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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:30 pm 
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The obsession continues with my gas mileage.
As most of you know, the "newer" KK's have the ECO lamp and green stripe on the rpms up to 2200 rpms or so.
Anyone know why or where Jeep got this specific rpm range from? Is there some sort of graph someone might have to show fuel consumption for this "ECO" rpm range?

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:33 pm 
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I turned mine off so long ago that I forgot that it existed.

It turns on when you are driving in a fuel efficient manner *or* when the iDFSO is in operation.

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:35 pm 
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Marlon_JBT wrote:
I turned mine off so long ago that I forgot that it existed.


Wish I had it on my 2008. I like that stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
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I haven't seen mine in a long time..... :JEEPIN:

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
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Bmxer524 wrote:
I haven't seen mine in a long time..... :JEEPIN:


Lol at least you have one.
I wonder what kind of mileage you could get if you drove around as close to the ECO range as possible.
Been trying hard to improve my mileage lately. It never seems to matter the changes I do.

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
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Gageraid wrote:
Bmxer524 wrote:
I haven't seen mine in a long time..... :JEEPIN:


Lol at least you have one.
I wonder what kind of mileage you could get if you drove around as close to the ECO range as possible.
Been trying hard to improve my mileage lately. It never seems to matter the changes I do.


Honestly never noticed a difference. I mean maybe an extra 10 miles to a tank, but there's times I did that without driving "economically". So that's what about 1mpg difference? Wasn't worth it to drive slower to me lol.

I don't think it's even possible for me to get it to come on anymore. The larger tires killed it. Give me a day or 2, I'll see what I can do though.

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
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I want to know more about it, unless it's just some stupid feature that there isn't anything to know about.
I had bothered Musclez before to see what RPM's it went to in the green area. Kind of weird it doesn't start even lower in the RPM range.

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Gageraid wrote:
I want to know more about it, unless it's just some stupid feature that there isn't anything to know about.
I had bothered Musclez before to see what RPM's it went to in the green area. Kind of weird it doesn't start even lower in the RPM range.


I'll gladly take a pic of the tach for you tomorrow. As far as I know, it's just a stupid indicator that says "ECO ON" when you're driving "economically". When you're not economical it will just say "ECO". Pretty pointless if you ask me. Not having EVIC and only being a Sport, I prefer to know the outside temperature instead of my lousy efficiency lol. Only other evic controls I use(think it's all I can use) is my trips. A is my current gas tank, B is my oil change lol.

Driving around today(pure city, nothing much over 45-50mph), I can't get it on when accelerating. Coasting turns it on. Cruising at 45-50ish it won't it won't turn on unless I let off the gas and let her upshift then use just enough gas to hold the speed and gear.

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 Post subject: Re: ECO Lamp
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Gageraid wrote:
I want to know more about it, unless it's just some stupid feature that there isn't anything to know about.
I had bothered Musclez before to see what RPM's it went to in the green area. Kind of weird it doesn't start even lower in the RPM range.


Since you are so obsessed with trying to get the very best mileage, maybe you need to install a vacuum gauge. Back in the eary 60s some of the cars came with them as an option. I had a 62 Chev with 3 on the tree and overdrive and a factory optional vacuum gauge. Of course you drive by trying to keep the most pressure , maybe worth checking into. I assume they still make them
I'd almost bet that the "Eco" gauge is based somewhat off of the same principal
Just in case you don't fully understand how they work
Vacuum Gauge
Though little understood, the vacuum gauge is probably the best single indicator of your engine's health you can get.

A Little Background
When your car is idling-whether it's fuel injected or carbureted-the throttle plate or plates are restricting the amount of air the engine can breathe in. The pistons are attempting to "suck" the mixture past the throttle. (Of course, in reality, it is atmospheric pressure that is attempting to "push" air into the engine as the pistons travel downward on their intake strokes.) When throttle is closed, vacuum is high in the intake manifold, from the throttle plate(s) to the combustion chambers. By contrast, at wide open throttle there is relatively little restriction to outside air entering the intake manifold, so vacuum in the manifold is very low.

A vacuum gauge reads pressure differences from atmospheric pressure, so the reading is zero in our "normal" sea of air. By convention, vacuum gauges in the US read "inches of Mercury."

Reading the Gauge
Unlike a fuel gauge, the vacuum gauge will keep you entertained with its instantaneous, wide-ranging movements.

When you floor the accelerator pedal, you can watch manifold pressure (another word for vacuum) swing from strongly negative to nearly zero (atmospheric pressure). When your engine is "on the overrun," like using engine braking down a steep hill at high RPM, you'll see really high vacuum readings. Naturally, turbocharged and supercharged will show very different results, with readings swinging into the positive at high speed. IAP's vacuum gauge is not designed for turbo or supercharged vehicles. Your vacuum gauge is also a sort of "poor man's" fuel mileage indicator; when vacuum is low, you are burning more fuel.

Absolute readings are not as useful as changes over time. That is, if you establish baseline readings under a variety of circumstances, you will know what to look for if your engine begins to deviate. Everything else aside, a high vacuum reading tends to indicate a healthy engine.

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Gage, dont you have the scanguage II with the mpg feature?

