| LOST JEEPS http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/ |
|
| 4.2 L Cummins diesel http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=24840 |
Page 1 of 3 |
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4.2 L Cummins diesel |
Cummins is still saying that they’re testing a 4.2-liter diesel for Chrysler’s light-duty line-up. Makes me wonder if this bad boy wont go into a future Wrangler or Liberty? Any thoughts? |
|
| Author: | TheJawsOfDeath [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Ooooh yeah. I heard about that too. I'll take one in a Wrangler unlimited please. Either that, or swapped into a 1997-era Dodge Dakota...that was my first truck, mine had a 318, best looking truck anyones built for a long time. |
|
| Author: | chefdab [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Wouldn't a 4.2 liter diesel be a little overkill for a "light duty" truck? They only used a 2.4 for the Liberty and it had better torque and horsepower than the 3.7 gasser (that is also used in the Dakota). |
|
| Author: | Guest [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
chefdab wrote: Wouldn't a 4.2 liter diesel be a little overkill for a "light duty" truck? They only used a 2.4 for the Liberty and it had better torque and horsepower than the 3.7 gasser (that is also used in the Dakota).
160 hp is about 50 hp down from the 3.7, and it was a 2.8L from 05 on:P |
|
| Author: | Sir Sam [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
chefdab wrote: Wouldn't a 4.2 liter diesel be a little overkill for a "light duty" truck? They only used a 2.4 for the Liberty and it had better torque and horsepower than the 3.7 gasser (that is also used in the Dakota).
Americans hear 2.4 L and think honda. Like it or not a 4.2L will have more appeal to the general public than a 2.4. |
|
| Author: | sleeve84028 [ Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
The bigger displacement wouldn't have to be built so aggressive to achive acceptable power figures either. This would make the motor more durable and leave plenty of room to grow into different applications. |
|
| Author: | chefdab [ Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
ThunderbirdJunkie wrote: chefdab wrote: Wouldn't a 4.2 liter diesel be a little overkill for a "light duty" truck? They only used a 2.4 for the Liberty and it had better torque and horsepower than the 3.7 gasser (that is also used in the Dakota). 160 hp is about 50 hp down from the 3.7, and it was a 2.8L from 05 on:P Oops,I was thinking of the diesel and put the size of the 4 cyl gasser. Didn't the CRD make better numbers than the 3.7l gasser though? And it was smaller. That is why I was thinking a 4.2 liter diesel would have like 300+ hp and torque. Would that size be a large 6 or small 8 cylinder? |
|
| Author: | Guest [ Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
the CRD 2.8 is rated@ 295 ft lbs, and supposedly it's underrated;) the 4.2 should make closer to 450...doesn't the Grand Cherokee's CRD make like 390 ft lb, and it's a 3.0L? I think the 4.2 will be for the light duty (1500) Rams and possibly the Dakotas, maybe the Durango. I seriously doubt it'll be in anything that weighs less than 5,000 pounds with a gas engine. |
|
| Author: | Saber [ Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
That would be way to much weight up front for a Wrangler. |
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cummins 4.2L and 5.6L |
ThunderbirdJunkie wrote: the CRD 2.8 is rated@ 295 ft lbs, and supposedly it's underrated;)
the 4.2 should make closer to 450...doesn't the Grand Cherokee's CRD make like 390 ft lb, and it's a 3.0L? I think the 4.2 will be for the light duty (1500) Rams and possibly the Dakotas, maybe the Durango. I seriously doubt it'll be in anything that weighs less than 5,000 pounds with a gas engine. Surprisingly, Jeep at the auto show had the 4.2L V6 Diesel listed for the Wrangler. It has been mentioned that due to safety requirements, these cars and trucks are getting heavier and heavier. It’s going to take more horsepower to move these vehicles. Cummins said that they were testing two different engine types including a 4.2 V6 which was unusual for Cummins since they have focused on the inline so much, and the 5.6L. Cummins said that the V6 diesel would fit the mid sized vehicles such as the Durango/Aspen, Dakota, Grand Cherokee, and Ram 1500. The light-duty Cummins engine I’m guessing would fit the Wrangler, Liberty, and Nitro. Even though Jeep specifically listed the 4.2L diesel for the Wrangler, they did not specify who the manufacture was. Since Cummins openly mentioned that they were in the testing stages for the 4.2L, everyone assumed this was the 4.2L that Jeep was talking about. It was kinda ironic since JEEP at the auto show had a sign posted that read 4.2L diesel when they actually had the Mercedes CRD under the hood of the Wrangler. When questioned why they listed the 4.2L under the specifications, the JEEP guys just smiled and didn‘t say much. Diesel Power magazine interviewed one of the head dogs at Chrysler who believes that Diesel is the way of the future over all other hybrids and alternative fuels. He said Chryslers emphasis and commitment for clean diesel is what makes Chrysler different from the other auto manufactures. Although with the rising popularity and the government pushing ethanol, he said Chrysler will increase their flex-fuel cars as well. He had bragging rights that the new Cummins has already passed the 2010 emissions requirement and they are receiving awards for the clean blue tech Grand Cherokee. Ford will be dropping International who makes the Powerstroke in hopes to make their own diesel that next model change. It was mentioned that Chrysler and Cummins have extended their commitment together and have a good relationship unlike Ford and International. So I think Chrysler and Cummins have teamed up to make a clean diesel that will be economical and emission compliant and designed to stay for the long haul. We know that there are NEW Wranglers running around with Diesels, but we have no clue what’s under the hood nor do we know if they are for the North American market. According to what I have read, Cummins has , “ announced it will supply 4.2-liter V6 and 5.6-liter clean diesel engines to DaimlerChrysler for light-duty vehicles.” |
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Saber wrote: That would be way to much weight up front for a Wrangler.
