We'll see how they do on Monday. I am scheduled to go in and have the recall. I bought the extended warranty, so they automatically give me a rental car, no questions asked.

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96 XJ
Stock for Now

One day for pump and TQ with 1/2 hour to spare, even tried twice for the flash to work, will probably have the
ECM replaced with the flash in it--I feel for AllJeep, 5 days in the shop, parts there and no one worked on it, etc.
I am a long drive from most of you, but I am sure they would work on your Jeep. 200 mile test ride today doing
some shopping, will keep you posted.

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2005 Silver Limited CRD 53,000 miles
GDE EcoTune / Trans tune
PML Differential Cover/Crankcase Mod
Tal & Hadas Grill Guard/TransGo Shift Kit
V-6 AirBox/Lunar Boost & EGT
Lund Cold Weather Grill Insert
OEM updated Filter Head, Cummins Lift Pump

Procedure to get new pump along with new TC

Park CRD on a fairly good incline, nose down and back up. Set parking brake and shut her down. Let cool completly (sit a few hours). Start her up, release parking brake and being cautious aggressivly put the pedal to the floor in REVERSE. You will thus trash your TC and some other stuff as well....

Call and get the CRD towed to dealer.

BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!

If you let it cool down and drain well the pump won't be able to get trany fluid where it needs to be, so your hitting your dry TC with all the massive torque the VM 2.8 can produce.

Sorry DC, don't blame me for pointing this out, blame your engineers for not being able to deliver what you sold, an offroad "trail rated" 4x4 JEEP.

The other option is have a great dealer that is also sick of seeing you.... or like mine actually have the rattle...

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

Hmmm

Doggy performance I already have - that lunge forward performance is long gone
Shudder I have had since the first week of ownership

If this doesn't fix the shudder, then it seems to me DC has failed to address the sub-standard transmission performance.
Looks like the TransGo kit is still on for liftoff once I have the remaining recalls done. I wonder if I still have to have the F31 recall done? I don't see any way to avoid it if I take it in for the balljoint and F37 recalls. My ECM/TCM has been flashed so many times I'm getting a little concerned. But, if I follow my wait for the next TSB/Recall de jour, in a couple of months I may avoid this latest recall. I just avoided one TSB reflash - according to the F37 docs, that flash obsoletes the lastest 18-023 flash. At this rate, they would be better off equipping our CRD's with dial data cellular units - they could call once a day and reflash if the vehicle is not moving - just like Windows does... it would save the dealer trips.

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2005 LTD CRD RB1 NAV/Htd Leather seats/Amsoil EA filters
SunCoast Mega Trans & Billet TC/PML pan/Aux cooler
Fuel cooler/Lift Pump/10um Pri/Racor R490 2um Sec Fuel Filters
IronMan Lift/Shocks/Provent/Moog ball joints/ V6 Airbox/Fan/Hayden
Cobalt Boost/EGT/Oil/Trans/Volt gauges/Aeroturbine 2525
Yeti Hot Tune/Odessey 65/Samco's/Michelin Defenders

[quote="Ranger1]

At this rate, they would be better off equipping our CRD's with dial data cellular units - they could call once a day and reflash if the vehicle is not moving - just like Windows does... it would save the dealer trips.[/quote]

Good idea LOL

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Atlantic Blue 06 CRD Limited (his)
Joined by a 2000 XJ Classic (hers)

I'll bet you are getting air in your fuel. Mine does the exact same thing. I have to bleed the air every day. It is at the dealer getting a bad tank of fuel flushed out. The tech hooked up the computer and said the fuel pressure is all over the place. After they get the bad fuel sorted out, they will be working on the air leak. Refer to the thread about air in the fuel. It could be the sensors in the filter housing that are leaking. http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=14947

I'm not a factory trained mechanic but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a few times. If I had an engine that ate certain parts (EGR,TC) like they were potato chips, I would be looking for something upstream or down stream of that part that would cause it to fail. Replacing parts without figuring out why they fail is stupid. I'll bet a donut that something as simple as air in the fuel is causing a lot of these problems and failures.

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2006 Liberty CRD-SOLD
Dynomax 2.5 exhaust

Exactly. Either that or Flow control valve sticking... it is something else contributing to this. I have had the Torque Converter almost stall on me and I have the shuddering and bucking. The shuddering does seem to go away with a new batch of fuel sometimes-- but not always. Sometimes a new batch of fuel makes it much worse. When the batch of fuel makes it worse-- power service helps make it go way. I have given up trying to find "good" fuel in the Phoenix area. When the ULSD first came out all problems disappeared-- now they are back. I have been fueling up at the same high-usage shell station for the last 3 months. Trying new stations seems to make it worse or the same. It is like one batch is good and the next one is crap. When I tried to bleed any air out of the fuel pump-- I get fuel-- no air. Arg. I am thinking it is time to take this thing to an independant diesel repair shop. I am also going to change the fuel filter, maybe that will help or solve the problem (I am coming up on 20,000).

