LOST JEEPS :: View topic - Real HID conversion

HIDs might be illegal to retrofit in your own car, but I doubt you will ever get a ticket for them. Not to mention a cop will have no idea if HID's were an option on a jeep. If I get asked about them I will tell them they are stock. HID's are a cleaner light, which gives the impression of being too bright. they are MUCH safer than normal bulbs becasue the light reflects better off the road lines.

I know of a kid that has a honda civic with lexus is300 headlights molded in the front, with the stock HID's installed. Now, is this illegal? it is the original DOT approved headlights, just not on the correct car?!

Did you know, stickers on the back window are illegal, an air freshener hanging from the rear view is illegal.. and these things I bet 90% of you have. Also open container, does not mean a beer! A guy at work got one for a soda. He was caught swerving around a bit, and the cop suspected DWI... the guy did give the cop a hard time (main reason for the ticket) and the cop gave him open container.

I have gotten pulled over and was told my shaved door handles were illegal becasue if the cop had to force his way into my car he couldnt. My license plate in the tailgate is frenched in crooked, he said that was illegal becasue it was not parrell to the ground and made it hardeer to read. My front plate was too low to the ground. I even got a headlight too low to the gorund, I measered mine and measured a Vette in a packing lot and his was 3 inches lower than mine! My friend has a mustang with a 4 inch cowl hood to clear the intake and carbs, he even got a ticket for that becasue it was in the way of the drivers view. Now all of these were beat in court by acting with respect to the judge and using a little common sense.

The bottom line is this, dont drive like a retard, and you wont get pulled over. If you build something that looks very different, you WILL get hasseled for it. thats just the way it is.

Author:	kkkustom [ Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:26 pm ]
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Installed a 9007 8000K HID conversion. 1 hour later this is what you get.

Author:	auggy [ Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:51 pm ]
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Red x

Author:	carroll952 [ Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:58 pm ]
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Right click and choose "view image" Justin

Author:	auggy [ Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:00 pm ]
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That doesn't come up but if I just go to the url of the image it works. What did you do, just change the bulbs? It looks awesome.

Author:	raceinfan [ Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:29 pm ]
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CAN'T GET THE PICTURE UP NO MATTER WHAT i DO .not computer savvy L.O.S.T. 4 LIFE 04 COLUMBIA ED. & 04 SPORT

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Author:	dirtykj [ Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:50 pm ]
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If you had "wget", you could just use: wget http://image53.webshots.com/153/7/5/79/ ... GNH_ph.jpg It looks like the website is doing some sort of referer check. The best thing to do is to use FireFox (it's a better browser anyway), and do the following: (1) right-click on the image, select "Copy image location" (2) open a new tab (Control T) (3) paste in the URL in this new tab, press enter Doing so fetches the image directly from the website, without giving referrer info, and imageshack has no choice but to give you the picture, without denying access to it. <b>Updated</b> nevermind the previous update I'm going through my own squid proxy and the server denies HTTP GET from the proxy. Weird. The above instruction should work assuming you don't go through some proxy.

Author:	Sapien [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:38 am ]
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looks good, do you notice a big difference in visibility? How much did it drain your bank account?

Author:	Liberator84 [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:08 am ]
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This should work for everyone. http://image52.webshots.com/52/7/7/47/467770747dhASLv_ph.jpg http://image53.webshots.com/153/7/5/79/467770579INHGNH_ph.jpg Looks great BTW. I have the same ones. I love the blue look especially (?SP) with the blue liberty! ~JUD

Author:	kkkustom [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:43 am ]
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I dont know whats up with the pics... I previewed it before i submited and it worked fine? http://image53.webshots.com/153/7/5/79/ ... GNH_ph.jpg copy past this iinto the address fiedl on IE and hit enter, that should work. anyway, the kit only cost 150$, used... but the kit goes for $399 new on ebay. includes ballest/starter bulbs and wireing. Splice the low beam and ground from existing 9007 bulb clip and connect to the red and black in the ballest. plug in the bulb. mount the ballest some where nice and clean too. it is INSAINE how much better the beam is. seriously it lights up 4 times farther than my uncles stock TJ parked right next to it. much cleaner light, reflects 100x better off the lines in the road, and just looks like a much more expensive truck! WELL worth the money even if I were to pay $400 for it...

Author:	auggy [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:33 pm ]
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Link to the kit?

Author:	milou_1968 [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:15 pm ]
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Hello Nice pictures, I did my fog light convertion with the HID (5000k because they are the one with the most output). I want to do my head light and they have now the convertion with low and high beam. My only hesitation is that the after market HID are not legal for street use and i wonder if you had any trouble yet with on coming cars or polic officer.... I love the power they have. Can you take a picture of the beam patern on the road? http://www.xenondepot.com/product.php?product_id=37 http://www.brightheadlightshid.com/ http://www.xenonvalot.com/tuotteet_eng.html http://www.deltatechindustries.com/

Author:	kkkustom [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:39 pm ]
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HIDs might be illegal to retrofit in your own car, but I doubt you will ever get a ticket for them. Not to mention a cop will have no idea if HID's were an option on a jeep. If I get asked about them I will tell them they are stock. HID's are a cleaner light, which gives the impression of being too bright. they are MUCH safer than normal bulbs becasue the light reflects better off the road lines. I know of a kid that has a honda civic with lexus is300 headlights molded in the front, with the stock HID's installed. Now, is this illegal? it is the original DOT approved headlights, just not on the correct car?! Did you know, stickers on the back window are illegal, an air freshener hanging from the rear view is illegal.. and these things I bet 90% of you have. Also open container, does not mean a beer! A guy at work got one for a soda. He was caught swerving around a bit, and the cop suspected DWI... the guy did give the cop a hard time (main reason for the ticket) and the cop gave him open container. I have gotten pulled over and was told my shaved door handles were illegal becasue if the cop had to force his way into my car he couldnt. My license plate in the tailgate is frenched in crooked, he said that was illegal becasue it was not parrell to the ground and made it hardeer to read. My front plate was too low to the ground. I even got a headlight too low to the gorund, I measered mine and measured a Vette in a packing lot and his was 3 inches lower than mine! My friend has a mustang with a 4 inch cowl hood to clear the intake and carbs, he even got a ticket for that becasue it was in the way of the drivers view. Now all of these were beat in court by acting with respect to the judge and using a little common sense. The bottom line is this, dont drive like a retard, and you wont get pulled over. If you build something that looks very different, you WILL get hasseled for it. thats just the way it is.

