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Author:  yakers [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  BFG T/A KO Vs Pirelli Scorpion ATR
Subject line sort of says it all. I know there are a number of tire choices but I have narrowed it down to these two. I like the BFG T/A KOs because they do an awesome job on my XJ, OK on the road, for such an aggressive thread, and handle off road very well. The Pirelli comes well recommended by my brother he has used them on various vehicles to good effect.
These would be for my 06 KJ CRD, I will have a loooong road trip (10K miles) with about 1K of them on a primitive unpaved road that is reputed to be hell on sidewalls. These would both be load range "D" because of sidewall issues . And after I get back home there will be a lot of trailer towing. So I am inclined to go with the BFG but want to know if there is any reason I should not and is there any reason to believe the Pirelli is a better tire.
Author:  sleeve84028 [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:50 am ]
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I think I'd prefer the Pirelli Scorpion's if your KJ will see primarily on road duty. The T/A KO's are very popular, but I think the pattern gets old after seeing it on every 4x4 that drives around (well, OK, not every one - but a heck of a lot)
Author:  jason thompson [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:02 pm ]
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Between the 2 I would choose BFG but they are by no means aggressive
also neither tire is well know for side wall strength and if you plan to run 1K miles on unimproved roads that are said to be hard on side walls then I would buy a tire that is know for side wall strength not some mediocre tire

I have done LOTS of off roading in LOTS of areas and the #1 problem is tires even in areas with NO ROCKS but only dirt and roots I still see tire issues
I have seen a family of 5 basicaly stranded by 2 flats on "unimproved" in the Smokie Mountains National Park
and we did not even need 4wd to travel this road 1 was the tire on the car the second was the poor excuse of a spare 500' down the road
If I were going to do this trip that you are talking about I would not fool around with tires I would get some thing that is a good strong tire and BFG would be at the bottom of my list

My list to do what you are planing
Goodyear MTR
Micky Thompson MTZ ,not sure these even come in a 245/75 R16
Cooper STT ,the good one NOT THE S/T
BFG MT ,the KM2 if you have 17" wheels
Author:  kkohne10 [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  SNOW
The BFG also has a little snowflake on a mountain symobol on the sidewall for the mountain. It is basically for the statetroopers letting them now it is a traction device... so like for me in Oregon Mt. Hood can get dumped on big with snow so every time you go up it is usually required that you have traction devices on AKA: studs, chains, or the BFG ATKO...

Other than that they are amazing i love mine,,, they perform great on and offroad.. I have a frankenlift and the 30" on 15"s but i wanna upgrade to the 31"s
Author:  jason thompson [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SNOW
kkohne10 wrote:
The BFG also has a little snowflake on a mountain symobol on the sidewall for the mountain. It is basically for the statetroopers letting them now it is a traction device... so like for me in Oregon Mt. Hood can get dumped on big with snow so every time you go up it is usually required that you have traction devices on AKA: studs, chains, or the BFG ATKO...

Other than that they are amazing i love mine,,, they perform great on and offroad.. I have a frankenlift and the 30" on 15"s but i wanna upgrade to the 31"s



um ,yeah, not quite
that little symbol simply means that they are snow rated or some junk like that
They are by no means a "traction device" like chains or studs ,I am from south Louisiana and know that
and the term traction device ,when talking Jeep, refers to things like Lockers and LSD's not tires or chains
just like saying "They perform great off road" compared to what?
compared to my LTB's they suck off road but or great on road ,even compared to the MTR's on the wifes KJ they suck off road
now compared to a highway rib tire they are great off road but suck on road
all perspective and opinion
Author:  InCommando [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SNOW
jason thompson wrote:
kkohne10 wrote:
The BFG also has a little snowflake on a mountain symobol on the sidewall for the mountain. It is basically for the statetroopers letting them now it is a traction device... so like for me in Oregon Mt. Hood can get dumped on big with snow so every time you go up it is usually required that you have traction devices on AKA: studs, chains, or the BFG ATKO...

Other than that they are amazing i love mine,,, they perform great on and offroad.. I have a frankenlift and the 30" on 15"s but i wanna upgrade to the 31"s



um ,yeah, not quite
that little symbol simply means that they are snow rated or some junk like that
They are by no means a "traction device" like chains or studs ,I am from south Louisiana and know that
and the term traction device ,when talking Jeep, refers to things like Lockers and LSD's not tires or chains
just like saying "They perform great off road" compared to what?
compared to my LTB's they suck off road but or great on road ,even compared to the MTR's on the wifes KJ they suck off road
now compared to a highway rib tire they are great off road but suck on road
all perspective and opinion


Jason, there is a severe weather rating for tires. In areas that require chains, etc... during certain snow storms, tires with the severe weather rating can be used without TRACTION DEVICES like chains or cables. He is exactly right: You can be ticketed & removed from the road for driving under these conditions without the proper tires or TRACTION DEVICES.

I know that you are from S. Louisiana and know this, so the above post must have been made by mistake. :roll:
Author:  tjkj2002 [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SNOW
InCommando wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
kkohne10 wrote:
The BFG also has a little snowflake on a mountain symobol on the sidewall for the mountain. It is basically for the statetroopers letting them now it is a traction device... so like for me in Oregon Mt. Hood can get dumped on big with snow so every time you go up it is usually required that you have traction devices on AKA: studs, chains, or the BFG ATKO...

Other than that they are amazing i love mine,,, they perform great on and offroad.. I have a frankenlift and the 30" on 15"s but i wanna upgrade to the 31"s



um ,yeah, not quite
that little symbol simply means that they are snow rated or some junk like that
They are by no means a "traction device" like chains or studs ,I am from south Louisiana and know that
and the term traction device ,when talking Jeep, refers to things like Lockers and LSD's not tires or chains
just like saying "They perform great off road" compared to what?
compared to my LTB's they suck off road but or great on road ,even compared to the MTR's on the wifes KJ they suck off road
now compared to a highway rib tire they are great off road but suck on road
all perspective and opinion


Jason, there is a severe weather rating for tires. In areas that require chains, etc... during certain snow storms, tires with the severe weather rating can be used without TRACTION DEVICES like chains or cables. He is exactly right: You can be ticketed & removed from the road for driving under these conditions without the proper tires or TRACTION DEVICES.

I know that you are from S. Louisiana and know this, so the above post must have been made by mistake. :roll:
Try to get away with that in Washington state :lol: ,they'll laugh at you.


Then again I laughed at the HiPo that tried to chase me up Snohomish pass after I took off after the check point stating ALL vehicles must has chains to proceed,he had chains on his Impala and couldn't even keep up with me in my KJ with MT/R's,in 2wd still.Come on I'm from SD and deep snow is nothing for me,heck there was only about 6" of snow on the interstate :evil: !


BFG AT's are some of the worst AT tires on the market,they only sell from the fact they are made by BFG,very weak sidewalls,then again all BFG's has weak sidewalls besides there Krawlers and Baja T/A's.
Author:  jason thompson [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SNOW
InCommando wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
kkohne10 wrote:
The BFG also has a little snowflake on a mountain symobol on the sidewall for the mountain. It is basically for the statetroopers letting them now it is a traction device... so like for me in Oregon Mt. Hood can get dumped on big with snow so every time you go up it is usually required that you have traction devices on AKA: studs, chains, or the BFG ATKO...

Other than that they are amazing i love mine,,, they perform great on and offroad.. I have a frankenlift and the 30" on 15"s but i wanna upgrade to the 31"s



um ,yeah, not quite
that little symbol simply means that they are snow rated or some junk like that
They are by no means a "traction device" like chains or studs ,I am from south Louisiana and know that
and the term traction device ,when talking Jeep, refers to things like Lockers and LSD's not tires or chains
just like saying "They perform great off road" compared to what?
compared to my LTB's they suck off road but or great on road ,even compared to the MTR's on the wifes KJ they suck off road
now compared to a highway rib tire they are great off road but suck on road
all perspective and opinion


Jason, there is a severe weather rating for tires. In areas that require chains, etc... during certain snow storms, tires with the severe weather rating can be used without TRACTION DEVICES like chains or cables. He is exactly right: You can be ticketed & removed from the road for driving under these conditions without the proper tires or TRACTION DEVICES.

I know that you are from S. Louisiana and know this, so the above post must have been made by mistake. :roll:


well seeing as you are trying to be smart let me be blunt!
did you not read my post?
second line says it all
then read the third line about traction devices
and the 4th line sums it up
then I simply pointed out that in "common jeep terms" traction device is not commonly know as chains or studs

No I did not make a mistake
You must have because you are trying to be a major D!@$ to me and failed when you did not read
Author:  InCommando [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:51 pm ]
Post subject: 
:roll:
Author:  ga_repoman [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:59 am ]
Post subject: 
WOW
alot of BFG bashing
I have run BFG AT's on my old blazer and now my jeep
Nether was a dedicated offroader rather a dd that was driven offroad on the weekends
I drove the blazer across the country
went mudding alot in Ga on them
with no problems and now run them on the jeep and LOVE them
Drove the Jeep to
Yosimite during the 1st snow of the season
Tahoe to snow ski and rent snowmobiles
and a beach or two here in Ca
Dont know what these people's problems are I LOVE these tires

In my opinion you can not beat these in looks or preformance on and off road
I think they are the BEST "ALL TERRAIN" tire

Just my 2cents
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dont want to ruffel any feathers just throwing my say in the preverbiale(sp?) hat...... :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
Author:  Inc [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:15 am ]
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Here in the Sierras of NV and CA, there are different requirements when a storm is going. There can be chain or snow tires required (the BFG AT qualify) or chains mandatory. If chains are mandatory, no lim slip, locker or posi track will get you through a HP checkpoint. You could always run like Troy I guess.:lol:

