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 Post subject: Daystar 1,5"/2" spacer lift on '02 CRD
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:58 am 
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>>> I have a pre-lowered KJ so maybe things can be fitted easier on later models.

Ok, so we established that the Daystar is the best budget lift and I do have to agree on that.
The material is excellent. So does the end result! Fitting instructions can be confusing at times :p
http://www.daystarweb.com/%5Cimages%5Cinstructions/KJ/P10527.pdf

All this for around $200 or less is a bargain. And with very good results. Let's start with the
rear:

1) Jack up rear of the car and place stands under the chassis. Leave jack under rear axle. Take of the wheels.

2) Remove upper shock bolt, if you also want to change shock boots that come with the kit remove entire shock. This is the original setup ( shock already removed ), be careful not to stress the rear brake hose.

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3) Remove the 4 bolts of the stabilizer bar.

4) Now its time to take of the springs (or as you call them in the US: coils ). In the manual it says you 'may' need to use spring compressors, forget about the 'may', you need them on a CRD. Why? The spring gets stuck on the bump stop and is really long when not compressed. Forget about the other info you might have red about 'pushing the axle down' it just didn't go any further

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5) Compress the spring a little and take it out.

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6) Take of the original spacer and fit the Daystar puck. Clean axle if necessary. Compress spring even more and refit.

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7) Move to the other side and do the same, only you'll never get the spring refitted without doing this: jack up axle on the other side.

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8) If you want you can fit the supplied shockboots on your stock shocks, if you're gonna run mud I would advise to fit them. Wedge of the hard plastic original ones and grease up upper part of shock, then pull rubber boot over it. With a little TLC it will fit.

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9) Refit the shocks, torque everything to specs and you're done.

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10) Refit your wheels, lower the jack and look: a dragster..wow, now how much lift it gives ya :D

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Just one remark though, in the original setup the spring leans on the axle when under heavy load. On the Daystar it doesn't, the spring will slide over the spacer. Now is this to give us more flex / not stiffen up the ride to much?

EDIT: probably, ride is much better now, rear end used to be as hard as a rock.

The bump stop goes trough the hole in the spacer to bump on its original axle stud.

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Ok, let's move to the front....which is more complicated.

1) Depending on which side you start take out the airbox ( easy ) or the battery and its support ( little more complicated ). I started at the battery side. Take out the battery. Then you see the support that is fitted with 3 nuts and holds a bunch of cables and the fuse/relays box. The fuse/relays box can be snapped out easily. Snap out the cable holders. Now remove the 3nuts. Beware: in the centre of mine there was a cable connected to a sensor ( the 'you just lost your battery' sensor ?) you can easily clip it of.

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2) Remove the battery support plate. Now we see the 4 nuts holding the strut and the front diff breather. Rip it of and take of the 4 nuts.

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3) Now move to the suspension. ( take of the wheel first ) Loosen the upper control arm ball joint. I have a special tool to loosen it, a couple of bangs with a hammer should also do the trick. Be careful with the front brake hose, when you loosen the ball joint the hub and brake calliper are hanging on it.
I also disconnected the front stabilizer bar so the lower control arm could be lowered with more ease.

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4) Remove the clevis bolts and take the strut out.

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4A) On the other side: take out the airbox : loosen the hose clamp, take of the hose.
Pull it upward, it’s fitted in rubbers. Two of the strut nuts are hidden under the power steering reservoir bracket. Remove the 3 nuts and the bolt holding the reservoir and take the bracket out. Now you can remove the 4 strut nuts.

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5) Now comes the scary part, we are going to compress an take of the springs. For all you DIY guys out there, if you do not feel up to this or you don't have the right tools: don't do it, a spring that heavy can kill you! Take both struts to a shop and have them fit the front spacers.

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I ended up using 4 spring compressors, with 2 I couldn't get it compressed enough.
Keep the topnut fitted untill you've compressed spring as far as it has to go, then take it of.

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6)Remove the top plate and spacer, take spring of and place it somewhere out of the way. Cut the shockboot, hammer of the washer. Don't throw it away, you are going to need it later. Remove bottom spacer, clean strut.

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Fit Daystar spacer, making sure notches align. Fit new shokboot with new washer that comes with the kit. Fit oem washer on top of that. Replace spring. Use some lube so spring slides over spacer more easy. Refit top spacer and top plate, hand tighten nut.

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Surprise, the Daystar spacer places spring in another position so the top plate will also. If you fit it like this you will never get the clevis on straight due to the alignment notch.

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Here's the solution, mark the top plate, after making sure it's in the right spot as where it was fitted before, you can tell that from the imprints the studs make in the rubber. Then rotate it 30mm in a clockwise direction. Now your back on track. Tighten top nut.

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Do not remove your spring compressors before, the top plate cannot move if the spring is pushing against it.


7) Refit everything and torque to specs. Enjoy your lifted KJ. Now I think this is what it should have looked like when it rolled out the factory.

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Saludos, Tony

EDIT: Now get your headlights adjusted and a front wheel alignment.

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had same problem,we compressed as far as we could and 2 of us push everything together while someone put on nut with washer,if you took to garage where they have a press ,they could do it for you
if i was to do it again,would go heaver springs instead if daystar or any other lift kit as would have been easier
when finished,will be worth it,for me it was

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Ok, finished today, will post pics asap...

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bravo! Looks great.

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Thanks, and diesel rocks!

Edit 11-02: updated howto. Hope it's useful.

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That's a very nice how-to tony!

It makes me want to do it to my KJ too. That lift is priced just right, which is my largest problem with the OME springs/shocks :D

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Thanks :D nice to hear that.

On the price: that's what I thought Uffe, only thing is that this kit ofcourse does not much more then give you bigger clearance, it has nothing to do with the OME one.

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Correct! And I think you should also buy longer rear shocks when doing this spacer lift...

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Yes, sorry I forgot that, go with Rancho RSX 17004.

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 Post subject: I don't like it anymore....
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Ok so I've been running this lift for a year now and here are my findings:

IF YOU GO WHEELIN A LOT DO NOT FIT THESE ON YOUR CRD!

The ride changes dramaticaly because your front springs are now compressed and so are a lot stiffer then they used to be. Therefore travel is limited and coil binding is eminent. Making a nice 'BANG' noise: end of coil travel, UCA cannot reach bumpstop.

It works great on blacktop and smooth stuff but if you go rock climbing...this will rattle your bones. And your KJ's front suspension parts suffer the consequences. Due to me banging away the oem springs have sagged badly. Tried adjusting with a 3/8 clevis lift and it sagged back to almost stock hight and the coils are now almost touching eachother. So far for the front.

My OEM rear shocks are dead. But that was to be expected, if you raise the rear coils 2" the poor shocks have 2" less extention travel and so the slightest speed bump make them top out, doing 'BANG' also.

If you use your KJ as a DD on the highway this is the lift for you. If you like going into the rough stuff save your money and get a full coil kit.

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Great write up Tony. I hope that this question isn't totally stupid, but: How does this lift compress the springs more than the factory spacers? From what I understand of this type of lift, the Daystar spacer simply gives additional height under the spring, compared to the factory spacers. The weight on the springs and extension of the springs still look the same.The shock is extended slightly past normal but, I wouldn't think that that would pull down on the spring. With extended bump stops, the springs shouldn't ever be over loaded beyond what they would normally be exposed to in the OE setup. What am I missing?

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The front puck goes inside the coilover. Since the 1,5" kit doesn't come with the extended topplates of the 2,5" Daystar kit.....you compress the spring like if you were running 2 arb front bumpers. Before it's even under your KJ...

Does that clear things up a little?

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 Post subject: Re: Daystar 1,5"/2" spacer lift on '02 CRD
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I own LT245/70R16/D BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO tires and have my heart set on the Unique Wheels Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window rims (16x7 rim size, 5x4.5 bolt pattern, 0 offset, and 4 backspacing). However, they rub with my stock suspension. Thus, I am considering lifting my KJ to make them fit properly.

How do you justify your statement, "Ok, so we established that the Daystar is the best budget lift and I do have to agree on that."? Do you hear the 'BANG' noise, that you describe, when you cruise the streets or only when you go wheelin'? If I only drive blacktop, do you think my OEM springs will sag and my OEM rear shocks will become dead? You also state, "The ride changes dramaticaly... and so the slightest speed bump make them top out". Daystar uses polyurethane material in its leveling kits because it's an insulator. It absorbs the noise, vibration, and harmonics (NVH) that come from the suspension and avoids transmitting them to the passenger compartment. Thus, I would assume the ride is not horrible...

I am considering installing the Daystar Comfort Ride Polyurethane Coil Spacer Lifts (2.5" Front/2.5" Rear) [http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DYS-KJ09116BK/] because: 1) It is cost efficient 2) I do not plan on going off road; strictly street use 3) Solely lifting to make Unique Wheels Series 252 Black Street Lock "D" Window rims [16x7 rim size, 5x4.5 bolt pattern, 0 offset, and 4 backspacing] fit properly (and of course for the badass look :wink: ). The maximum recommended tire size with this lift kit is 245/75/16. Do you think this lift kit will allow for these rims to fit properly with my LT245/70R16/D BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO tires and not rub?

Thanks in advance for your help!


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 Post subject: Re: Daystar 1,5"/2" spacer lift on '02 CRD
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i used the daystar 2'' kit for my kj,i can but 145/70/16 so you probly be ok with 245/75/16,if i had too do again,i do springs because when shocks go,the spacer are hard too compress compared too spring setup,so thats only con i see,other wise a good kit,had no problems with,maybe helps you a little

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 Post subject: Re: Daystar 1,5"/2" spacer lift on '02 CRD
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Better late then never I guess, sorry about that.

If you are fitting the 2.5" kit you get the extended topplates so that's an whole other story then the CRD recommended lift. Daystar is a good product, it just didn't work for me.

Now, 245/75/16 will fit but you'll probably have to bang the pinch weld and modify the front end of the inner wheel wells.

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 Post subject: Re: Daystar 1,5"/2" spacer lift on '02 CRD
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Just from the looks of it 30x9.50 15 tire will fit and opens up lots of choices for good tires, 31x10.50 might be to wide. Original I was going to use the bfg ko 30's I purchased and pacer black rims ordered 15x7 with zero offset. However they delivered 15x8s with negative offset. So I asked about lifts and no one seems to be doing them on CRDs or liberty's and bagged whole idea. Now tires have gone through roof bummer should have held onto them $550 with tires including rims!


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