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tommudd wrote:
Gageraid wrote:
I want to know more about it, unless it's just some stupid feature that there isn't anything to know about.
I had bothered Musclez before to see what RPM's it went to in the green area. Kind of weird it doesn't start even lower in the RPM range.


Since you are so obsessed with trying to get the very best mileage, maybe you need to install a vacuum gauge. Back in the eary 60s some of the cars came with them as an option. I had a 62 Chev with 3 on the tree and overdrive and a factory optional vacuum gauge. Of course you drive by trying to keep the most pressure , maybe worth checking into. I assume they still make them
I'd almost bet that the "Eco" gauge is based somewhat off of the same principal
Just in case you don't fully understand how they work
Vacuum Gauge
Though little understood, the vacuum gauge is probably the best single indicator of your engine's health you can get.

A Little Background
When your car is idling-whether it's fuel injected or carbureted-the throttle plate or plates are restricting the amount of air the engine can breathe in. The pistons are attempting to "suck" the mixture past the throttle. (Of course, in reality, it is atmospheric pressure that is attempting to "push" air into the engine as the pistons travel downward on their intake strokes.) When throttle is closed, vacuum is high in the intake manifold, from the throttle plate(s) to the combustion chambers. By contrast, at wide open throttle there is relatively little restriction to outside air entering the intake manifold, so vacuum in the manifold is very low.

A vacuum gauge reads pressure differences from atmospheric pressure, so the reading is zero in our "normal" sea of air. By convention, vacuum gauges in the US read "inches of Mercury."

Reading the Gauge
Unlike a fuel gauge, the vacuum gauge will keep you entertained with its instantaneous, wide-ranging movements.

When you floor the accelerator pedal, you can watch manifold pressure (another word for vacuum) swing from strongly negative to nearly zero (atmospheric pressure). When your engine is "on the overrun," like using engine braking down a steep hill at high RPM, you'll see really high vacuum readings. Naturally, turbocharged and supercharged will show very different results, with readings swinging into the positive at high speed. IAP's vacuum gauge is not designed for turbo or supercharged vehicles. Your vacuum gauge is also a sort of "poor man's" fuel mileage indicator; when vacuum is low, you are burning more fuel.

Absolute readings are not as useful as changes over time. That is, if you establish baseline readings under a variety of circumstances, you will know what to look for if your engine begins to deviate. Everything else aside, a high vacuum reading tends to indicate a healthy engine.


Wow Tom, that was a long post for you. :jester:
I had a vacuum gauge on my last car, and I prefer the ScanGauge2.

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Gage, dont you have the scanguage II with the mpg feature?


I do. Still messing around with it to see what I like best.
Right now I view instant mpg, current tank mpg, gallons per hour, and throttle position.
One of the most amusing things I've found so far is the tps is a much higher number on a cold start and same with the gph. Pretty obvious I guess, but interesting to actually see.

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Gageraid wrote:
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Gage, dont you have the scanguage II with the mpg feature?


I do. Still messing around with it to see what I like best.
Right now I view instant mpg, current tank mpg, gallons per hour, and throttle position.
One of the most amusing things I've found so far is the tps is a much higher number on a cold start and same with the gph. Pretty obvious I guess, but interesting to actually see.


My wife bought me one for Christmas, just did the setup on the first tank of gas.

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John3:17 wrote:
Gageraid wrote:
John3:17 wrote:
Gage, dont you have the scanguage II with the mpg feature?


I do. Still messing around with it to see what I like best.
Right now I view instant mpg, current tank mpg, gallons per hour, and throttle position.
One of the most amusing things I've found so far is the tps is a much higher number on a cold start and same with the gph. Pretty obvious I guess, but interesting to actually see.


My wife bought me one for Christmas, just did the setup on the first tank of gas.


Have fun with it.

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The ECO is basically a dumbed down vacuum gauge. It reads ECO ON when you would be in the green range of the Vac gauge. The green stripe on the tach corresponds to your torque peak at lowest RPM. If all things are normal, in theory, you should be able to get your best MPG with the ECO ON and the rpms near the top of that green line in OD. Ive noticed it'll get you around 45 to 50 MPH on straight, flat, no wind stretches. Handy to know if you find yourself low on gas with a long distance to fuel.

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DREDnot wrote:
The ECO is basically a dumbed down vacuum gauge. It reads ECO ON when you would be in the green range of the Vac gauge. The green stripe on the tach corresponds to your torque peak at lowest RPM. If all things are normal, in theory, you should be able to get your best MPG with the ECO ON and the rpms near the top of that green line in OD. Ive noticed it'll get you around 45 to 50 MPH on straight, flat, no wind stretches. Handy to know if you find yourself low on gas with a long distance to fuel.


What kind of gearing do you have? When I was stock, I came right out of the green zone(and pretty much killing the eco light) right around 70mph. I think 67 or 68 is where it got iffy.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:22 am 
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Try driving with the RPMs as close to the top of the green line as you can while modulating the throttle to keep the ECO ON lit and back off the throttle to the edge of where you begin to lose speed. See what speed you get. That should get you the best fuel mileage. Everyones combo will get different steady state speeds.

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