I checked out the air in the fuel on mine. I purged it several times, but nothing but fuel came out. So recently, I installed an inline clear plastic fuel filter just before the main OEM filter. No air. Still shudders and bucks on acceleration to 60-65 and then letting off once cruise speed is reached. While air would cause stumbling, I suspect the TC solution on the CRD is marginal - and when matched to mass produced tranny's, some shudder and some don't. I have to admit I'm disappointed that there is a report of shuddering even after the F37 change. It has to be related to torque levels - the same tranny on my V6 Liberty is silky smooth, 52K miles and has never shuddered, bucked or stumbled once. Only difference is the final overdrive ratio is electronically disabled on the 45RFE, so less pressure on the TC lockup clutches.

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2005 LTD CRD RB1 NAV/Htd Leather seats/Amsoil EA filters
SunCoast Mega Trans & Billet TC/PML pan/Aux cooler
Fuel cooler/Lift Pump/10um Pri/Racor R490 2um Sec Fuel Filters
IronMan Lift/Shocks/Provent/Moog ball joints/ V6 Airbox/Fan/Hayden
Cobalt Boost/EGT/Oil/Trans/Volt gauges/Aeroturbine 2525
Yeti Hot Tune/Odessey 65/Samco's/Michelin Defenders

Funny thing happened to me. Only flash I've had is the BCM. For the last two tanks Mine has not shuttered. The only difference is (1) the pump now says "ULSD" and (2) I've put Power Service' in both tanks, silver bottle, my CRD has aheated garage

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Atlantic Blue 06 CRD Limited (his)
Joined by a 2000 XJ Classic (hers)

Ya I am starting to realize how much they screwed up my acceleration off the line over time (as I tried to take a Cobalt with an old koot who was making a pain of himself). I think I liked it with the rough shifts better if it wasnt chewing up the converter.

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06 CRD "Smogger" Dark Khaki, Sport, 22C, tow package, hitch, 6 disc and slightly addictive SIRIUS sat radio.
82 CJ-8 04 Light Khaki, rebuilt 4.0L w/FI on the stand and ready to go in.

On the stutter, I bet if you run Bio or good ULSD it will go away. Mine did it for 15000 miles until ULSD came in, before ULSD it would not stutter running higher percentages of Bio either..... Just my experience. I have never had ANY reflashes or TSB's done.......

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Feb/2006 Silver Sport 4x4 CRD

Iset the appointment with our Jeep dealer for Monday the 11th+they have all week to performF37+replace a rear main seal that's leaking(anybody have that?)The CRD has had NO shudder issues,EGR problems,etc.(knock on wood)prior to this and it has an early '05 build date.Other than the rear main leak it has been a truoble free+GREAT running vehicle.If there were any problems with it I would hear about it as this is my wife's vehicle.I'll keep the list posted as to how it turns out(We have a good dealer).They also mentioned there is the possibility of a front pump replacement on it,But they won't know till they get it out.Ttyl,Kurt

Ran trouble-free for 200 miles today, many starts, smooth shifting, heavy acceleration, then
let off to try to get it to shudder, tried everything. I am probably unique, I have the flash just
before f-31, they were unable to get the F-37 to take, and I will probably get a new ECM with
the flash in it, since if I don't and it has problems, it would be my fault for not following through with
the F-37. I also have the TransGo, without the diode, skip the diode if you decide to do it.
So mine will not be completely done till the flash. But the issue I had with the 1st to 2nd shift is
gone, and if it runs like it did today, I will consider myself fortunate. (pump and TQ replaced)

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2005 Silver Limited CRD 53,000 miles
GDE EcoTune / Trans tune
PML Differential Cover/Crankcase Mod
Tal & Hadas Grill Guard/TransGo Shift Kit
V-6 AirBox/Lunar Boost & EGT
Lund Cold Weather Grill Insert
OEM updated Filter Head, Cummins Lift Pump

My letter came in the mail today.

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Me - '17 KL Trailhawk 4x4, Rhino, P245/65R17 Destination A/Ts, Stock Skids, waiting for mods...
Sis - '18 Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4 - Black - Dents - Scratches - STOCK

Picked my Jeep up from the dealership post-F37 a few nights ago. The replaced my torque converter-but not any of the other stuff.

The Jeep is definitely slower to start out with. You get a more gradual application of torque at the lower rpms. Shifts are quicker, but they are smoother. I have not had any shuddering yet despite pissing off quite a few people on the freeway trying to replicate it. When I shift between N and R and D the Jeep doesn't lunge or bang into the gear anymore, just goes into the right gear. Basically it seems to operate like it should now. I'm quite happy with it actually. For those of you who try to witch that there won't be enough grunt for towing-I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with smoother starts.

But... I power braked her at a light last night and fogged the heck outta the jerk behind me. Diesel smoke and tire smoke...mmm...delicious! SO the beast still lies within. Don't despair!

