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I've only been L.O.S.T. since July but I dpn't think I've anybody using this set up. I it's is here and I'm just asleep at the wheel. Be Gentle :shock:

Any way Here is a site some body with the feever really bad will be all over this.

Go To: http://www.usa6x6.com/products_and_serv ... kwell.html

OR : http://www.stazworks.com/axels.htm

or : http://www.citruscountycustoms.com/

or : http://www.trucks.com/parts_inventory.asp?category=14

as I said I'm not trying to stir things up , But wouldn't these be the ultimate SFA????

you would really have a lot of weight down low that way, axles would weigh almost as much as The Liberty wouldnt they? Someone needs to photoshop that though...a Liberty on 54s.
I know what my Dodge van looked like on 40s ..I can only imagine! :lol:

Tom

tommudd wrote:

Tom

If you do the disc brake conversion you save about 160+lbs per axle,so they would be about 700-750lbs a piece.Oh and why not get 2 steering axles and make it 4 wheel steer!!!!

dont know how the little 3.7 would take to that...

rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide.

d60/14 bolt is a great combo with upgraded 35 spline outer stub shafts. proven combo even up to 44" tires with high HP. 95% of comp guys run a front 60 with a 60/14 in the rear.

For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35".

Anything bigger and your just working with the wrong platform....

only way that sammy guy is pushing those 44" is gearing in the axles and the t-case, probably has double t-cases pushing a near 10:1 ratio.

rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide.

For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35".

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rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide.

Rockwells aren't that expensive,i could build a set of rockwells for cheaper then the axles I'm going with(HP44 front,RockJock 60 rear,67" WMS to WMS and 65" WMS to WMS).As long as you get rid of the heavy drums they are really not much heavier then a full float D60 or C14.As for width after removing the drums and doing a hub reversal they are no wider then the axles I'm using,to use the steering rockwell you'll need to shorten the long side tube due to the offset toploader design.Oh and they are really easy to come by,any DOL aution or surplus yard will have them,and many brand new and never used.

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For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35".

I'm using a HP 44 out of a F-100 so it's stronger then a TJ 44,1/2" tubes,I know the ring/pinion is the same but after putting in chromo axles I'll be able to go as high as 39" tires if I wanted,37" tires are no problem for the HP44,many guy's here in CO are wearing 37" or bigger with HP44's and have no problems on the rocks.

tjkj2002 wrote:

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rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide.

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For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35".

When you start this project if you don't mind I would love to look in and see this baby's birth. I'm up in Lakewood and the education of seeing this beast come to life would be worth the drive, and I'm more then happy to play gofer to you just to watch and learn. I've seen this done on TRUCK's TV a few years back, they called it Project Rock. He did as you had mention equiped it with 4 wheel hydraulic steering. It started as an Old Dodge Milatary Truck, but I never saw that project finished. By the way that Toyota Prius on this thread Now Thats My Idea Of A Hybrid :-)r

tjkj2002-- Why put all the time and energy and money into a SFA swap for a KJ when you could buy a Wrangler a lot cheaper and be done with it? Just to be different? Or do you really love the body style of the KJ that much?

Author:	Rush345 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:31 am ]
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I've only been L.O.S.T. since July but I dpn't think I've anybody using this set up. I it's is here and I'm just asleep at the wheel. Be Gentle Any way Here is a site some body with the feever really bad will be all over this. Go To: http://www.usa6x6.com/products_and_serv ... kwell.html OR : http://www.stazworks.com/axels.htm or : http://www.citruscountycustoms.com/ or : http://www.trucks.com/parts_inventory.asp?category=14 as I said I'm not trying to stir things up , But wouldn't these be the ultimate SFA????

Author:	JJsTJ [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:21 am ]
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Rush345 wrote: I've only been L.O.S.T. since July but I dpn't think I've anybody using this set up. I it's is here and I'm just asleep at the wheel. Be Gentle Any way Here is a site some body with the feever really bad will be all over this. Go To: http://www.usa6x6.com/products_and_serv ... kwell.html OR : http://www.stazworks.com/axels.htm or : http://www.citruscountycustoms.com/ or : http://www.trucks.com/parts_inventory.asp?category=14 as I said I'm not trying to stir things up , But wouldn't these be the ultimate SFA???? Overkill for what I would need for sure. I did think about portal axles though and I was real close to buying a pair of Mog axles. I didn't want to add more issues to the job though seeing as how nobody had done the KJ w/ them yet. I have had enough small challenges just trying to use the "normal" axles I ended up w/.