Author:	MikeD0106 [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:45 pm ]
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kkkustom wrote: HIDs might be illegal to retrofit in your own car, but I doubt you will ever get a ticket for them. Not to mention a cop will have no idea if HID's were an option on a jeep. If I get asked about them I will tell them they are stock. HID's are a cleaner light, which gives the impression of being too bright. they are MUCH safer than normal bulbs becasue the light reflects better off the road lines. I know of a kid that has a honda civic with lexus is300 headlights molded in the front, with the stock HID's installed. Now, is this illegal? it is the original DOT approved headlights, just not on the correct car?! Did you know, stickers on the back window are illegal, an air freshener hanging from the rear view is illegal.. and these things I bet 90% of you have. Also open container, does not mean a beer! A guy at work got one for a soda. He was caught swerving around a bit, and the cop suspected DWI... the guy did give the cop a hard time (main reason for the ticket) and the cop gave him open container. I have gotten pulled over and was told my shaved door handles were illegal becasue if the cop had to force his way into my car he couldnt. My license plate in the tailgate is frenched in crooked, he said that was illegal becasue it was not parrell to the ground and made it hardeer to read. My front plate was too low to the ground. I even got a headlight too low to the gorund, I measered mine and measured a Vette in a packing lot and his was 3 inches lower than mine! My friend has a mustang with a 4 inch cowl hood to clear the intake and carbs, he even got a ticket for that becasue it was in the way of the drivers view. Now all of these were beat in court by acting with respect to the judge and using a little common sense. The bottom line is this, dont drive like a retard, and you wont get pulled over. If you build something that looks very different, you WILL get hasseled for it. thats just the way it is. I don't know about where you are located, but I know that HID conversion kits are legal here in AZ. Where you get into the illegal part is when the owner of the car went the cheap route and bought a "blue" bulb (that is not designed for use on the street because it is actually a blue light and doesn't see nearly as far as stock halogens) instead of the actual HID's or HID conversion kit. Believe me... You can tell the difference if you've seen them. As far as the open container... You might want to check your local laws. In Arizona Revised Statutes 4-251 it states this: 4-251. Spirituous liquor in motor vehicles; prohibitions; violation; classification; exceptions; definitions A. It is unlawful for any person to: 1. Consume spirituous liquor while operating or while within the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle that is located on any public highway or right-of-way of a public highway in this state. 2. Possess an open container of spirituous liquor within the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle that is located on any public highway or right-of-way of a public highway in this state. "Motor vehicle" means any vehicle that is driven or drawn by mechanical power and that is designed primarily for use on public highways. Motor vehicle does not include a vehicle operated exclusively on rails. "Open container" means any bottle, can, jar or other receptacle that contains spirituous liquor and that has been opened, has had its seal broken or the contents of which have been partially removed. Here is the link if you want to read it for yourself, cause I just cut out the important parts: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/4/00251.htm The headlight thing... Well again here is AZ's laws on that: (28-941) 28-941. Multiple beam road lighting equipment arrangement 1. There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least three hundred fifty feet ahead for all conditions of loading. 2. There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least one hundred feet ahead, and under any condition of loading, none of the high intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver. 4. A person shall not operate a motor vehicle with a colored transparent or translucent substance or material installed, affixed or applied on or in front of the head lamps, the auxiliary driving lamp or the auxiliary passing lamp or combinations of the head lamps, driving lamp or passing lamp that would obstruct, reduce or interfere with the visibility or effectiveness of the head lamps or that would change the color of light emitted. This paragraph does not prohibit the placement of clear transparent material mounted in front of the head lamps, fog lamps or auxiliary driving lamps. http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/00941.htm As far as the things hanging from the rear view mirror and stickers on the back window... As long as they do not obstruct the drivers view and your vehicle meets certain standards then they are not a problem. Here it is for that one: (28-959.01) http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/00959-01.htm In the end, I agree with you and that if you don't drive like a moron then you don't have much to worry about. However, in the west valley of AZ (West Phoenix, Avondale, Goodyear, Glendale, Tolleson, Buckeye, El Mirage, Surprise, and Peoria) custom vehicles are abundant in all shapes and sizes. They are not harassed or hassled provided they have the necessary equipment to operate their vehicle safely on the road. Many tickets have been written to owners of trucks that have such huge lift kits that they need to have various equipment mods before they are considered street legal. Many of them don't do that because they just don't know about the law. Now they know, have hopefully made the necessary changes, and life is good. They can then go to the judge say they weren't aware of the law and made the needed changes to correct the problem. Then usually the judge will either dismiss the case or lower the fine. My suggestion would be that if you are pulled over by a police officer... DON'T ARGUE!!! If you argue then it just makes things worse. If you argue then obviously talking to you about the problem is not sufficient and a ticket will probably be issued to get the point across. I work for a police department (in AZ if you haven't guessed) and can tell you that my job is not to write a bunch of tickets or meet a "quota". If you are pulled over and told that you are violating some part of the traffic law then nicely ask the officer how to correct the problem so that this doesn't happen again. If I were to write a ticket for something then I would be able to explain why it is considered a problem (according to AZ's traffic law) and the easiest way(s) to correct the problem. If I can't explain it then I wouldn't write it. Sometimes it is just as simple as turning off the little lights on the top of your hood that replace the windshield wiper fluid sprayers while you are on the street. They are not meant for the road and are not by any means D.O.T. legal. Sorry for my rant, but I just didn't want people to think that all cops are jerks. Also I wouldn't want people to think that the laws in your state (guessing CA) apply everywhere. BTW, I like the lights. HID's are much better than the stock halogens.

Author:	hillcountrykj [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:10 pm ]
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Quote: I know of a kid that has a honda civic with lexus is300 headlights molded in the front, with the stock HID's installed. Now, is this illegal? it is the original DOT approved headlights, just not on the correct car?! I think they are legal as long as they have DOT approved on them. If they don't have DOT on them then they are intended for off road use only.

Author:	SethX9 [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:43 pm ]
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MikeD0106 forgot to tell everyone that Arizona is also the state where helmets for motorcycle riders is an option, you can carry as many people as can fit in the bed of your pickup truck, and no adult who's not a felon can carry a firearm without any permit as long as it's not concealed. I'm not sayin' those are bad things (quite the opposite actually) I just think it might put Arizona's legal system in perspective in relationship to the rest of the country.

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Author:	MikeD0106 [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:32 am ]
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Actually they still may not be legal. Even if they are DOT approved they still may not be DOT/SAE compliant for street use. If you think it is then it must have the SAE stamp on it. Of course the place you would buy the lights from won't tell you that (even if you ask, cause I've tried). I'm not sure if that's because they don't know or don't want to lose the sale, but they just say it is DOT approved. All lighting on your vehicle must meet all federal and state laws in order to use it on the street. Bottom line... if you have it then save it for the car shows or when you are parked. Don't use it on the street.

Author:	kkkustom [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:06 pm ]
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"Sometimes it is just as simple as turning off the little lights on the top of your hood that replace the windshield wiper fluid sprayers while you are on the street." I just want to clear this up... I NEVER INSTALLED THOSE DUMB THINGS ON ANY OF MY TRUCKS! lol just kidding. I know you were jokeing! anyway... I dont have problems with cops, in fact I know alot of them personally. I never argue with a cop. and if I end up geting a ticket I take care of it my self at court and respect the judge and I get it taken care of. I do have this question... is it true that if you get pulled over, and the officer runs the plate they must issue you a ticket for something? I was told that if they pull you over thay must have had a reason to.

Author:	auggy [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:04 pm ]
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They do have to have a reason to pull you over, however they do not have to give you a ticket. I got pulled over doing 50 in a 25 zone ( backroad that I was sure was a 45 speed limit .. my mistake ) .. and the cop gave me a warning.

Author:	MikeD0106 [ Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:55 pm ]
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kkkustom wrote: "Sometimes it is just as simple as turning off the little lights on the top of your hood that replace the windshield wiper fluid sprayers while you are on the street." I just want to clear this up... I NEVER INSTALLED THOSE DUMB THINGS ON ANY OF MY TRUCKS! lol just kidding. I know you were jokeing! anyway... I do have this question... is it true that if you get pulled over, and the officer runs the plate they must issue you a ticket for something? I was told that if they pull you over thay must have had a reason to. The little lights... I just needed an example and that is one of my pet peaves. I hope you never installed them. I'd find you!!! To answer your question... Even if they run all of your information they do not have to write a ticket. Running your plate is more for safety so that the officer knows he/she is not walking up to a stolen car with armed suspects inside. It's basically up to each individual officer as to whether a ticket, warning, repair order, etc will be issued or not. If they tell you they had to write you a ticket because they ran your plate then remember that and inform the judge when you challenge the ticket.

Author:	Cacher123 [ Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:53 am ]
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Around here we've had a HUGE rash of HIDs stolen from cars and resold. guys were hitting the train stations and overnight parking lots and getting 10-20 in one shot. Evidently on alot of the newer cars these things are just push fitted into retainers, not even bolted in so all it takes is about 30 seconds or less to pop them out and steal them. Coworker had her whole front grill and both lights stolen off her suv in front of her house. When I went out to look at the damage there was none! There was also not a single bolt holding the entire assy, just push in type fasteners. Cost her almost $2k to replace everything with no guarantee it won't happen again. I talked her into buying a brush guard which wraps around the headlights so at least there is something to slow them down. Anyway, my point is, the cops around here will pull over anyone with brighter than normal lighting to check for possible stolen parts. These guys see enough vehicles on a daily basis that they immediately know when lighting is not standard. If you get pulled over you better have an invoice for the HIDs or your lookin for some big trouble! They found one guy who had 12 or 15 pairs in the trunk of his car and of course had a set installed which is why he got pulled over! Evidently, they can also issue a ticket for "non standard lighting" which I guess means anything that didn't come stock. So, word to the wise, if u install these, hold on to the invoice showing the purchase and buy legit.