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 Post subject: Re: Air Pressure???
PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:44 pm 
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Ok just got home. Here's a good chart to go by for LT tires:
http://www.trucktires.com/bridgestone/u ... k_Load.pdf

I just took a look at my wifes Liberty to give you guys another example of methods for determining tire pressure.

Using her 2008 Liberty Sport 4x4 vehicle placard:
GVWR is 5600. This is the maximum vehicle weight loaded to the max with cargo/people/etc.

5600/4= 1400 lb required for each tire.

OR, also given is the GAWR which is the MAX load for the front and rear axles.
Front GAWR = 2750. Divide by 2 for the tires and you need 1375 lb capacity for the front tires.
Rear GAWR = 3200. Divide by 2 for the tires and you need 1600 lb capacity for the rear tires.

Going back to the chart in the link above. An LT215/85/16 you'll see that at 35 PSI the tires have a capacity of 1495 lb which is definitely good, especially for an unloaded Liberty that has a curb weight around 4000 lb? Now if you're loaded to max capacity and want to make sure you're covered for that GAWR in the rear which requires 1600 lb, you can bump the pressures up to 40 PSI which gives you a capacity of 1640 lb per that chart.

Thus, anything significantly over 40 PSI in the aforementioned tire size is likely overkill.

In any event, i would still suggest keeping an eye on the pressures and tweaking them as necessary.

But one thing is certain.... 70 PSI is way too much.


Thanks, I'm breakin out the pressure gauge when I get home.
It wasn't too bad in the snow this am, we had 4".


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:55 pm 
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I can't wait to get some snow! We had a ton last year and my pickup truck tore through it nicely. I'm looking forward to testing out the Commander this year with the QD-II. And we'll see how far the Liberty makes it too of course :JEEPIN:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:59 am 
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i had the same issue, my friend said the tire can be almost at the cold weight. mine said 80 psi, os i put it to 60 and i asked around an ppl started saying i could die and blow my tire out so when i went wheeling i aired down to 33 psi and never aired back up. i feel a lot safer and smoother with my ride....

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:24 pm 
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Understanding Tire Pressure and Load Limits
Tire Pressure & Loading Limits

* General Information
* Checking Tire Pressure
* Maintaining Proper Tire Pressure
* Understanding Tire Pressure and Loading Limits

Tire inflation pressure is the level of air in the tire that provides it with load-carrying capacity and affects the overall performance of the vehicle. The tire inflation pressure is a number that indicates the amount of air pressure– measured in pounds per square inch (psi)–a tire requires to be properly inflated. (You will also find this number on the vehicle information placard expressed in kilopascals (kPa), which is the metric measure used internationally.)

Manufacturers of passenger vehicles and light trucks determine this number based on he vehicle's design load limit, that is, the greatest amount of weight a vehicle can safely carry and the vehicle's tire size.The proper tire pressure for your vehicle is referred to as the "recommended cold inflation pressure."

Remember, the correct pressure for your tire is what the vehicle manufacturer has listed on the placard, NOT what is listed on the tire itself.


Because tires are designed to be used on more than one type of vehicle, tire manufacturers list the "maximum permissible inflation pressure" on the tire sidewall. This number is the greatest amount of air pressure that should ever be put in the tire under normal driving conditions.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Ahh shucks, I was hopin to continue to feel like I was riding on a bunch o flintstone rocks. 40 feels a lot nicer. Hopefully my mpg will stay up, I'll keep it like this for a couple tankfuls and play around.
I also have this nice NASCAR air pressure gauge now, and moved one of my pancakes into the garage so I can fool around with more easily.

Still waiting for Hankook to respond.

Looking forward to Sunday's snowstorm and see how many SUV's I get to pull out of the ditch on 495.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:55 am 
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Okay they finally got back to me
I recently purchased a set of 4 Hankook DynaPro ATM RF10 LT215/85R16E1 115R W for my 2006 Jeep Liberty Sport. With the following specifications I am trying to figure out the optimal pressure for these tires without a load of more than 500 lbs in my Liberty on a regular travel day GVWR (lbs.) 5,600 GCWR (lbs.) 8,750 GAWR front/rear (lbs.) 2,750/3,150 Curb weight, est.(a) (lbs.) 4,044 Any assistance would be extremely helpful. the original tires were 225/75/16s and recommeded tire pressure of 35-40 lb s worked out most circumstances Regards, Bill


Dear Sir,
According to my reference guides, the proper inflation for this new size is 50psi for the front and rear axle.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:56 am 
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:lol: because you gave them a GAWR of 8750 lbs!

Edit: or they read it wrong like I just did!

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 Post subject: Re: Air Pressure???
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:03 am 
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And check your tire placard... my wife's 08 has a recommended inflation pressure of 33 psi for her p225/75/16. So the Guy may have looked at the charts for a P225/75/16 @40 psi (and I wonder if they derate that load for the Liberty like they're supposed to for full sized truck?)

