After I drove my CRD cross country and back, it's been running better since new. 11,500 miles and only had the recall BM flash and getting rear brake moan TSB done Tuesday. Maybe it should have the F31 and F23 recalls done too but I feel no sence doing it if no problem. I believe WTF should get another dealer because it the gasser needs a flash, they can burn the TCM it that too. Not diesel engine related anyway, all vehicles have computers that can be flashed and fried.

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2006 Black Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
K&N, Samco Hoses, Michelin 245/70-16 LTX A/T2, Fumoto F-102, V-Force Muffler, Mopar, Hitch, Trailer Wiring, Skid Plates, Slush Mats, Rear Shelf, Predator Stage 1, Transgo, ORM & CodeReader, Facet 40109 Pump
"IT'S A DIESEL THING, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND"
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This has been a confusing thread. If the dealer screwed up the reflash.....how is that the fault of the CRD? Sorry, I just have not been able to connect the dots on this one.

Tech screwed up and....

Dealer makes money on the repair
Dealer will make about $2,000 on the CRD
Dealer made about $2,000 on the new Libby

Sounds like the tech should get a bonus.

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2006 Libery Sport CRD, Lt Kakhi, nicely equipped
*****GDE Hot Tune at 38,879 miles
*****Stock TC.....for the time being!!

Hi Litton,

The problem is not so much the dealer, or even the recall, but the fact that CRD specific parts, other than oil filters, are becoming impossible to get. Check out some of the post where people are waiting 2+ weeks for a T.C. If something breaks on a gasser, it's generally available.

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2006 CRD Beta Site.

No offense, but I'll only be in your rearview mirror until your EGR, or TC fails. Then you'll be in mine as I'm towing you to the dealer.

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2006 CRD Beta Site.

Now that is a hoot. Now settle down and don't start throwing rock's at each other. There are other forum's or section here for that stuff.

I was talking with the tech the other day about the CRD tranny problems and he said they haven't had any CRD's with tranny issues, but a have seen quite a few of gasser Liberty's with tranny (shifting problems & TC failures) problems. Seems it was same as ours, improper filters and fills from what he told me. The improper fills part caused me to raise my eyebrows, and inquire as to what he was talking about but he would not say any more.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

FYI, the tranny issues have also been prevalant in the GC's. I believe the recalls for flushing, filters, etc. are the same. Also, the shudder has also been noted in the GC with 4.7 and 5.7. These are not CRD issues but the low rpm torque may make it more severe.....just a guess.

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2006 Libery Sport CRD, Lt Kakhi, nicely equipped
*****GDE Hot Tune at 38,879 miles
*****Stock TC.....for the time being!!

Rear disks have been around since 2003 or 2004 I believe but all the CRD's had them in North America.

Sorry about your ride. Hope this one makes you happier. Just remember that the Liberty gasser has the same computers and also requires periodic re-flashes. If your dealer can't deal with the re-flash of the CRD they will do no better with the gasser. As others have said, get a new dealer.

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Dave

'06 CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki, MOPAR Slush Mats/Skids, DrawTite Front Hitch, Mag Lite, Yakima Bars, Thule Bike Rack, Fumoto, ORM, 245/70 Revo 2

Wish list: Lift, Boulder Bars, Something Bigger in the Front and Back, More Lights

ON,

An improper fill or a bad filter does not explain a redesigned TC, pump, and front housing. I'm hoping mine will blow up so I can at least get the tranny replaced or lemon the POS. Obviously if I had one that got 30 mpg highway without the tranny issues I'd be happy.......

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2005 Liberty Limited CRD

It could if they were laboring under wrong info. I know, I know, not very likely. I think a lot of us here have tunnel vision and forget that there has been a problem with the tranny across the product line, not just the CRD alone. Maybe the problem is the inability of the electronic's of the ECM & TCM to work together properly, is it D/C can't figure out how to match tranny shifting with engine requirements for some reason? Of course if you can't do that then the easy fix is to beef up the tranny and keep the fingers crossed it makes it passed warranty period and first ownership/lease.

One thing I will say is that when I hear how some here are always trying to drive at TC lock up point, sometimes it just sounds like the driving habits are just as much a problem. They are poking at a chink in the armor so to speak and eventually it does cause a problem.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

CRD's came with out disc brakes? Learn something new every day.

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'06 White Limited CRD born on 08/05 37k miles F37'd
mods:: vented, exhausted, ORM, cat 2, Lifted
Other Rides:: CJ7 Limited, and many bikes

ECM and TCM: Bingo. the software stinks, and they don't care enough to fix it. We have even heard that the way DC hooked the computers together (piggybacking one controller on top of another) is a violation of the standard that they say they comply with. They have attempted to get around this by using kludged programming to mask the fact that these computers are piggybacked. This kludged programming apparently got messed up during one of the flashes-- causing the data link needed to comply with EPA emissions regs to fail entirely. And what were these flashes supposed to fix? Tranny issues. I smell a class action lawsuit or some attorney general involvement here. What we need is a petition. I bet if we started one and got word over to edmunds we could get thousands of replies for the tranny and the EGR issues. I will volunteer to send the petition to every attorney general where the CRD was sold. Is anyone with me? Can we get a sticky? If we get a lawyer it would be telling to get the actual number of CRD's that have gone in for EGR's and transmissions under warranty. The case on the EGR would be very solid, I doubt 50% of the vehicles sold will make it out of warranty without a EGR valve. That is B.S. I would also not be surprised if the transmission failure rate numbers are a couple orders of magnitiude higher than the normal failure rate for new vehicles.

As for the TC lock up point, how is it our fault that we drive at 55-65 on the road? Is that not the posted speed limit on half the roads in this country? So on my two lane road I take to the interstate every morning-- I should either speed up to 67 (not possible with traffic in front of me) and risk getting a speeding ticket or I should slow down and tick off everyone behind me during rush hour? All this because DC designed a transmission that is "special" and if I don't drive accordingly, I am somehow part of the "problem". Huh?

At this point I don't think DC is actually going to fix the real problems, so we need to play hardball and put pressure on them to:

1. Replace and recall the EGR valve with one that can demonstrate a 100,000 mile or greater MTBF in a Liberty CRD application on LSD fuel.
2. Offer every CRD owner the option of replacing the tranny with the 6 speed manual.
3. Pay the customer for being a beta tester and for product misrepresentation (saying the product is compliant with electronic and computer specs it is clearly not compliant with and which cause EPA certification issues as well as longevity issues).
4. At the customers option, buy back the vehicle at what the customer paid for it.

I love my CRD, but this is plain wrong.

If only those two miracles could happen to the CRD I'd be so thrilled.

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Thanks,
Ken Jennings
2006 KJ Limited 4x4 CRD, Option Pkg G, Lt. Khaki, Built 1 Feb 2006
Tow Package for myself, EVIC TPM
Side Curtain Airbags for my daughter
http://www.kenjennings.cc/crd/dieselexp.html

Road speed vs. shift point programming has a lot to do with transmission durability. Anyone that works around heavy vehicles using an Allision automatic know the drill, control the upshifting and gear hunting or you will be buying a new transmission shortly. Unfortunately (unlike Allision) DC did not give us a shift controller capable of selectively locking out the 2nd overdrive for 55-60 mph urban expressway driving. What is more dissappointing is the lack of a economy/performance mode control so you have some control over the shift response. This is another Allison feature, something easily done with an entirely electronic controlled transmission. Even my old '96 Toyota had that feature.

And you are correct, this vehicle is quickly heading toward a class-action situation. I'm sure that DC's army of beancounters already has their warranty and buyback losses calculated. Personally not interested in approaching this under a class action as I can likely do better for myself under basic warranty & extended warranty and consumer laws in my state.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

That 14MPG number sounds like someone with a heavy foot.

This is coming from someone who has tons of experience with the 3.7L Liberty. 4000RPM ALL THE TIME anyone?

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Me - '17 KL Trailhawk 4x4, Rhino, P245/65R17 Destination A/Ts, Stock Skids, waiting for mods...
Sis - '18 Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4 - Black - Dents - Scratches - STOCK

1. A permanent fix for the EGR is just around the corner. (block off and disable)
2. I want that bad.
3. I'd take that but would rather #4.
4. I would take this too. I paid pretty much full sticker for mine. $32k out the door. It has 4000 miles on it and is worth $22k. I want ALL my money back.

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2006 CRD

Ha. Man, you are a dealer's best friend. Because of their incompetence they stick you with a new gas Liberty which you take the hit for, they make out on a CRD which is more valuable and then you come on this site talking smack about CRD's?

You demonstrated your vast level of know how on the Liberty family with the "my '07 has rear disc brakes he hee har har"

Yeah, they have had those for awhile bucko.

I have had 9,000 trouble free miles on my CRD, had the tranny flash and my dealer knows what they are doing. That is the difference. Just because you are uninformed and too incompetent to battle the crappy dealer doesn't mean you need to start bashing the CRD.

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2005 Liberty CRD

OK...enuff of the back and forth...I think the comment of 1 Gasser KJ on the road is worth more than 11,000 in the garage was made partly in jest. It was also made form "his" frame of reference...had a CRD that his dealer could not service properly. Some people are not up on how each year is equipped and may not be as mechanically inclined as others.

The funny thing is it is no use to try to push the CRD on anyone since DC doesn't even make them anymore . Personally, I traded a gasser for the diesel and have loved the move. I haven't had any problem YET and have my fingers crossed.

I think running the EHM all the way to the Exhaust and the EGR Blocking Plate will be our only remedies for a while...DC is not going to spend much $$$ on research for a fix on a limited production vehicle. We really need to find out what they are doing in Europe...see what problems they might be having...get some ideas.

I am one who really doesn't want my dealer to do any flashes on my CRD....runs good now and gets good mpg. If I have tranny problems (or maybe before ), I will probably get the Trans Go Kit, better pump and maybe a different TC with a stall speed change.

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Founder of L.O.S.T.
2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

I didn't mean to cause a stink... just venting a bit. As for rear drums vs. discs, I must have been drunk the last time I looked. However, I am pretty sure that my new Jeep is black. I'll double check once I sober up.

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2006 CRD Beta Site.

History- wife wrecked 20005 Columbia Edition bought in Feb 2005 in Sept 2005. Bought CRD for better fuel mileage.

27k miles and no problems -love the fuel mileage and passing gassers up the PA, WV and MD mountians.

Best gas mileage ever was 19 and best diesel mileage at 29.

Paid $1000 more for CRD over gas model.

I almost like it as much as my Ford 350 DRW Powerstroke 7.3.

Yeah then you have guys like me that bought an early CRD (built April 2005) and put over 20,000 HARD miles on it, driving off-road on rough trails, towing way over the limit, occasional racing, etc....and I never ever had one single tranny or EGR problem. CRD is bulletproof to me.

Point is, some have trouble, some don't. Just like every other vehicle on the lot. The CRD Liberty is by no means junk just because a few people had some problems. It's still the only reason to buy a Liberty.

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2005 Stone White KJ Limited CRD 4x4
Off-Road Pkg
Trac-Lok
Emu 790s/948s
Skyjacker H7088s rear/Bilsteins front
15x7 Black Rock Lobos/31x10.50 Firestones
GDE HOT Tune + TCM Tune
Euro TC
CB radio
Thrush Turbo muffler
AEM DryFlow filter