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:52 am ]
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Oh great,I see me changing my mind again after you posted up about RockWells Rush345 ! HMMMMMM a KJ sitting on 54" Interco Boggers,nice,very nice !!!! Hey I've seen Sami's with RockWells and 44" boggers.

Author:	tommudd [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:05 pm ]
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you would really have a lot of weight down low that way, axles would weigh almost as much as The Liberty wouldnt they? Someone needs to photoshop that though...a Liberty on 54s. I know what my Dodge van looked like on 40s ..I can only imagine! Tom

Author:	Tokyojoe [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:42 pm ]
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Much smaller risk of tipping over with low weight to the ground.

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Author:	tjkj2002 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:02 pm ]
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tommudd wrote: you would really have a lot of weight down low that way, axles would weigh almost as much as The Liberty wouldnt they? Someone needs to photoshop that though...a Liberty on 54s. I know what my Dodge van looked like on 40s ..I can only imagine! Tom If you do the disc brake conversion you save about 160+lbs per axle,so they would be about 700-750lbs a piece.Oh and why not get 2 steering axles and make it 4 wheel steer!!!!

Author:	Rush345 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:23 pm ]
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tjkj2002 wrote: tommudd wrote: you would really have a lot of weight down low that way, axles would weigh almost as much as The Liberty wouldnt they? Someone needs to photoshop that though...a Liberty on 54s. I know what my Dodge van looked like on 40s ..I can only imagine! Tom If you do the disc brake conversion you save about 160+lbs per axle,so they would be about 700-750lbs a piece.Oh and why not get 2 steering axles and make it 4 wheel steer!!!! Now your talking all it would take one being built and I dare anybody to call it a girly Jeep

Author:	_UnLiMiTeD_ [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:22 pm ]
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dont know how the little 3.7 would take to that...

Author:	JJsTJ [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:29 pm ]
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_UnLiMiTeD_ wrote: dont know how the little 3.7 would take to that... W/ proper gearing it would crawl like mad.

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:30 pm ]
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_UnLiMiTeD_ wrote: dont know how the little 3.7 would take to that... Well with 6.72 gearing(the only gear ratio available) it would be no problem for the 3.7 to turn them.I have seen a Sami with RockWells under it with the 1.6L(110hp I believe) engine swap from a Goe Tracker turning 44" boggers,no highway machine but crawls rocks real good.

Author:	krazz1e [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:23 pm ]
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rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide. d60/14 bolt is a great combo with upgraded 35 spline outer stub shafts. proven combo even up to 44" tires with high HP. 95% of comp guys run a front 60 with a 60/14 in the rear. For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35". Anything bigger and your just working with the wrong platform.... only way that sammy guy is pushing those 44" is gearing in the axles and the t-case, probably has double t-cases pushing a near 10:1 ratio.

Author:	tommudd [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:05 pm ]
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krazz1e wrote: rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide. d60/14 bolt is a great combo with upgraded 35 spline outer stub shafts. proven combo even up to 44" tires with high HP. 95% of comp guys run a front 60 with a 60/14 in the rear. For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35". Anything bigger and your just working with the wrong platform.... only way that sammy guy is pushing those 44" is gearing in the axles and the t-case, probably has double t-cases pushing a near 10:1 ratio. we all understand that but its still fun to say what if!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:06 pm ]
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Quote: rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide. Rockwells aren't that expensive,i could build a set of rockwells for cheaper then the axles I'm going with(HP44 front,RockJock 60 rear,67" WMS to WMS and 65" WMS to WMS).As long as you get rid of the heavy drums they are really not much heavier then a full float D60 or C14.As for width after removing the drums and doing a hub reversal they are no wider then the axles I'm using,to use the steering rockwell you'll need to shorten the long side tube due to the offset toploader design.Oh and they are really easy to come by,any DOL aution or surplus yard will have them,and many brand new and never used. Quote: For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35". I'm using a HP 44 out of a F-100 so it's stronger then a TJ 44,1/2" tubes,I know the ring/pinion is the same but after putting in chromo axles I'll be able to go as high as 39" tires if I wanted,37" tires are no problem for the HP44,many guy's here in CO are wearing 37" or bigger with HP44's and have no problems on the rocks.

Author:	DarbyWalters [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:23 pm ]
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Author:	SoDakJeep [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:07 pm ]
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WHY NOT.... ITS NOT WASTED MONEY IF ITS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. I DOUBT HE PLANS ON SELLING THE THING ANYTIME SOON AS HE BOUGHT IT BACK IN THE DAY AND JUST KEEPS ADDING MORE AND MORE STUFF TO IT.

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Author:	Pablo [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:17 pm ]
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I like the rock rails... with the step way down below. Needs a roll cage, though. So hows the MPG? Is it is good as they say?

Author:	Rush345 [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:36 pm ]
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tjkj2002 wrote: Quote: rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide. Rockwells aren't that expensive,i could build a set of rockwells for cheaper then the axles I'm going with(HP44 front,RockJock 60 rear,67" WMS to WMS and 65" WMS to WMS).As long as you get rid of the heavy drums they are really not much heavier then a full float D60 or C14.As for width after removing the drums and doing a hub reversal they are no wider then the axles I'm using,to use the steering rockwell you'll need to shorten the long side tube due to the offset toploader design.Oh and they are really easy to come by,any DOL aution or surplus yard will have them,and many brand new and never used. Quote: For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35". I'm using a HP 44 out of a F-100 so it's stronger then a TJ 44,1/2" tubes,I know the ring/pinion is the same but after putting in chromo axles I'll be able to go as high as 39" tires if I wanted,37" tires are no problem for the HP44,many guy's here in CO are wearing 37" or bigger with HP44's and have no problems on the rocks. When you start this project if you don't mind I would love to look in and see this baby's birth. I'm up in Lakewood and the education of seeing this beast come to life would be worth the drive, and I'm more then happy to play gofer to you just to watch and learn. I've seen this done on TRUCK's TV a few years back, they called it Project Rock. He did as you had mention equiped it with 4 wheel hydraulic steering. It started as an Old Dodge Milatary Truck, but I never saw that project finished. By the way that Toyota Prius on this thread Now Thats My Idea Of A Hybrid

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:44 pm ]
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Rush345 wrote: tjkj2002 wrote: Quote: rockwells are too expensive and harder to come by, not to mention heavy as hell and too darn wide. Rockwells aren't that expensive,i could build a set of rockwells for cheaper then the axles I'm going with(HP44 front,RockJock 60 rear,67" WMS to WMS and 65" WMS to WMS).As long as you get rid of the heavy drums they are really not much heavier then a full float D60 or C14.As for width after removing the drums and doing a hub reversal they are no wider then the axles I'm using,to use the steering rockwell you'll need to shorten the long side tube due to the offset toploader design.Oh and they are really easy to come by,any DOL aution or surplus yard will have them,and many brand new and never used. Quote: For a KJ a d44 up front is ideal IMO. cheap, easy to come by and strong up to a 33-35". I'm using a HP 44 out of a F-100 so it's stronger then a TJ 44,1/2" tubes,I know the ring/pinion is the same but after putting in chromo axles I'll be able to go as high as 39" tires if I wanted,37" tires are no problem for the HP44,many guy's here in CO are wearing 37" or bigger with HP44's and have no problems on the rocks. When you start this project if you don't mind I would love to look in and see this baby's birth. I'm up in Lakewood and the education of seeing this beast come to life would be worth the drive, and I'm more then happy to play gofer to you just to watch and learn. I've seen this done on TRUCK's TV a few years back, they called it Project Rock. He did as you had mention equiped it with 4 wheel hydraulic steering. It started as an Old Dodge Milatary Truck, but I never saw that project finished. By the way that Toyota Prius on this thread Now Thats My Idea Of A Hybrid I'm not using RockWells,your more then welcome and stop by and see the SFA swap while it's being done in a few months.

Author:	ryno [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:00 pm ]
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tjkj2002-- Why put all the time and energy and money into a SFA swap for a KJ when you could buy a Wrangler a lot cheaper and be done with it? Just to be different? Or do you really love the body style of the KJ that much?

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:43 pm ]
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ryno wrote: tjkj2002-- Why put all the time and energy and money into a SFA swap for a KJ when you could buy a Wrangler a lot cheaper and be done with it? Just to be different? Or do you really love the body style of the KJ that much? I don't want a Wrangler,everybody and there dog has one and my 12 year old sister could build one with all that available.I'm not saying I don't like Wranglers,heck I'm glad they have alot of aftermarket parts,since I'm using alot of them in my build.I like being different and like a challenge.And yeah the body style has grown on me after a few years. I look at it this way,since I'll never sell my KJ(to much blood and sweat in it) I would need to buy a Wrangler then mod it,say about $30,000 for how well my KJ will be outfitted.So instead I'm going to spend half as much and built a KJ that will hang with just about any modded Wrangler(remember I said JUST ABOUT ANY,not all).Just makes more sence to me.