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Anyone else add back up lamps?


Below is from the orginal questioning thread when we were planning the lights. I thought John's install was a cool option for those with out racks.

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Below are several photos of my rear lighting system and a closeup of how I mounted it to the rear glass hinge covers. Basically what I did was to use a piece of sheet metal cut to the shape of the inside of the hinge cover as a backing and strengthening plate for the mounting bolt for the light. I also drilled a hole through the hinge cover, through the sheet metal and through part of the hinge to secure the rear lights. The plastic covers just snap/pry off. The lights are controlled by a single panel switch which activates a 30 amp relay to turn on the lights. They are connected to an auxiliary circuit panel by 14-gauge stranded wire with a 15 amp fuse for the lighting circuit.

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This was a great write up and would be neat to see more added to this thread.
I was thinking of putting a set of these in a fog pattern under my bumper.


I would stay away from mounting anything below the bumper if you take the KJ off road, its just begging to get ripped off unknowingly.

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With regard to the wiring; I used two relays in parallel and a feed spliced into the stock backup lights to power one of the relays when the Jeep is put in reverse.

The other relay is connected to a switch and turns them on when the switch is thrown.

With the relays in parallel with the power supply for the lights (but two different sources powering the two relays) the backup lights will light when either relay is activated by either the backup lights coming on or the switch being thrown. Basically, they way I did it , it behaves as two separate relay switched circuits. One is operated by a toggle and the other is operated when you put your Jeep in reverse - they just happen to turn on the same thing.

My splice was done on the wiring harness near the rear passenger side backup light. The wire bundle can be accessed behind the passenger side plastic panel in the cargo area. I just used a multi-meter to ID the correct wire that had power when the vehicle was in reverse and the backup light was the only one lit. This is where I spliced in the wire to power the relay. The drain from the relay is minimal and should not affect anything else.

No diode needed or worry about power going the wrong way...or a diode breaking down at wrong time... ;')

Also it won't matter if you put the vehicle in reverse when the switch is thrown as it will just complete the power to the lights circuit in two places.

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I went back and reread my original post in my Mods thread and realized it was not very clear. I have updated it to reflect this post.

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It's nice to see different solutions to the same "problem", there is no 1 way to do it!
Thanks to both of you for the posts! :D


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the way your lights are hooked up
the switch can disable the extra backup lights even when the jeep is in reverse?

unless it is only a 2 position switch then it's on or on with reverse

DId you use a 2 position or 3 position switch?

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No, the way it is set up the switch will not disable them when you put the vehicle in reverse. In order to do that you would need a seperate switch somewhere in line with the relay that feeds off of the backup light - probably from the feed/splice from the backup light itself. So you could place a second switch on the panel next to the first one or use a 2 position switch as you suggested.

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You can save a relay if you use this it works the same I used a single pole double throw sw with a safety cover
mounted next to the power outlet in the rear cargo area that way Im not tempted to flash tailgaters at night and geta cop instead.
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XC204 wrote:
...that way Im not tempted to flash tailgaters at night ...


Why would you want to remove that option? :twisted:

I need to be able to turn mine on while driving for the shelf roads in the mountains...and therefore need the switch/relay up front.

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Just more convenient for me camping and setting up my trailer im in the back more than the front.

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flyingwen wrote:
I would stay away from mounting anything below the bumper if you take the KJ off road, its just begging to get ripped off unknowingly.
Well I came back to this too late, I really like what John did so if/when my Hella Fogs get smashed I may do that but for now they are here and for 29.95 shipped I shoulda done it a long time ago, can actually see back there at night now.

I pulled the funky lens "O" ring and sealed with silicone cuz they looked like moisture was getting in there, all better now.
For power to the relay I pulled from the rear accessory socket harness and they trip with the reverse lights.
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Like mine just where thet are , :D

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Very nicely done!!!


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Why can't I save your pics?


Here ya go... I printed it as a PDF for ya.

http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/ExPo/K ... Lights.pdf



How did you make that PDF so you can save it?


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Just wondering if you had any blue prints for the "sub frame"? If I had the measurements I would have one made tommorow! Please help!!! :cry: :cry:

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riptricket wrote:
My back-up lights went here...
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Where did you get your LED's?? They look great!!

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i bought mine from amazon.com... called ipcw
this link...http://www.ipcw.com/ will lead you right to their site and you can look at the choices they have for our jeep.
the third brake light is usually $10-20 on e-bay just to forewarn you.


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led 3rd brake light come with a new gasket?

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no gasket needed... it seals the back there, don't worry. no leaks in mine and have been in many a rain storm.


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Thought I'd throw up some pics of another install... similar to Koogelooger.... :mrgreen:
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Just wondering if you had any blue prints for the "sub frame"? If I had the measurements I would have one made tommorow! Please help!!! :cry: :cry:
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My back-up lights went here...
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Could you do a wright up on them they look like what i want to do . .... Great looking tails and break lights

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