Actually, “lightweight diesel” is a new terminology that is being used today to describe the future for Diesels. |
|
| Author: | Guest [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cummins 4.2L and 5.6L |
dieselenthusiast wrote: Ford will be dropping International who makes the Powerstroke in hopes to make their own diesel that next model change.
I thought Navistar built the Powerchoke? |
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cummins 4.2L and 5.6L |
ThunderbirdJunkie wrote: dieselenthusiast wrote: Ford will be dropping International who makes the Powerstroke in hopes to make their own diesel that next model change. I thought Navistar built the Powerchoke? Navistar International Corporation (formerly International Harvester Company) is a manufacturer of International brand. Even though International has been supplying Ford with diesels for a decade, Ford this past year has been suing International due to recalls and other financial reasoning’s. Ford says they will be designing there own diesel engine for the next model change. |
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
The 2009 Nissan Titan will be using Navistar International. Toyota now owns 5.9 percent of Isuzu. Isuzu which makes the Duramax diesel for GM has dissolved its long term commitment with GM. Isuzu still supplies diesel engines for GM’s current trucks, however GM made an agreement with VM Motori to buy a fifty percent stake. The new GM 2.9L V-6 diesel was jointly developed with VM Motori which made the engines for the Jeep Liberty CRD. GM’s powertrain spokesperson said that the new 2009 diesels are now 100% designed by GM and will be built without Isuzu's involvement. GM estimates that the new GM 4.5L diesel in a 1500 Silverado will average around 30 mpg at highway speeds. The 4.5L is being compared to the existing 5.3-liter gas V8 that averages 22-mpg highway. They have plans to put a diesel in the H3 as well. A 5.7L diesel will go into the Corvette. So with all these changes, and competition, I think we’ll start seeing diesel engines pop up in our Jeeps. With the postive relationship that Chrysler has with Cummins, I believe they will expand their diesel market leaving Mercedes behind. The new V6 Cummins is planned to replace the current Grand Cherokee’s Mercedes CRD in 2009. Cummins is now in the process of finishing their factory in which the new Cummins engines is expected to be less expensive than the current Mercedes version and a lot more durable. The Mercedes CRD is temporary until the new Cummins engines are ready to take over. By then, I will be ready to buy a Cherokee! |
|
| Author: | NetworkMD [ Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Thanks for the information, I live not far from the commins plant and have been hearing some rumors for awhile. I am very confident in Cummins diesels. I like the efficency of the diesel and the fact that we could produce some of our own fuel through the Bio programs. |
|
| Author: | indianrefining [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4.2 L Cummins diesel |
dieselenthusiast wrote: Cummins is still saying that they’re testing a 4.2-liter diesel for Chrysler’s light-duty line-up. Makes me wonder if this bad boy wont go into a future Wrangler or Liberty? Any thoughts?
My bet is that the 4.2 V6 will be offered in the Wrangler and the Grand Cherokee, the big brother 5.6 V8 in the Commander (maybe - if the Commander is still around), and the little brother 2.8 I4 in the Liberty. 
|
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | UPDATE: 4.2L IS HERE |
4.2L, V6 Cummins Displacement: 4.2L (256 ci) Configuration: 90-degree V6 Horsepower: 270 at 3,800 rpm Torque: 420 lb-ft at 1,700-3,200 rpm Highway Economy: 25 mpg City Economy: 20 mpg Head Material: Cast Aluminum Block Material: Cast Iron or CGI Bore and Stroke (IN.): 3.70 x 3.94 Valvetrain: SOHC 24 valve Fuel System: High Pressure Common-Rail Turbo: Variable geometry Intercooler: Air-to-Air Engine Weight: 663 lbs. Potential Platform: Jeep Wrangler, Dakota, Durango, Ram 1500, Magnum, Charger, Chrysler 330C |
|
| Author: | Reflex [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Drop that in a Dakota and it would become a far more desireable platform... |
|
| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Here's the sister |
5.6L, V8 Cummins Displacement: 5.6L (342 ci) Configuration: 90-degree V8 Horsepower: 300 at 4,000 rpm Torque: 400 lb-ft at 2,000 rpm Highway Economy: 25 mpg City Economy: 20 mpg Head Material: Cast Aluminum Block Material: Cast Iron or CGI Bore and Stroke (IN.): 3.70 x 3.94 Valvetrain: SOHC 32 valve Fuel System: High Pressure Common-Rail Turbo: Variable geometry Intercooler: Air-to-Air Engine Weight: 788 lbs. Potential Platform: Ram 1500, Durango, Dakota, and may also be the base engine for the Ram 2500 and 3500. |
|
| Author: | bugnout [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
I'll take one of each
I'm really interested in a diesel Wrangler. Lets see how much they add to the sticker for the diesel option. The highway mileage doesn't impress me though. I'd like to see it start at least 30/25 mpg. It will loose some with armor and bigger tires. 25/20mpg means fuel efficiency will be similar to the gasser once loaded up. |
|
| Page 1 of 3 | All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ] |
| Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |
|