Can you ask them for a copy of their chart?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:58 am 
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No I did not ask for their chart I can do that. Hopefully, they'll respond


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 Post subject: Re: Air Pressure???
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:22 pm 
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Cool I hope they send you more info.

I would definitely double check how they came up with that figure since its well beyond the GAWR for your vehicle.

Manufacturers often include warnings that in some cases, LT tires are not suitable for replacement in P tire applications if too high of a pressure is required to meet load requirements. 50 psi in those tires is not only going to stiffen the ride, but its going to reduce the contact patch (and therefore friction/traction) which results in longer braking distances, decreased maneuverability and increased center tread wear.

I personally would go by the GAWR capacity in this case. That's just my opinion though. Definitely report back if they get back to ya. :cheers:

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 Post subject: Re: Air Pressure???
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:19 pm 
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I can't paste the complete image here
but here is the single tire guide

LT215/85/16 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80
1495 1640 1785 1940 2050 2180 2335 2430 2550 2680


so you could probably get away with 40 or 45 but 50 if you add a person or 2 seems right.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:30 pm 
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Matt_ wrote:
And check your tire placard... my wife's 08 has a recommended inflation pressure of 33 psi for her p225/75/16. So the Guy may have looked at the charts for a P225/75/16 @40 psi (and I wonder if they derate that load for the Liberty like they're supposed to for full sized truck?)

Can you ask them for a copy of their chart?

My KJ states 33psi on the door jam,no way I'm I going to run that much as my tires have a max inflation of 35psi(2600lbs max rated weight,load range C).I run about 26-28psi and my KJ weighs 6000lbs(yes actual weight,not GVWR).Though my tires are in a whole new class when referring to psi's then stock sized tires.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:42 pm 
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The key that most people don't realize is that tire deflection is a function of vehicle weight, tire size and pressure. The increased psi for LT tires is to make the tires more firm under the same (load) to prevent heat generation in the plys. Running upwards of 50 psi in tires as light as a Liberty, even a fully loaded liberty, will have undesireable effects.

40 psi is suitable for a GAWR of 3280 lbs.... the Max axle rating for the vehicle is 3150. So if you need more than 40psi in those tires to support your vehicle then you're excessively over loaded. I don't know what type of people you drive around with.... but 50 psi would carry your Jeep loaded to Max capacity plus another 700 lbs. Think about it, the curb weight is around 4000 and the GVWR is about 5600.. does your gear and passengers weigh 1600 pounds? And would you ever load your Liberty to 2300 pounds over curb weight? Hell that's more than the load capacity for most full size trucks.

I wouldn't run over 40 if it was my vehicle. IMO there's no benefit to 50.... but there are negatives. $.02

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:45 pm 
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tjkj2002 wrote:
Matt_ wrote:
And check your tire placard... my wife's 08 has a recommended inflation pressure of 33 psi for her p225/75/16. So the Guy may have looked at the charts for a P225/75/16 @40 psi (and I wonder if they derate that load for the Liberty like they're supposed to for full sized truck?)

Can you ask them for a copy of their chart?

My KJ states 33psi on the door jam,no way I'm I going to run that much as my tires have a max inflation of 35psi(2600lbs max rated weight,load range C).I run about 26-28psi and my KJ weighs 6000lbs(yes actual weight,not GVWR).Though my tires are in a whole new class when referring to psi's then stock sized tires.


Lol exactly man.... a great example of how you need to assess each scenario on a case by case basis. You've modified that vehicle to the point where the door placard really doesn't mean anything anymore.....

In my responses to striperman, I'm specifically referencing pressures for LT215/85/16 to replace his stock P225/75/16s on a relatively stock vehicle.

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 Post subject: Re: Air Pressure???
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:16 pm 
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Matt_ wrote:
The key that most people don't realize is that tire deflection is a function of vehicle weight, tire size and pressure. The increased psi for LT tires is to make the tires more firm under the same (load) to prevent heat generation in the plys. Running upwards of 50 psi in tires as light as a Liberty, even a fully loaded liberty, will have undesireable effects.

40 psi is suitable for a GAWR of 3280 lbs.... the Max axle rating for the vehicle is 3150. So if you need more than 40psi in those tires to support your vehicle then you're excessively over loaded. I don't know what type of people you drive around with.... but 50 psi would carry your Jeep loaded to Max capacity plus another 700 lbs. Think about it, the curb weight is around 4000 and the GVWR is about 5600.. does your gear and passengers weigh 1600 pounds? And would you ever load your Liberty to 2300 pounds over curb weight? Hell that's more than the load capacity for most full size trucks.

I wouldn't run over 40 if it was my vehicle. IMO there's no benefit to 50.... but there are negatives. $.02


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