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Mine: 2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD-the only color-BLACK!
-Tow package, 6CD in-dash
-Cobra CB w/glass mount
-Mopar Slush mats
-Cooper Discoverer ATR 245/70R16 on stock rims
Hers: 2004 Dodge Durango Limited 4.7 4x4-Molten Lava (She thinks it's purple!)

I take it you had the TCS off?

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Me - '17 KL Trailhawk 4x4, Rhino, P245/65R17 Destination A/Ts, Stock Skids, waiting for mods...
Sis - '18 Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4 - Black - Dents - Scratches - STOCK

Here are a couple of copies from http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct ... 1454f/8268
It seems that some CRDs have much lower shift points (lockup) from the factory. Several have said that the F37 causes the change. What component change causes this, as the lower shift point seems wiser. For towing don't use OD.


#8276 of 8291 Report on TC change and reflash of ECM & TCM by farout Dec 07, 2006 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: farout (Dec 04, 2006 2:19 pm)
Yesterday I had the Recall F37 done. If you have a 2005 CRD the recall takes 4.5 hours and the 2006 CRD takes 5.5 hours to do. Our recall took all of 5 hours. (we have a 2005) The ride from the dealer to our home is about 1 and 1/2 hours. The ONLY difference we noticed was the transmission now shifts into 5 OD at 50 Mph! The rpm at that speed is just a hair above 1500 rpm. We noticed a more firm shift and the shifts seem to be made quicker. If there is any decrease in torque or Hp it is so small of an amount it can't be detected. If this has been dome and I did not know about the recall being done, I would not have known it except for the shifting being more firm and going into 5 OD at 50 mph. The 5 OF at 50 mph is an improvement in my estimation. So I would say get the recall done at your earliest time.
I asked the service writer why this recall was being done, and he said he would have an answer when we picked up the Jeep that evening. What I got was 36 pages of the recall notice and a step by step how to do this recall for the Tec doing the work. The 36 pages are very detailed, and it has steps to follow for the 2005 CRD and the 2006 CRD. I do not know what but there is some difference between the two years. The instructions also tells what to do if there is no indication that there is a problem with the transmission. Not all CRD's get the TC, some get other transmission work done. There is several steps and different repairs for different things found. Some get the radiator and fan removed to do the work as well.
Just a bit of information I found in these 36 pages. There were 11,200 CRDs made from the start in late 2004 to may 2006 for a total of 11,000. Then between may 06 to Nov. 2 2006, 200 more CRD's were made at different times. So what ever these 200 more CRD's are used for is unknown at this time. Maybe more testing was needed, or ........?

I hope that this gives someone here some idea what this recall is like.

Farout

#8283 of 8291 Re: Report on TC change and reflash of ECM & TCM [butchman] by caribou1 Dec 08, 2006 (12:04 am)
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Butchman,
Now that you can lock the converter into 5th gear at 50mph is a real improvement for getting better mileage. This feature uses the full efficiency of the variable vanes of the turbo.
But knowing that pure horsepower is the product of torque and angular speed (rpm), the engine will give all it can to remain at 50mph. There will be a penalty to pay when driving on winding roads or at full cargo unless we have a switch for selecting between "sport / winter" conditions. Such an option already existed on german cars many years ago.
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• butchman (Dec 08, 2006 8:00 am)
#8284 of 8291 Re: Report on TC change and reflash of ECM & TCM [caribou1] by butchman Dec 08, 2006 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Dec 08, 2006 12:04 am)
Caribou1, Yes, on the way in to work this morning I watched my tach and thought about 1500 at 50 and then trying to get to 60. Seems like that may be a bit doggy in much of my terrain. I don't really want it to be automatically shuttling back and forth from 4th to 5th because of load. Am I worrying too much or is this the case and we need that switch?
#8285 of 8291 Re: Report on TC change and reflash of ECM & TCM [farout] by mdamick Dec 08, 2006 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: farout (Dec 07, 2006 1:19 pm)
Thanks for the report.
My CRD 2/05 build has always shifted into 5OD 50 mph.
I am waiting on parts to take mine in and it sounds like it will run better than ever.

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2006 Silver CRD Limited

I drove about 150 miles yesterday through the mountains - truck full of ski gear for two people - last week had full gear for five people. I definitely noticed a lack of power going upill. Not sure of actual numbers, but this is my perception.

I need to drive the truck more, but I think there is still a shudder. When driving uphill at 71-73, I had the same issues as when driving 50-55 in the beginning.

Oh yeah, plus I had a little help from the really cold street... but still, I've never done a burnout in a Jeep...it was kinda weird, but kinda fun!!!

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Mine: 2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD-the only color-BLACK!
-Tow package, 6CD in-dash
-Cobra CB w/glass mount
-Mopar Slush mats
-Cooper Discoverer ATR 245/70R16 on stock rims
Hers: 2004 Dodge Durango Limited 4.7 4x4-Molten Lava (She thinks it's purple!)

Talked to the tech this am while he was replacing my LBJ's under recall and he said he was replacing TC and the pump and then do the Flashes. It should be ready tomorrow afternoon or Wednesday.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine