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 Post subject: Cherokee XJ VM Engine 2.5TD - Intercooler Part
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:50 pm 
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First of all, HELLO TO EVERYBODY!
My name it's John and I am living (for now) in Spain, country of my wife.
Before I was living "based" in Portugal and travelling all over Europe (plus Angola and South America).
We have a CHEROKEE XJ 25TD "60 YEARS SPECIAL EDITION" FROM 01/2001 (Full Extras), now with 250.000 Kms.
I bought it new and I've been the only driver it so far.
A lot of problems in the beginning (1st 6 months, with Chrysler-Jeep Portugal, until I send a letter to USA and present a full claim). After that a very much reliable Jeep, comfortable, low consummations (in my hands, 7,5 Lts/100Kms and less than 9 in the city or off-road) and not an expensive maintenance (well, buying some spareparts in UK or USA).
Calm and safe driving (Scandinavian "style"), In-Road & Off-Road, Ice and Snow, save a lot of money in fuel and spareparts. And protect us from the totally crazy and incompetents portuguese and spanish drivers! Plus too many MILLIONS of Kilometers made with all kind of cars and vans, during 30 years, since Salesman to General Manager in multinational companies (American, Japanese, French and Scandinavian). I saw too much blood and dead people in stupid accidents. Some of them stayed alive once I am a EFR instructor (like PADI and O2 Provider from DAN) and I could help them.

Than... I moved to Spain!
And the nightmare begun.
I will not explain you all the problems, mistakes and "Crimes" the poor Jeep suffered in the hands of the spanish "mechanics". Too long and totally absurd!!!

MY QUESTION:
After the mechanic add to the oil (BP Visco 7000 TD) an addictive (Fortec) to clean the engine, plus another to the diesel fuel (from Fortec too) the Jeep start heating under the Summer temperatures (35 to 40ºC or more).
But that was a consequence!
'Cos the main problem was that the Oil Pressure, always in 4 bars at 2.200 rpm, starts falling to 3.
And even less when under effort (like climbing a mountain road).
Than, in 2 or 3 minutes the temperature raises from the normal 90º to 110º C!!!
Without get hot, the pressure also fall from the normal values (during 11 years). At ralenti to a bit more than 1 bar (it was 2) and in street driving it stays to close to 2 bars (it was 3 or more).
Everything else was Ok!
Power, Fuel Consummation and so on All Normal!
Not consuming a bit of Oil or Cooler Liquid.
The engine it's clean and with no leaks at all.
Injectors were cleaned (but they were Ok) and Engine Pressure totally normal. "Like NEW" the specialist said, surprised with it.
It's a fact that I Respect the characteristics of the VM (marine) Engine.
After ONE YEAR of "experiences" - quite expensive for us - it seems that the mechanic found the problem and solve it.
I'm waiting to have the Jeep back to confirm it.

HOWEVER, he told me after look at the INTERCOOLER that it is OK with the exception of a kind of "EXHAUST VALVE" it has, which function will be release pressure when necessary.
And he cannot find this spare in Chrysler-Jeep (Fiat!) or aftermarket.
I have a photo of it.
(It is NOT the EGR)

First of all I don't know the name of this spare in English, neither in Spanish, Portuguese or French.
DO SOMEONE KNOWS IT'S NAME?
Without it I cannot search for it.
And... Obviously Chrysler-Jeep Spain don't have a clue about. Only selling "Mopar" parts (like if Mopar fabricate/produce one screw!)

Plus and if you know it, CAN YOU HELP ME FIND ONE?
New or Rebuilt that's fine.
It's stupid to spend 400 or 500 euros in a new Intercooler, when everything else it's Ok with it.

In advance I thank you for any support and help you can provide me.
Best Regards
J. Howell

PLEASE forgive me for my mistakes expressing myself in English, one of my natural idioms together with Portuguese. And even in French which I learned when I was 7 years old.
3 years living surrounded by the handicapped Spaniards (the 2nd worst Europeans, right behind the French when it comes to idioms) are paying it's debt, after one entire life in an international and multilingual environment.


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 Post subject: Re: Cherokee XJ VM Engine 2.5TD - Intercooler Part
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:29 am 
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John,

As part number would help, any chance the mechanic know what it is?

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 Post subject: Re: Cherokee XJ VM Engine 2.5TD - Intercooler Part
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:07 am 
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Fil.
That's one of my problems.
The mechanic doesn't know the right name not even in spanish.
Chrysler-Jeep España never ever give any information about PART NUMBERS.
When I changed the front wheel HUBS, it was a fight until I find that they were from TIMKEN and than order them to USA. In Jeep Portugal they ask me for 800.00€ + VAT for EACH!!! Than I bought them by net to USA and payed 225.00USD for BOTH, including transport plus a small amount of taxes in Portugal.
More recently, already in Spain I changed the Oil Pump. It was through an British Web and a very competent person that I discover that it was from Bosch and buy it for half the price that Jeep Spain was asking.
The MOPAR Part Numbers are a kind of State Top Secret. they have their reasons. Especially in the EU, where they charge from 100 to 500% more than in USA.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THIS PART.
I will try to place some photos and maybe someone here can recognize it.
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J.H.

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 Post subject: Re: Cherokee XJ VM Engine 2.5TD - Intercooler Part
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:12 am 
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John,

If you need to look up parts number for your TJ try this link here : http://colorado4wheel.com/manuals/Jeep/XJ/.
It takes a bit to down load but has all the necessary information. Sadly ( I haven't spent a lot of time looking through it) seam it doesn't have the information for the VM TD engines. Having said so, it will give you the part numbers for all the other part you need. Let us know if you identify the part you need andI will try and help you source it here in the UK.

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