I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip.
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| Author: | JeepMonkey190 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Air lockers for the front? |
So some of my friends are telling me to get lockers for the front end of my 2011 KK and I was just wondering if it is worth the time and money for one? And if so which direction would be best? (Like air lockers, manual engaged, or self engaging?) JeepMonkey190 |
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| Author: | Vards [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Bump - I'm also interested in any experience ppl can offer |
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| Author: | Grannysgoat [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
If you are not locked in the rear, (we are not talking the cheezy Jeep trash lock) that would be first. You may find out once you lock the rear that you won't need to lock the front. (unless you are really aggressive off road). I have an Elocker in the front and have used it. However, knowing what I know now I would not have put one in. Love the Detroit Locker in the rear. Also, since your Jeep has the factory traction control system(which works pretty good from what I have seen), you may not see a significant benefit from lockers. |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Grannysgoat wrote: Also, since your Jeep has the factory traction control system(which works pretty good from what I have seen), you may not see a significant benefit from lockers. The biggest advantage would be cooler running brakes offroad.That whole system uses the brakes and at 2-5mph there is not alot of cooling of the brakes.Brake fade or total brake loss is not what you want on most trails out here in Colorado unless you like rolling down a mountain side. |
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| Author: | JeepMonkey190 [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Grannysgoat wrote: If you are not locked in the rear, (we are not talking the cheezy Jeep trash lock) that would be first. You may find out once you lock the rear that you won't need to lock the front. (unless you are really aggressive off road). I have an Elocker in the front and have used it. However, knowing what I know now I would not have put one in. Love the Detroit Locker in the rear. Also, since your Jeep has the factory traction control system(which works pretty good from what I have seen), you may not see a significant benefit from lockers. Wouldn't you want to put lockers in the front so you could use the weight of the motor? And will putting lockers on with the traction control mess with the computer at all? |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
JeepMonkey190 wrote: And will putting lockers on with the traction control mess with the computer at all? No |
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| Author: | JeepMonkey190 [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Cool, Thanks. |
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| Author: | Grannysgoat [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
JeepMonkey190 wrote: Grannysgoat wrote: If you are not locked in the rear, (we are not talking the cheezy Jeep trash lock) that would be first. You may find out once you lock the rear that you won't need to lock the front. (unless you are really aggressive off road). I have an Elocker in the front and have used it. However, knowing what I know now I would not have put one in. Love the Detroit Locker in the rear. Also, since your Jeep has the factory traction control system(which works pretty good from what I have seen), you may not see a significant benefit from lockers. Wouldn't you want to put lockers in the front so you could use the weight of the motor? And will putting lockers on with the traction control mess with the computer at all? I wouldn't without having one in the back also. I would have one in the back rather than the front if I could only do one. (IMO) Think of your self, on a side hill, little rain, which end do you least want to slide sideways? I am also sure others have done it that way and in the end it's what you want to do that matters. If you do, make sure you put in a selectable locker like the ARB or Elocker. |
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| Author: | Ted15 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Ok then, the Detroit locker is fine for the rear. That's what I want to do to mine. I was also advised to go with a selectable locker for the front and I pretty much decided to go with an elocker. What about a trutrac? Would that cause torque steer or some undesirable thing like that to happen? Hey diggerfreak, have you had any issues with yours? Is anyone else running a trutrac up front? I've also been thinking about 4.56 gears and 32" tires but that's another topic. |
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| Author: | Roastbeef [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip.
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| Author: | Ted15 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Roastbeef wrote: I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip. What about with the traction control we have in 4 low? From what I understand, when the brake is applied it starts providing torque to the other wheel. I get our point though, waste of money is what I'm trying to avoid. Did you have it in your jeep? 4x4? Front it rear? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying not to make a mistake again. (had a spacer lift first) Thanks for the info, the elocker is sounding better and better. 
