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typically just me or one other, very little cargo but i do move some things around from time to time from a ski shop but not enough to merit it being "large cargo" otherwise i wouldnt be looking at jeep wranglers id be looking at pickups

Otto wrote:

Go with the TJ and get a 2" reciever and a Hitch-Haul for those times you need to move extra stuff. The LJ has a nice ride, and nice payload area, but if you don't need it, don't get it. Short wheel base helps with breakover angle too. 6 spd has more power, but some don't like wheeling manuals (like my wife :cry:

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does this look lifted? I kinda think it is when I look at other stock rubis, I might have to make a trip to the springs to find out. (i want somethign totally stock if possible, its nearly impossible to find a manual rubicon that hasnt been modded or not in some awful color)

body lift of this sort consists of new mounts to the frame, correct? I might consider putting back on the stock mounts if thats possible and practical, as this jeep is probably as close as it gets to what im looking for. Would the stock mounts be easy to acquire through mopar or third party and is the job fairly cheap to get someone to do or doable by yourself? still all just a bunch of speculation.

Author:	Otto [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:41 pm ]
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Just looking for opinions, Im on the market for a wrangler.... Im looking at 05-06 rubi's because I want the 6 speed transmission. I want opinion on whether or not to get an unlimited version. What are the comparisons of a short wheelbase to a long wheelbase? Anything from appearance to ride (im not really concerned about ride but still) and off road ability.

Author:	JJsTJ [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:48 pm ]
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Do you need space to haul cargo And passengers? If so, get the unlimited.

Author:	Otto [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:51 pm ]
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typically just me or one other, very little cargo but i do move some things around from time to time from a ski shop but not enough to merit it being "large cargo" otherwise i wouldnt be looking at jeep wranglers id be looking at pickups

Author:	moose [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:54 pm ]
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Otto wrote: typically just me or one other, very little cargo but i do move some things around from time to time from a ski shop but not enough to merit it being "large cargo" otherwise i wouldnt be looking at jeep wranglers id be looking at pickups Go with the TJ and get a 2" reciever and a Hitch-Haul for those times you need to move extra stuff. The LJ has a nice ride, and nice payload area, but if you don't need it, don't get it. Short wheel base helps with breakover angle too. 6 spd has more power, but some don't like wheeling manuals (like my wife )

Author:	kj in a tight spot [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:00 am ]
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moose wrote: Otto wrote: typically just me or one other, very little cargo but i do move some things around from time to time from a ski shop but not enough to merit it being "large cargo" otherwise i wouldnt be looking at jeep wranglers id be looking at pickups Go with the TJ and get a 2" reciever and a Hitch-Haul for those times you need to move extra stuff. The LJ has a nice ride, and nice payload area, but if you don't need it, don't get it. Short wheel base helps with breakover angle too. 6 spd has more power, but some don't like wheeling manuals (like my wife ) x2, especially on the breakover angle...the LJ is a slug out on the trails til it either gets a TT or a lift of some sort, or both At least with the TJ, if you choose to keep it stock there will be less issues with the breakover angle...the LJ is MUCH more roomy as far as cargo and such though...its a catch 22 deal...

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Author:	SunDvl [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:24 am ]
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The ride is definitely smoother but you need a bigger lift to compensate for the extra length. I'd personally get the unlimited because I like to take my family wheeling and need the room (I will be getting one in a year or two).

Author:	chefdab [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:18 pm ]
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I love my Unlimited. Everybody always talks about the wheelbase as a possible downside but think about this, it is only one inch longer than the Liberty. And why do so many of the hardcore rock crawlers stretch the wheelbase on their short wheelbase TJs when they do axle swaps? To me the length is just about right. Now the JK unlimited is too long in my opinion. Also besides the extra cargo room, you get a larger towing capacity (3500 lbs as opposed to a short wheelbase which is only 2000 lbs.) If you leave the rear seat in, it is so much nicer to be able to still have a full size cooler back there for those wheeling trips. I really can't see too many downsides to the unlimited. The only one I've found so far is with the hard top. It's freaking ridiculous to take off and put back on because it is so big and heavy. I don't know how much longer I will keep mine. We nearly cracked it in half trying to put it on this fall. If you're just going with the soft top though, I would definitely get the unlimited. After you get it you'll wonder why you even considered the short wheelbase.

Author:	Otto [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:09 pm ]
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does this look lifted? I kinda think it is when I look at other stock rubis, I might have to make a trip to the springs to find out. (i want somethign totally stock if possible, its nearly impossible to find a manual rubicon that hasnt been modded or not in some awful color)

Author:	Otto [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:20 pm ]
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body lift of this sort consists of new mounts to the frame, correct? I might consider putting back on the stock mounts if thats possible and practical, as this jeep is probably as close as it gets to what im looking for. Would the stock mounts be easy to acquire through mopar or third party and is the job fairly cheap to get someone to do or doable by yourself? still all just a bunch of speculation.

Author:	05kjrenny [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:42 pm ]
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If its a body lift using pucks, all you need to do is unbolt and remove the pucks. You will need the stock body bolts, grill supports and remove any transfer case brackets. Maybe raise the fan shrowd back to stock. Not real hard to do but the body lift doesnt have anything to do with ride if thats your concern.

Author:	Otto [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:56 pm ]
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not concerned about ride at all, just dont need or want a body lift especially if it will be running stock sized tires for a while.

Author:	2006 KJ [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:29 am ]
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This is ours but we would cut it loose for $19,000 if you want it.... it's a 2006 rubi with 13,000 miles on it and a 6 speed.. extra rollbars around windshield (with grab handles) and over head..painted to match the jeep, cawl scoup..6 inch bushwhacker fender flares..new best top with tinted windows.. new wheels..8inch with 4 1/2 inch offset, and warn front bumper, warn rock rails.... lots of stuff.. never been offroaded... yet... this is completely stock ride height.. no spacers.. no BL.. i think the black one has atleast a BL.. prob. 2 inches..

Author:	Guest [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:16 am ]
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I think that black one actually looks like it has a spacer lift. My boss's Sahara is sitting on a spacer lift and bald MT/R's right now and it sits about exactly like that.

Author:	kj in a tight spot [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:43 am ]
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Otto wrote: body lift of this sort consists of new mounts to the frame, correct? I might consider putting back on the stock mounts if thats possible and practical, as this jeep is probably as close as it gets to what im looking for. Would the stock mounts be easy to acquire through mopar or third party and is the job fairly cheap to get someone to do or doable by yourself? still all just a bunch of speculation. A BL consists of raised mounts that either completely replace the stock body mounts or, im my case with the JKS BL, they are put on TOP of the stock mounts. It is very easy to track down a set of OEM body mounts, but why bother just leave it IMO. Your prolly gonna wanna have one down the road anyhow so just keep it on there...my $.02 cents... IF you do decide to replace it to stock the job is simple as hell and can be done within the hour if you have knowledge of what to do...took me only bout an hour to put mine on shouldnt take any longer to take it off...the hardest part are the two snubbers on the front grill, they take MUCH coaxin to get em in there

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Author:	Otto [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:33 pm ]
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im just a bit particular about getting a vehicle thats been changed in any way from stock by anyone other than myself

Author:	jeep06 [ Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:30 am ]
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I guess it depends on what you want to do the most with your new rig... if you just want it for trails and rock climbing, go with the TJ. If it will be driven mostly on road with a few trips to the trails, go with the LJ. I know I wouldn't trade mine for anything since it is used as a DD most of the time. Hope you can find what you are looking for, there are some low mileage Rubicons out there, it's just finding them!!