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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:20 am 
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Unfortunatly jeep is loosing it's identity with shared plateforms. For along time, jeep ws jeep, and dodge was dodge, not so anymore. Your just buying a dodge that says jeep on it. 65 years of jeep as we knew it is all but gone. The last 2 remaining jeeps were the lib and wrangler built ai the old Toledo jeep plant. Although the kj used chrysler engines, it was it's own vehicle and a jeep, the wrangler still had the straight 6 that they have been using in one form or another since the 60's. The wrangler is all chrysler now, and the lib will be just a rebadged dodge like the compass, jeep is extinct for all practical purposes. Hold on to your 06 wranglers and your 07 kj's, thier the last of any resemblence to a real jeep. From here on out they will be 7 slot grilled dodges.

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As I sat behind a Dodge Durango at a street light, I noticed how similar it was to the KJ and even more so with the future KK.

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To say the least they barrowed the drango's tail lights. The kj is all jeep for the most part, still made in Toledo at the jeep plant where they've been made for 65 years, no other vehicle in the chrysler line up like it. Still has a manual t-case and allthuogh it has ifs, it still has springs in the front instead of torsion bars, still follows the design route of the little cherekee it replaced. Jeep has used other manafacture's engines in the past, so the chrysler v6 is no big deal, plus it's a good engine. The new nitro based lib will be more dodge than jeep, I wouldn't be suprised to see the manual t-case gone. The new 4.0 maybe the bright spot in all this. The lib should would of been a torque monster if it had the old 4.0 I-6, but would need a longer hood hee hee. The diesel made up for that, but now it's gone. I'm no fan of diesels, but it was cool to have that option. The GC was never built at the jeep plant, it's all chrysler, but I liked it, it looked like a jeep, had a straight front axle, could get the 4.0 I-6. They've totally ruined that, it doesn't even look good now. I for one don't like the direction jeep is going, sorry to say, but the patriot is the most jeepish of the new offerings and it's a poser, but it has rugged looks, a nice offroad package and a suito lowrange, but with gas prices the way they are, I can see a need for it in the lineup, but the compass is pushing it. The new wrangler is ok I guess, just not happy with thier motor choice to replace the tried and true I-6, it really could use a 4 cylinder diesel option. The great thing about jeep, that after 65 years, theres so many of them a round, there's enough real jeeps to last a use a life time, nomatter what direction chrysler takes it, "yee ha baby", keep jeepin !!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:29 am 
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Someone caught the new KK uncovered. Check it out. It's a baby Commander now.

http://www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/liberty-2008.html

If you scroll down just past the middle of the page, and scroll side to side (depending on your monitor resolution), there's a great pic of a KJ and KK parked end to end.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:39 am 
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Jeepin Jason wrote:
Someone caught the new KK uncovered. Check it out. It's a baby Commander now.
Now I know I really don't like it.

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At first glance I almost gagged, but I'm hoping the production front end will be a bit different and then it should be fine.

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pssst, Marty, look about 3 posts up. :P


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Overall, the Liberty will incorporate a number of changes and improvements engineered into the Dodge Nitro, while increasing its off-road worthiness.


I think I'm 50/50 on the new design, but I definitely don't see anything that would make it better off road, quite the contrary.

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Doesn't particularly matter to meet what it looks like but I sure so want it to be liftable and run bigger tires. Otherwise its a no fly.

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