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| Author: | Roastbeef [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Ted15 wrote: Roastbeef wrote: I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip. What about with the traction control we have in 4 low? From what I understand, when the brake is applied it starts providing torque to the other wheel. I get our point though, waste of money is what I'm trying to avoid. Did you have it in your jeep? 4x4? Front it rear? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying not to make a mistake again. (had a spacer lift first) Thanks for the info, the elocker is sounding better and better. No I ran in in the rear of my nissan frontier. I was disappointed because I guess I really didn't know what to expect. I heard lots of people swear by them saying it was the best thing since sliced bread. In my experience I was a little disappointed. It worked well on assvault and sand but when it came to one wheel being off the ground it was like an open diff again. I only had it installed in the rear. Even when I applied the brakes to try to get it to distribute power to the non spinning wheel it wouldn't. I also have experience with E-lockers. I had an elocker in my H3. it was way better than the tru trac but I again only had it installed in the rear. It helped me out of some serious situations and allowed me to wheel on way harder trails. Being it was a factory locker it still had a little play so it wouldn't bind gears and destroy the rear end. |
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| Author: | Roastbeef [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
I also don't think that what we run in our jeeps right now is half bad. I haven't been on super crazy trails because I haven't found any down here but everything I have put it through it has done well. |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Ted15 wrote: Roastbeef wrote: I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip. What about with the traction control we have in 4 low? From what I understand, when the brake is applied it starts providing torque to the other wheel. I get our point though, waste of money is what I'm trying to avoid. Did you have it in your jeep? 4x4? Front it rear? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying not to make a mistake again. (had a spacer lift first) Thanks for the info, the elocker is sounding better and better. The DTT is far from being a waste of money.I ran one up front with a ARB in the rear and loved that combo.The DTT works much better in a front diff then a rear anyways.Sadly now with 35" tires I can not use a DTT so I have ARB's front and rear now. |
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| Author: | Ted15 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
tjkj2002 wrote: Ted15 wrote: Roastbeef wrote: I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip. What about with the traction control we have in 4 low? From what I understand, when the brake is applied it starts providing torque to the other wheel. I get our point though, waste of money is what I'm trying to avoid. Did you have it in your jeep? 4x4? Front it rear? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying not to make a mistake again. (had a spacer lift first) Thanks for the info, the elocker is sounding better and better. The DTT is far from being a waste of money.I ran one up front with a ARB in the rear and loved that combo.The DTT works much better in a front diff then a rear anyways.Sadly now with 35" tires I can not use a DTT so I have ARB's front and rear now. Did you have any trouble steering? I hear they're pretty much invisible in 2wd but what about in 4wd |
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| Author: | Roastbeef [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
tjkj2002 wrote: Ted15 wrote: Roastbeef wrote: I wouldn't waist the money on putting a trutrac in the front. If you are going to drop the dough then I would go with a locker. I had a trutrac and its still just posi, it is an improvement over an open diff but it will still slip. What about with the traction control we have in 4 low? From what I understand, when the brake is applied it starts providing torque to the other wheel. I get our point though, waste of money is what I'm trying to avoid. Did you have it in your jeep? 4x4? Front it rear? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying not to make a mistake again. (had a spacer lift first) Thanks for the info, the elocker is sounding better and better. The DTT is far from being a waste of money.I ran one up front with a ARB in the rear and loved that combo.The DTT works much better in a front diff then a rear anyways.Sadly now with 35" tires I can not use a DTT so I have ARB's front and rear now. Would you still consider it with the ESP system on the KK? When I say waist of money I'm saying after purchase and cost of install its a lot of money to still not be fully locked. Why not just spend the little extra and get the locker |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Ted15 wrote: Did you have any trouble steering? I hear they're pretty much invisible in 2wd but what about in 4wd Zero trouble with steering,even in 4low.At 1st you will feel it and it will return to center faster but after a week or two you will not even notice it at all.Does not wear tires either. Quote: Would you still consider it with the ESP system on the KK? When I say waist of money I'm saying after purchase and cost of install its a lot of money to still not be fully locked. Why not just spend the little extra and get the locker The DTT should work great with the brake lock and traction control in a KK.A auto locker or selectable locker will cause steering issues when locked and the DTT will not when used in a front app.Plus if you have the select trac II t-case that DTT up front will be a true point and shoot type of thing in the snow when in fulltime 4wd. |
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| Author: | Ted15 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
tjkj2002 wrote: Ted15 wrote: Did you have any trouble steering? I hear they're pretty much invisible in 2wd but what about in 4wd Zero trouble with steering,even in 4low.At 1st you will feel it and it will return to center faster but after a week or two you will not even notice it at all.Does not wear tires either. Quote: Would you still consider it with the ESP system on the KK? When I say waist of money I'm saying after purchase and cost of install its a lot of money to still not be fully locked. Why not just spend the little extra and get the locker The DTT should work great with the brake lock and traction control in a KK.A auto locker or selectable locker will cause steering issues when locked and the DTT will not when used in a front app.Plus if you have the select trac II t-case that DTT up front will be a true point and shoot type of thing in the snow when in fulltime 4wd. KJ Willy has the set up I was thinking about, Detroit locker rear and DTT front. I have select trac. Thanks TJKJ for the info. My biggest concern is that my wife occasionally drives my KK and I have a 14 year old boy who MIGHT drive it in a couple years. |
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| Author: | Roastbeef [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
tjkj2002 wrote: Ted15 wrote: Did you have any trouble steering? I hear they're pretty much invisible in 2wd but what about in 4wd Zero trouble with steering,even in 4low.At 1st you will feel it and it will return to center faster but after a week or two you will not even notice it at all.Does not wear tires either. Quote: Would you still consider it with the ESP system on the KK? When I say waist of money I'm saying after purchase and cost of install its a lot of money to still not be fully locked. Why not just spend the little extra and get the locker The DTT should work great with the brake lock and traction control in a KK.A auto locker or selectable locker will cause steering issues when locked and the DTT will not when used in a front app.Plus if you have the select trac II t-case that DTT up front will be a true point and shoot type of thing in the snow when in fulltime 4wd. Do you think it would still cause issues to run a front locker if you did the abs/ ESP kill switch? |
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| Author: | tjkj2002 [ Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Air lockers for the front? |
Ted15 wrote: KJ Willy has the set up I was thinking about, Detroit locker rear and DTT front. I have select trac. Thanks TJKJ for the info. My biggest concern is that my wife occasionally drives my KK and I have a 14 year old boy who MIGHT drive it in a couple years. The rear Detriot would be a bad choice if other drive your Jeep and not properly expecting how it reacts.Granted the Detriot locker is by far the best auto locker and the best forgiving on the street,snow,and ice but can be fun to those who do not know it's back there and what happens and how to drive with it. |
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