII right? And on the rest of the clap trap we're stuck. I wonder if there's a hungry class action lawyer driving a CRD somewhere
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| Author: | richardkf [ Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | EGR Covered under 7/70 Powertrain or Not |
Any Jeep dealers reading along? So, after the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper ends, are EGR's covered under 7/70 powertrain wty or not? Anyone on this site have an EGR failure outside of the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper and have to pay for the new one or did it fall within the 7/70? |
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| Author: | RFCRD [ Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGR Covered under 7/70 Powertrain or Not |
richardkf wrote: Any Jeep dealers reading along? So, after the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper ends, are EGR's covered under 7/70 powertrain wty or not?
Anyone on this site have an EGR failure outside of the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper and have to pay for the new one or did it fall within the 7/70? There was a failure posted @ a month ago, not covered under warranty after 36K. EGR failure is itemized in the warranty book as not covered. Throttle body failure associated with the EGR is a ???? |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGR Covered under 7/70 Powertrain or Not |
RFCRD wrote: richardkf wrote: Any Jeep dealers reading along? So, after the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper ends, are EGR's covered under 7/70 powertrain wty or not? Anyone on this site have an EGR failure outside of the 3/36 bumper-to-bumper and have to pay for the new one or did it fall within the 7/70? There was a failure posted @ a month ago, not covered under warranty after 36K. EGR failure is itemized in the warranty book as not covered. Throttle body failure associated with the EGR is a ???? The Design and Defect Warranty covers repair of emission related parts which become defective during the warranty period. The Design and Defect warranty for model year 1995 and newer light-duty cars and trucks is outlined below: Design and Defect Warranty Coverage for 1995 and newer light-duty vehicles: Emission control and emission related parts are covered for the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use; and Specified major emission control components are covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use. According to federal law, an emission control or emission related part, or a specified major emission control component, that fails because of a defect in materials or workmanship, must be repaired or replaced by the vehicle manufacturer free of charge as long as the vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileage limitations for the failed part. Design and Defect Warranty coverage may vary depending on the type of vehicle you have (e.g., heavy-duty trucks, motorcycles or recreational vehicles have different time and mileage requirements). To determine the length of warranty coverage that applies to your vehicle, look for the emissions warranty information in your owner's manual or warranty booklet. If you own a California vehicle, you may be entitled to additional warranty coverage. The owner's manual or warranty booklet will also provide you with guidance on the procedures for obtaining warranty coverage. If you have questions about the emissions warranties on your vehicle or need help in filing a warranty claim, contact your local car dealer or the manufacturer's zone or regional representative listed in your owner's manual or warranty booklet. What Emission Control and Emission Related Parts Are Covered by The Design and Defect Warranty? An emission control part is any part installed with the primary purpose of controlling emissions. An emission related part is any part that has an effect on emissions. Listed below are some examples of parts or systems which fall under these definitions. A more complete list can be found in your owner's manual/warranty booklet. If any of the parts listed below fail to function or function improperly because of a defect in materials or workmanship, causing your vehicle to exceed federal emission standards, they should be repaired or replaced under the emissions warranty if your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has been driven less than 24,000 miles. One manufacturer may use more parts than another, so the following list is not complete for all vehicles. EMISSION CONTROL PARTS Exhaust Gas Conversion Systems: oxygen sensor, thermal reactor, catalytic converter, dual-walled exhaust pipe Exhaust Gas Recirculation System: EGR valve, thermal vacuum switch, EGR solenoid, EGR spacer plate, EGR backpressure transducer, sensor and switches used to control EGR flow Evaporative Emission Control System: purge valve, fuel filler cap, purge solenoid, vapor storage canister, and filter Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) System: PCV valve, PCV solenoid Air Injection System: Air pump diverter, bypass, or gulp valve, reed valve, anti-backfire or deceleration valve Early Fuel Evaporative (EFE) System: EFE valve, thermal vacuum switch, heat riser valve Fuel Metering System: electronic control module (unit) or EFI air flow meter, computer command module or mixture control unit, deceleration controls, electronic choke, fuel injectors, fuel injection units and fuel altitude compensator sensor, bars or rails for EFI or TBI systems, mixture settings on sealed fuel mixture control solenoid, diaphragm or other systems, fuel metering components that achieve closed/other feedback control sensors/loop operation switches and valves Air Induction System: thermostatically controlled air cleaner, air box Ignition Systems: electronic spark advance timing advance/retard systems, high energy electronic ignition Miscellaneous Parts: hoses, gaskets, brackets, clamps, and other accessories used in the above systems EMISSION RELATED PARTS These are examples of other parts of your vehicle which have a primary purpose other than emissions control but which nevertheless have significant effects on your vehicle's emissions. If any of these parts fail to function or function improperly, your vehicle's emissions may exceed federal standards. Therefore, when any of the parts of the following systems are defective in materials or workmanship and have failed in a way that would be likely to cause your vehicle's emissions to exceed federal standards, they should be repaired or replaced under the emissions warranty: Fuel Injection System: fuel distributor Air Induction System: turbocharger, intake manifold Exhaust System: exhaust manifold Ignition System: distributor, spark plugs, ignition wires and coil Miscellaneous Parts: hoses, gaskets, brackets, clamps, and other accessories used in the above systems. What Are Specified Major Emission Control Components? There are three specified major emission control components, covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use on 1995 and newer vehicles: Catalytic converters. The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU). The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD). Catalytic converters are critical emission control components that have been installed on most cars and trucks manufactured since 1975. Since engines don't burn fuel completely during the combustion process, the exhaust contains a significant amount of harmful pollutants such as carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, and oxides of nitrogen. The catalytic converter aids the conversion of these pollutants to less harmful substances such as carbon dioxide, water vapor, nitrogen, and oxygen before the exhaust is expelled into the environment. The electronic emissions control unit or computer monitors certain powertrain functions and controls various operating parameters to help the vehicle run efficiently and with the lowest possible emissions. Ignition, transmission function, air injection, exhaust gas recirculation (EGR), engine operating temperature and fuel system parameters are some of the systems monitored and/or controlled by the electronic emissions control unit. The onboard emissions diagnostic device monitors the operation of a vehicle's emission control system and alerts the driver with a dashboard light when malfunctions occur. The system will record where the problem is occurring and assist automotive technicians in diagnosing and repairing emission control malfunctions. Since some emission control malfunctions do not have an adverse effect on vehicle performance, they can go undetected by the driver for quite some time. The onboard diagnostic device will help catch malfunctions early, preventing a significant output of harmful exhaust emissions from your vehicle, and possibly in time to be covered by the emissions control warranty. Often this "device" is part of the electronic control unit mentioned above. In the future, there may be other parts or components that qualify for this coverage. Check your owner's manual or warranty book for possible additional coverage. How Long Do the Emissions Warranties Apply to Individual Parts of My Vehicle? For 1995 and newer model year vehicles, emission control and emission related parts are warranted for the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use. Specified major emission-control components are warranted for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use. Parts with a stated replacement interval, such as, "replace at 15,000 miles or 12 months," are warranted up to the first replacement point only. So as you can see the 3/36 is the limit on the EGR, unless DOT decides that D/C has installed inferior EGR and issues a requirement for recall/refund. |
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| Author: | Joe Romas [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:46 pm ] |
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Old Navy. So there's three things covered for 8/80 cat, ECU and OBDII right? And on the rest of the clap trap we're stuck. I wonder if there's a hungry class action lawyer driving a CRD somewhere
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:55 pm ] |
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Joe Romas wrote: Old Navy. You got it dude, we be stuck.
So there's three things covered for 8/80 cat, ECU and OBDII right? And on the rest of the clap trap we're stuck. I wonder if there's a hungry class action lawyer driving a CRD somewhere As far as CA lawyers go, this has been on the books for years and has always been sucessfully defended more then once. |
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| Author: | Goglio704 [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:50 am ] |
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Some of the extended warranties cover the EGR longer don't they? |
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| Author: | RFCRD [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:01 am ] |
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Goglio704 wrote: Some of the extended warranties cover the EGR longer don't they?
My extended warranty itemizes the EGR as covered. |
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| Author: | Goglio704 [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:44 am ] |
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Two EGR related thoughts: Would the new particulate traps for diesel exhaust help the EGR valve if it were placed ahead of the EGR so the EGR got cleaner stuff to work with? It would need to be downsized and I doubt it would be anything you'd do as a retrofit, but in a clean slate application it seems like it would help. Doesn't the EGR pick up its exhaust gas from the exhaust manifold ahead of the turbo? If it were replumbed to draw filtered fresh air instead, I wonder if the computer would know the difference? |
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| Author: | RFCRD [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:03 am ] |
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Goglio704 wrote: If it were replumbed to draw filtered fresh air instead, I wonder if the computer would know the difference?
Been wondering the same thing. Maybe "T" a small line off of the CAC hose (turbo to the intercooler) and feed it a fresh, charged air instead of soot??? Wonder if the flow sensor is looking for high heat or just flow? |
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| Author: | Goglio704 [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:06 am ] |
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RFCRD wrote: Goglio704 wrote: If it were replumbed to draw filtered fresh air instead, I wonder if the computer would know the difference? Been wondering the same thing. Maybe "T" a small line off of the CAC hose (turbo to the intercooler) and feed it a fresh, charged air instead of soot??? Wonder if the flow sensor is looking for high heat or just flow? Pre intercooler should be kinda hot anyway and the air goes through the "cooled EGR." I would think that would moderate the temperature. |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:16 am ] |
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I think the question is mute as ULSD will probably have the same effect here as in Europe. They have alnmost no EGR problems or other soot related problems from their fuel which averages probably averages 50 ppm with cetane being average about 55 overall. I seem to remember Sweden being the lowest sulfur and highest cetane in Europe. |
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| Author: | Goglio704 [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:19 am ] |
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oldnavy wrote: I think the question is mute as ULSD will probably have the same effect here as in Europe. They have alnmost no EGR problems or other soot related problems from their fuel which averages probably averages 50 ppm with cetane being average about 55 overall. I seem to remember Sweden being the lowest sulfur and highest cetane in Europe.
That certainly is the hope, but I'm afraid we're running a lot more EGR than they are. A year from now it should be clear whether fuel is going to fix this or not. |
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| Author: | RFCRD [ Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:21 am ] |
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Goglio704 wrote: RFCRD wrote: Goglio704 wrote: If it were replumbed to draw filtered fresh air instead, I wonder if the computer would know the difference? Been wondering the same thing. Maybe "T" a small line off of the CAC hose (turbo to the intercooler) and feed it a fresh, charged air instead of soot??? Wonder if the flow sensor is looking for high heat or just flow? Pre intercooler should be kinda hot anyway and the air goes through the "cooled EGR." I would think that would moderate the temperature. It also has to overcome the boost pressure inside the throttle body to flow. You would loose some CAC efficiency but at least the soot would go away. BTW, it's doubtful that current technology will produce a dependable EGR valve. The soot it just too gritty/abrasive and hot (and oily in the CRD) to work very long. Best bet is to reduce the soot as much as possible (ULSD, biodiesel and higher cetane) and hope for the best. |
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| Author: | panda-52 [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Best price on an EGR valve? |
Anyone know where the best deal for an EGR valve can be found? It seems that the DC dealers parts prices are all over the map, or should I say as high as they can get away with. My CRD is in the shop today for an EGR control valve. It's on the 4th EGR valve and at 33,000 miles the odds that they have finally fixed this problem are pretty low. I expect to need a new EGR valve or two sometime in the future. Probably like a lot of other CRD owners I'm facing a decision about whether to dump the vehicle when the warranty expires. I had expected the 7/70 to cover engine related components like the EGR valve but it now is apparent that it won't. So one possible solution is to buy the EGR and replace it myself. Thanks |
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| Author: | off2gofishing [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:43 am ] |
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Well here in New Mexico - I spent $539 parts/labor for the EGR 'assembly' then another $500 parts/labor for the valve itself. |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:04 am ] |
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off2gofishing wrote: Well here in New Mexico - I spent $539 parts/labor for the EGR 'assembly' then another $500 parts/labor for the valve itself. Did anyone kiss ypu behind the ear???  
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| Author: | doug allen [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:44 am ] |
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The EGR on my 05 went TU at 41K mi. I do have the extended warranty and it was replaced at $0 charge. FWIW. D |
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| Author: | skywarn [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:48 am ] |
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mine was shot at 50K and was replaced under the 7/70 (which also included a free rental car) 
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:58 am ] |
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skywarn wrote: mine was shot at 50K and was replaced under the 7/70 (which also included a free rental car) The dealer will get that one back from D/C unless they got D/C to warranty it under customer good will, as the EGR is only covered for 3/36 by D/C and only required to be covered for 2/24 under US government warranty guide lines for emissions controls.
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| Author: | panda-52 [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:40 am ] |
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WOW - do you mean $1039 total for replacing the EGR? If this is a typical figure then any of the after sale extended warranties look like a bargain even with the $100 deductible. I usually avoid the extended warranties but with the cost/failure rate of the EGR the extended warranty may be a way to finance the purchase of EGR valves. |
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