From my personal experience, having used BFG MTs and ATs, MTRs, and now Trxus, if I was planning a trip like you are, I'd run the BFG. I never once had a sidewall problem on my 78 CJ5 with them on it. I ran them into the ground too. Really great on road AT. I think the MTRs are way over hyped and I am not all that impressed. I love the Trxus for off roading. Never had a tire perform this well off road. My dad also runs, and has run BFG ATs on his truck that he weekly tows a trailer loaded up with 11,000 lbs. with his F350. He claims he got almost 70,000 miles out of his first set of BFG ATs. Not sure if it was really that much but I know with his last set he got almost 60,000 because I saw his Les Schwab write up when he bought them and when he got new ones put on. He has never once had a flat with them. He has over 200,000 mies on his truck almost all from BFG ATs. They are a great tire. Period. That said, I would go with a more aggressive tire if you planned on doing any serious off roading, but it sounds like that isn't necessarily the case.
Author:  ga_repoman [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  All-Terrain T/A
# A bold look that transforms the appearance of any vehicle
# Maximum all-terrain traction
# Designed to last
# Maximized “aired-down” traction and steering control in deep dirt, mud and sand; more aggressive appearance; reduced noise; minimized hydroplaning†
# Excellent traction and handling on- and off-road; improved traction; and decreased stone retention†
# Exceptional bruise resistance under the tread and in the sidewall
# Stiffer tread area for precise steering response and better cornering control; excellent puncture and bruise resistance†
# Helps protect wheel and tire from off-road hazards, especially during aired-down driving
# Long life and increased durability†
# Improved ride and increased bead strength†

Benefit: A bold look that transforms the appearance of any vehicle
Feature: Choice of distinctive raised white letters on one sidewall and black outline serrated branding on the other

Benefit: Maximum all-terrain traction
Feature: ShoulderLock™ technology (upper sidewall traction bars, 40% wider shoulder grooves)

Benefit: Designed to last
Feature: Improved stress distribution (up to 12% increase in treadlife); enhanced resistance to irregular wear; better traction†

Benefit: Maximized “aired-down” traction and steering control in deep dirt, mud and sand; more aggressive appearance; reduced noise; minimized hydroplaning†
Feature: ShoulderLock™ technology (upper sidewall traction bars, 40% wider shoulder grooves)

Benefit: Excellent traction and handling on- and off-road; improved traction; and decreased stone retention†
Feature: Aggressive, high-void all-terrain tread design with interlocking tread elements, innovative siping and stabilized tread center

Benefit: Exceptional bruise resistance under the tread and in the sidewall
Feature: Dual-compound tread

Benefit: Stiffer tread area for precise steering response and better cornering control; excellent puncture and bruise resistance†
Feature: Three-ply polyester carcass–TriGard® construction

Benefit: Helps protect wheel and tire from off-road hazards, especially during aired-down driving
Feature: High-strength single strand bead construction

Benefit: Long life and increased durability†
Feature: Two full-width steel belts

Benefit: Improved ride and increased bead strength†
Feature: Rim Protector
Author:  tommudd [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:59 am ]
Post subject: 
Back in the late 70s and the 80s I ran BFGs and preached to everyone how great they were. I ran them on my trucks and also my cars. So I have ran most every tire they made . But as time went on , the prices went up and the quality went down. Any more you are just paying for the BFG name thats it. There are tires out there just as good and better for less money.
So if you have to have the look and the name by all means spend your hard earned money and then you can say "I have BF Goodrich tires", but if you don't need the bragging rights look elsewhere.

and the rim protector that everyone brags about ...did you ever stop and look at how it really looks when you air down, sometimes it actually hurts as dirt is forced in between it and the rim and then ......flat tire, yes it can happen
Author:  ga_repoman [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:30 pm ]
Post subject: 
well i also preach cause I found my 235-70-16's for 75$ a piece

So you cant go wrong with an AT of any kind for that price :lol: :lol: :lol: (brand new) (closeout sale)

But you are right next set may or may not be BFG's

I just might shop around
As a matter of fact after the lift the next larger set may or maynot be BFG's
again depending on the price

The All-Mighty $$$$$$$$ Dollar $$$$$$$ speaks
Let's make a deal
Author:  sleeve84028 [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: BFG T/A KO Vs Pirelli Scorpion ATR
yakers wrote:
These would be for my 06 KJ CRD, I will have a loooong road trip (10K miles) with about 1K of them on a primitive unpaved road that is reputed to be hell on sidewalls. These would both be load range "D" because of sidewall issues . And after I get back home there will be a lot of trailer towing. So I am inclined to go with the BFG but want to know if there is any reason I should not and is there any reason to believe the Pirelli is a better tire.



I think think that the less A/T tire would still do you fine. Especially, considering the amount of time you are planning to spend on the highway.

However, you left out wheither or not you will be off roading your KJ at all after this trip? BFG is a great tire - but there are also plenty of other choices out there...
Author:  ga_repoman [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
yes there are
especially if you are only a weekend offroader
it would help your gas milage also the BFG's are not the best for
MPG
There are a lot better mainly street sometimes offroad tires out there
Author:  Ms5490renegade [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:41 pm ]
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get the pirellis. i have them. they're a darn good tire. i havent gotten stuck ever off road. my friend has the BFG's on his wrangler. they are super common and handle them selves well but i'm seeing wear on them already and he got the car in febuary
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