CV Angles

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:44 pm

I believe that you can only get heavy duty springs with the lift. So I'll say HD to be safe.

fdezone · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:38 am

NU ARTY BOY wrote:

What are you saying? So a FNG can't or won't enjoy the fact that the lift already comes pre-assembled? That its probably the most popular lift in this community and has some of the more knowledgeable Jeep enthusiasts buying it for their KJ?

I'm a FNG. This is MY first Jeep. I bought the lift because of all the wonderful things that I heard about it from this site - the better ride, the quality of the parts, the customer service from All-J.

I understand that you have had a problem with the Frankenlift. Nothing is perfect in this world. Stuff happens. But the overall majority of this group with the kit enjoy it and would probably buy it again. Don't discourage others to modify their Jeep based on just your experience with it.

Lets not hijack this thread anymore than it already has been...

Hate to say I told you so! Have you called All J? What have you done to "break in" your new suspension? I don't know how long ago you purchased your lift, but I believe you can still call All J and ask 'em to swap out your springs for the softer coils. That may help alleviate your situation.

This is exactly why I didn't recommend the lift to FNGs. I don't know if you installed the lift yourself, but if you paid to have it installed, you'd have to pay to have it removed and your OE reinstalled. Then if All J accomodates you with new springs, you'll have to pay once again to re-install the lift again! You tracking? It'll add up fast for an FNG who doesn't have the confidence or mechanical ability to install his/her own lift. Not to mention the PITA factor for all others.

Another option (not recommended by All J) would be to remove the bottom spacers, which will in essence make it just an OME lift, but with a Daystar top plate. Your choice, roll 'em.

detroit_doc · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:53 pm

NU ARTY BOY wrote:

Bro, I have almost 2K miles on my Frankenlift and I've pounded the snot out of the front - all in trying to get the front springs to settle. Its not happening. Right now my KJ looks like a Baja 1000 truck. And I now have 2 blown CV boots that may or not be repairable.

Its gotten to the point that I might just put the OE stuff back on, sell the KJ, and wait for a new Unlimited Rubicon. Total frustration.....

Another happy All-J customer. Welcome to the club. I pulled mine off. It wasn't very well designed. Actually I don't think it was designed at all.

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:58 pm

fdezone wrote:

Hate to say I told you so! Have you called All J? What have you done to "break in" your new suspension? I don't know how long ago you purchased your lift, but I believe you can still call All J and ask 'em to swap out your springs for the softer coils. That may help alleviate your situation.

This is exactly why I didn't recommend the lift to FNGs. I don't know if you installed the lift yourself, but if you paid to have it installed, you'd have to pay to have it removed and your OE reinstalled. Then if All J accomodates you with new springs, you'll have to pay once again to re-install the lift again! You tracking? It'll add up fast for an FNG who doesn't have the confidence or mechanical ability to install his/her own lift. Not to mention the PITA factor for all others.

Another option (not recommended by All J) would be to remove the bottom spacers, which will in essence make it just an OME lift, but with a Daystar top plate. Your choice, roll 'em.

Dude you just really pissed me off. Just because I'm a FNG to the Jeep brand does NOT mean that I am mechanically inept. I know what a screwdriver does and what a band saw is. I went to college and I can read instructions. So DO NOT stereotype FNGs. Mechanical ability??? You ever swap out chevy 350s into a beatup 1986 C/K pickup by yourself? How about a tranny rebuild? Do you even do your own oil changes?

While I have problems with my KJ I seem to be the minority. Its a good lift for many LOST members out there. I seem to be one of the unlucky ones. Stuff happens so I deal with it. But I am not going to get on my soap box and start spewing needless words about "how I told you so".

Being frustrated by a problem doesn't mean that I'm packing it in and quit. Based on being in Fredricksburg, VA you are either stationed at Quantico or A.P. Hill. You NAPs wouldn't know anything about going "All the way". I hate legs...

raceinfan · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:45 pm

now,now guy's lets play nice :wink:

so this topic can stay open it started out with ideas to try & help those with extreme cv angle problems & could possibly be usefullto everyone,let's keep it that way please

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:33 pm

All this could be sloved with an adjustable collar with a coilover. People just have to realize each KJ is a little different and a "lift" is not going to act the same on every KJ...When you are adding a 2.5" lift to a KJ you are near or at the limits of lift for the most part. For the most part if you add a lift that is around 2", you will have no issues...but nobody wants to settle on 2"...lol

fdezone · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:58 pm

NU ARTY BOY wrote:

fdezone wrote:

Hate to say I told you so! Have you called All J? What have you done to "break in" your new suspension? I don't know how long ago you purchased your lift, but I believe you can still call All J and ask 'em to swap out your springs for the softer coils. That may help alleviate your situation.

This is exactly why I didn't recommend the lift to FNGs. I don't know if you installed the lift yourself, but if you paid to have it installed, you'd have to pay to have it removed and your OE reinstalled. Then if All J accomodates you with new springs, you'll have to pay once again to re-install the lift again! You tracking? It'll add up fast for an FNG who doesn't have the confidence or mechanical ability to install his/her own lift. Not to mention the PITA factor for all others.

Another option (not recommended by All J) would be to remove the bottom spacers, which will in essence make it just an OME lift, but with a Daystar top plate. Your choice, roll 'em.

Dude you just really pissed me off. Just because I'm a FNG to the Jeep brand does NOT mean that I am mechanically inept. I know what a screwdriver does and what a band saw is. I went to college and I can read instructions. So DO NOT stereotype FNGs. Mechanical ability??? You ever swap out chevy 350s into a beatup 1986 C/K pickup by yourself? How about a tranny rebuild? Do you even do your own oil changes?

While I have problems with my KJ I seem to be the minority. Its a good lift for many L.O.S.T. members out there. I seem to be one of the unlucky ones. Stuff happens so I deal with it. But I am not going to get on my soap box and start spewing needless words about "how I told you so".

Being frustrated by a problem doesn't mean that I'm packing it in and quit. Based on being in Fredricksburg, VA you are either stationed at Quantico or A.P. Hill. You NAPs wouldn't know anything about going "All the way". I hate legs...

No, no, dude, I don't mean you're an FNG! I mean FNGs in general. I thought I made it clear when I tried to describe how someone who hasn't installed lifts before might be put in a costly situation. You would fall in the "other" category with all the swapping back and forth being a PITA. Oh, I got out in 1998 after serving 11 years in the Corps so please watch your tone! I'm not trying to get ugly. I apologize if you misunderstood. Don't think of yourself, think of other, younger, less financially stable folks.

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:41 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

All this could be sloved with an adjustable collar with a coilover. People just have to realize each KJ is a little different and a "lift" is not going to act the same on every KJ...When you are adding a 2.5" lift to a KJ you are near or at the limits of lift for the most part. For the most part if you add a lift that is around 2", you will have no issues...but nobody wants to settle on 2"...lol

Darby, you are working on getting such an item made aren't you? If so, keep us posted. If not, start working on it. :lol:

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:08 pm

fdezone wrote:

NU ARTY BOY wrote:

fdezone wrote:

Hate to say I told you so! Have you called All J? What have you done to "break in" your new suspension? I don't know how long ago you purchased your lift, but I believe you can still call All J and ask 'em to swap out your springs for the softer coils. That may help alleviate your situation.

This is exactly why I didn't recommend the lift to FNGs. I don't know if you installed the lift yourself, but if you paid to have it installed, you'd have to pay to have it removed and your OE reinstalled. Then if All J accomodates you with new springs, you'll have to pay once again to re-install the lift again! You tracking? It'll add up fast for an FNG who doesn't have the confidence or mechanical ability to install his/her own lift. Not to mention the PITA factor for all others.

Another option (not recommended by All J) would be to remove the bottom spacers, which will in essence make it just an OME lift, but with a Daystar top plate. Your choice, roll 'em.

Dude you just really pissed me off. Just because I'm a FNG to the Jeep brand does NOT mean that I am mechanically inept. I know what a screwdriver does and what a band saw is. I went to college and I can read instructions. So DO NOT stereotype FNGs. Mechanical ability??? You ever swap out chevy 350s into a beatup 1986 C/K pickup by yourself? How about a tranny rebuild? Do you even do your own oil changes?

While I have problems with my KJ I seem to be the minority. Its a good lift for many L.O.S.T. members out there. I seem to be one of the unlucky ones. Stuff happens so I deal with it. But I am not going to get on my soap box and start spewing needless words about "how I told you so".

Being frustrated by a problem doesn't mean that I'm packing it in and quit. Based on being in Fredricksburg, VA you are either stationed at Quantico or A.P. Hill. You NAPs wouldn't know anything about going "All the way". I hate legs...

No, no, dude, I don't mean you're an FNG! I mean FNGs in general. I thought I made it clear when I tried to describe how someone who hasn't installed lifts before might be put in a costly situation. You would fall in the "other" category with all the swapping back and forth being a PITA. Oh, I got out in 1998 after serving 11 years in the Corps so please watch your tone! I'm not trying to get ugly. I apologize if you misunderstood. Don't think of yourself, think of other, younger, less financially stable folks.

OK, now I understand a little more. Sorry for getting a little heated. About the younger folks- I'm probably one of the youngest LOST members with his own KJ at 23 years. Believe me I know what a tight budget feels like right now.

fdezone · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:20 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

All this could be sloved with an adjustable collar with a coilover. People just have to realize each KJ is a little different and a "lift" is not going to act the same on every KJ...When you are adding a 2.5" lift to a KJ you are near or at the limits of lift for the most part. For the most part if you add a lift that is around 2", you will have no issues...but nobody wants to settle on 2"...lol

Yeah, that would be nice. I like Fabtech's WK lift. In theory, it looks painfully fairly easy to modify to fit the KJ. Maybe with quick disconnecting sway bar links.

fdezone · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:32 pm

NU ARTY BOY wrote:

Believe me I know what a tight budget feels like right now.

Man, I was on a tight budget for 11 years with a wife and 2 kids. Everyone in the Armed Forces has my full support. Been there, done that! I'm honestly just trying to look out for the community. I don't want to point fingers anymore, I'd rather work together to find a solution. That's why we need this open, honest, forum. What works well for some might not work for others. I just want folks to hear from both sides of the aisle and judge for themselves. It's not a popularity contest. Stay safe.

kolesy · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:40 pm

NU ARTY BOY wrote: OK, now I understand a little more. Sorry for getting a little heated. About the younger folks- I'm probably one of the youngest L.O.S.T. members with his own KJ at 23 years. Believe me I know what a tight budget feels like right now.

I am right there with ya brother! 23 and modddin what I can . I am in the military as well. I have my own version of "franken" lift (not to be confused with the real deal) I have a rustys coil lift and other do dads in there to put me at about 3 to 3.25" (before and after measurements on MY rig) of lift for under $500 if you do not include Al's arms I had to get. My CV angles are pretty steep and the rack and pinion just doesnt look all that hot either, but so far so good!

Universeman · **Posted:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:42 am

I hear ya about doing this on the cheap, I spent $30 on my front lift

but its not the way I want it and man o man would a Fabtech setup be nice, ok right now I have a lot of clevis lift but I want as much drop as possible and the only way to get more drop is with a strut that has more drop (does the OME and rancho struts provide more drop then stock?) or to add spacers on the top (OTT)or bottom (clevis)or both, but the problem with that is you will bottom out the strut at full compression, I know this is off topic from the CV issue but its still relevant I think. right now I'm running with these Terraflex extended bumpstops but I actually lose about an inch of uptravel with them.

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

id love to have yur 3/4 inch spacers for my front, that would make it perfect for me.

just curious, whats the longer bumpstop for?

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

jcphoto20 wrote:

just curious, whats the longer bumpstop for?

I assume to keep the strut from bottoming out with the OTT kit.

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