I guess that will depend on why it broke again.

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2006 Liberty Limited CRD Bright Silver Metallic (NOW SOLD)
All Recalls Performed
100k extended warranty
Fumoto Oil Drain Valves (Oil Pan & Transfer Case)
V6 Airbox Mod
New Driveshaft, New EGR
2003 Wrangler Sport 4.0L, Bright Blue
2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited 4 Door, Red Rock Crystal Pearl WOW!!!

I'm glad it actually says something about a loaner car, especially considering the magnitude of the work that (might) have to be done. Keep us posted.

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Let me elaborate as here are the parts lists:

A. Torque Converter
Part Number CECAF370
1 - Torque Converter

B. Authorized Modification label
Part Number 04275086AB
1 - Label

C. Transmission Pump Kit (only if you pass the stupid noise test)
Part Number CECAF371
1 - Pump, Transmission oil
1 - Cover, Transmission front
1 - Filter, transmission pan sump
1 - Filter, transmission cooler return
2 - "O" Ring, A/C line
1 - Integral A/C Condenser/Transmission Oil Cooler


Here is verbatim the procedure to qualify for Pump and all other goody replacement:

Section A. Vehicle Inspection

1. If the malfunction Indicator Lamp is set, retrieve the vehicle DTCs as follows:
a. Connect the CH9404 StarSCAN vehicle cable to the StarSCAN and the vehicle.
b. From the "Home" screen, select "System View".
c. Record all DTC's as shown.

2. Perform the torque converter test as follows:
a. Place the transmission selector in PARK (or NEUTRAL).
b. Apply the parking brakes.
c. Start the engine.
d. Step outside of the vehicle and listen for any unusual noise from the torque converter area.

3. Based on the results noted in Step 2, if the vehicle exhibits one or both of the following issues, continue to Section C - Transmission Flush, Torque Converter and Pump Replacement. Very few vehicles are expected to require this repair to be performed.
--> Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is illuminated with a DTC code of P0740.
--> The torque converter exhibits a rattle like noise in neutral or park.

4. If the vehicle exhibits neither of the issues listed in Step 3, continue with Section B - Torque Converter Replacement.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

possibly if it was a govt. mandated or reported recall, this is not, thus the Cust. Satisfaction moinker on the notice to us but in the DC system as a "recall". DC fully expects this fix will get them past our warranty periods. Don't expect DC to foot the bill if te new TC bites the dust at 71,000 miles for a 2005 or 37,000 miles on 2006

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

This is such Horse SH*$ that I just can't stop thinking about it. We all know the pump is a crappy design and it WILL implode and we WILL be back in the shop all over again, but the 2006 owners will be screwed without the 7/70 warranty.

I know there is a better pump, just fix this thing now so I can take my family camping next year and not get stranded!

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Here are some more goodies right off the first page:

Effective immediately all repairs on involved vehicles are to be performed according to this notification. Service Bulletins #21-009-06 and #18-023-06 have been cancelled.

Models:

2005-2006 (KJ) Jeep Liberty

NOTE: This notification applies only to the above vehicles equipped with a 2.8L diesel engine ("5" in the 8th VIN position) and automatic transmission (sales code DGQ) built through November 2, 2006 (MDH 110214).

Subject:

The transmission torque converter on about 11,200 of the above vehicles may fail. This can cause a rattling sound in the neutral or park positions and/or illuminate the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL). Continued operation can result in transmission damage.



Looks like it applies to all of them, notice the date!

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Gerald, my transmission and transfer case have been out so many times that I can repeat the process in my sleep.
Yes the transfer case will come out as well as the transmission. If the techs are not careful with removing the shafts, they will blow an input or output seal on the transfer case and then you will have to come back to have that replaced as transmission fluid will begin to form "tear drops" on the lowest bolt of the transfer case.

However, replacing the pump regardless of "noise test" results is the right thing to do. I'm sure you remember that the pump has been redesigned. If your techs at the dealership are hurting for work, then it will be advantageous for them to replace the pump because at least warranty work pays something rather than being idle.
The only reason that they would not want to replace this is if they had non-warranty work on their plate waiting for them with other customers as they get a higher rate for that work. Depending on your relationship with the techs this may be a non-issue and they may be intending replace the pump anyway.

If the pump is removed so will the clutch pack and you can have them inspect items such as the sun, ring and carrier gears along with the clutch plates.
I actually took days off work to witness this whole process under the hoist and in the service bay when my tranny went south.

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2005 Black CRD Limited w/105,000 miles
Mann Provent 200, Airbox Mod, ORM Mod
New 545RFE, TC & Redesigned pump @ 25,020 miles
New EGR Flow Control Valve @ 25,020 miles
New Transfer Case input/output seals @ 32,787 miles
SEGR Kit @ 52,000 miles
SunCoast TC and Transgo Shift Kit @ 52,000 miles

Here is the breakdown of labor allowed to be charged:

Replace Torque Converter & reprogram the ECM/TCM(2005) 4.5 Hours
(2006) 5.4 Hours.

Replace Torque Converter (ECM/TCM previously updated) 2.8 Hours.

Replace transmission oil pump, filters, and A/C condenser/TOC unit 1.2 Hours.


As for having a "relationship with the tech" to get the right repair done - I have none as I can not take any more time off of work. It really irks me that we have to suck up to every individual tech/SA to get the right thing done. This recall should be all or nothing, not options B or C based on a perceived noise.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Just spent about 45 mins with Christine at the DC recall center on the phone, at first they told me if I did not have this "warranty recall" prformed then I would be invalidating my vehicle warranty. I asked for them to provide me that in writing. On hold for 20 mins. to then be told, " No sir, I was wrong, the work needs to be done to prevent damage to your transmission, however you will not invalidate the warranty if you choose not to". I then asked if I can wait untill such time as I have transmission problems, then get it done, answer "yes sir, as long as your vehicle is still under warranty".

This conversation clearly defines that DC is doing the F37 so that our CRD's don't trash the TC and tranny along with it WHILE IN THE WARRANTY PERIOD, leading to much more expensive repairs than just changing out the TC. Thi whole program is designed to save them money, not actually fix our vehicles.

My advice, don't get F37 done until you can pass the front pump test. Then you'll get the new TC, Front pump and tranny properly examined for damage and any repairs done. Being an early bird will most likely get you just a new TC now for free and down the road you'll be paying for new everything. The procedure is SLOWING down the damage being done but not fixing the real underlying issues of a poor design for a tranny mated to the VM 2.8 that produce much more low end torque than the tranny/Tc was designed for or ever used with.

I suspect this is why 2006 CRD's that have the new design front pump aren't involved, even with the same TC as the 2005's the extra flow will slow the damage beyond the 36,000 mile warranty in the majority of cases. Simpe math. Heck, my 2005 with both old pump and TC is at 30,400 miles with no clicking, just a buck or two at 55-60 now and then and hasn't stalled since the last flash.

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

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You'll need a GREAT relationship to get the front pump done, it will take more than 1.2 hours to do the job.

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

I will be checking my vin as soon as I get home, I will be happy to see if they are all covered.

Now what will set the P0740 code again

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

been reading every single post. Glad we finally get some results from people who know there stuff and got the recall done. As long as they dont intend to replace everything, including the pump, Im probably not going to get the F37 recall done.

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2005 CRD Sport
Mods: Glasspack, OME HD Struts & Springs, 2" Daystar lift,
255/70/16 General Grabber AT2's on MOAB's
ORM&EHM with great success!
TJM T17 Bumper, 50W KC HID's

Wow this thread is gaining gravity of its own!.

So at what point did they put in a new style pump ?, my build date is Dec 13/05 and is excluded from F37, but yet has the 5 in 8th position of VIN.

-G

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2006 CRD Limited, Manfufactured Dec 13/05

Well, I'm going to be pulling this camper all over the country in the next few years and it's 4000lbs when fully loaded. I'm willing to bet I'll be back for another TQ AND Pump before my 7/70 powertrain is up.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

In my case I would expect DCX to replace my TC as I already have 30,250 miles on my '06. For the TC (that was voluntarily replaced due to a known or suspected defect) to break again in less than 6k would be cause to say that the problem was never really addressed.

I know what you are saying however. I wouldn't expect DCX to replace the replacement TC after a certain amount of miles as they would claim it was reasonable wear and tear.

That's where the lawyers make their money. They argue what "reasonable" is.

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2006 Liberty Limited CRD Bright Silver Metallic (NOW SOLD)
All Recalls Performed
100k extended warranty
Fumoto Oil Drain Valves (Oil Pan & Transfer Case)
V6 Airbox Mod
New Driveshaft, New EGR
2003 Wrangler Sport 4.0L, Bright Blue
2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited 4 Door, Red Rock Crystal Pearl WOW!!!

Hey alljeep, nice looking KJ! I like the lift.

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2006 Liberty Limited CRD Bright Silver Metallic (NOW SOLD)
All Recalls Performed
100k extended warranty
Fumoto Oil Drain Valves (Oil Pan & Transfer Case)
V6 Airbox Mod
New Driveshaft, New EGR
2003 Wrangler Sport 4.0L, Bright Blue
2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited 4 Door, Red Rock Crystal Pearl WOW!!!

Thanks! It may not run great right now, but I do like how it looks. In the picture is has 350lbs of tongue weight on the back causing a measured 2" sag in the rear springs. I may, or may not, get a WD hitch as it towed just fine on the maiden voyage home.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Either they will all be oficiallly recalled as implied by the actual F37 text, or there is a typo in the F37 text where the cutoff date of manufacture is November 2, 2006. But they also state a quantity of 11,200 affected units and I though that was all of them...

Maybe it's a phased roll out.

As for the pump, none of us have it except for DZL_LOU and a few rare lucky others that have had it replaced. See the CRD Announcement/Sticky section. For this transmission, a running change was made for all model year 2007 vehicles that use this transmission - a nice, beefy redesigned pump.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

cerich,

You didn't happen to ask for that latter part in writing too, did you?

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George Reiswig
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD
Suncoast, SEGR, lift, InMotion tune, homebrew B100
At 138k, new head & gasket, timing belt, rockers and swearing vocabulary

sure did, they"couldn't do that, you'll get the notice in the mail".

They are sneaky buggers for sure....

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki