Who Wants A Better Fuel Filter Thats Cheaper To Replace?

RFCRD · **Posted:** Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:10 pm

oldnavy wrote:

It will make your NAPA guy happy, not to mention save you about $15 every filter change. :wink:

What really bugs me about this filter situation is that I was trained by farmers and old-school diesel types to change fuel filters frequently. If I were to tell one of them I dropped $50 on fuel filter they would think I was on drugs (or that it would last 30K miles/over 2yrs).

On my coaches, I didn't mess around. When I changed the oil (@ 12K miles), pitched the fuel filters at the same time. Could do both fuel filters on a Detroit for under $20, just wasn't worth the hastle to skip this detail. Some would call this a waste but I didn't have filter or injector problems.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:16 am

RFCRD wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

It will make your NAPA guy happy, not to mention save you about $15 every filter change. :wink:

What really bugs me about this filter situation is that I was trained by farmers and old-school diesel types to change fuel filters frequently. If I were to tell one of them I dropped $50 on fuel filter they would think I was on drugs (or that it would last 30K miles/over 2yrs).

On my coaches, I didn't mess around. When I changed the oil (@ 12K miles), pitched the fuel filters at the same time. Could do both fuel filters on a Detroit for under $20, just wasn't worth the hastle to skip this detail. Some would call this a waste but I didn't have filter or injector problems.

Well something that the part guy and I at the truck center were talking about is how bad the fuel quality has gotten in the US since the mid 80's, and how that is impacting todays new diesels. But that falls under a different topic.

Anyway the reason the Cat filter will last us 20,000 to 30,000 miles is the filter was designed for a large Cat V8 that moves about twice to three as much fuel as our little CRD. But heck at $15 for a filter compared to $28+ for the OEM filter, change it every 10,000 to 12,000 miles when you change oil.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:37 am

Don't know for sure how much the Wix 33765 would cost, but the New Holland version from a farm supply company in PA (Messicks) listed for $20.47.

Actually, I'm hoping that the Wix and New Holland versions come with a drain plug or valve (such as the white plastic plug on the OEM filter), instead of just an open port for the WIF sensor. I only mentioned the WIF sensor because it showed one on the parts drawings for the New Holland tractors, so there's a possibility that a spare filter for them would come with just an open port on the bottom for the sensor to screw into.

On the Fleetguard versions, from the pics they have a plug or drain valve installed.

I'm of the same opinion, I'd rather be rid of that bloody sensor, just one more thing to mess with and wait to screw up. My harness has stayed disconnected since I originally posted about trying it, and the beast still runs fine.

LanduytG · **Joined:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:59 am **Posts:** 188

RFCRD wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

It will make your NAPA guy happy, not to mention save you about $15 every filter change. :wink:

What really bugs me about this filter situation is that I was trained by farmers and old-school diesel types to change fuel filters frequently. If I were to tell one of them I dropped $50 on fuel filter they would think I was on drugs (or that it would last 30K miles/over 2yrs).

On my coaches, I didn't mess around. When I changed the oil (@ 12K miles), pitched the fuel filters at the same time. Could do both fuel filters on a Detroit for under $20, just wasn't worth the hastle to skip this detail. Some would call this a waste but I didn't have filter or injector problems.

I change my fuel filters on my Duramax ever 10K and the book says 15K. I sell a add on fuel filter kit for it a most people double the change interval on the secondary. To spending and extra $20 to change them both at the same time is no big deal.

Greg

retmil46 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:15 pm

Just called O'Reillys, inquiry to Wix as to whether the 33765 filter is available is still pending, will check back tomorrow morning.

Called Mid South Tractor Supply, a New Holland dealer. They have 11 of the New Holland version in stock, 19 bucks and change. Stick in the mud is, guy pulled one of the filters out of the box - it doesn't have a drain or plug installed, just a threaded opening in the bottom for the sensor already on the tractor.

Mid South is close enough I'll go over there one morning and take the spare OEM filter along. If the white shipping drain plug on the OEM filter doesn't fit, I'll check to see how much a drain plug (or sensor to use as a drain plug) would cost from New Holland.

LanduytG · **Joined:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:59 am **Posts:** 188

OK, I have the quote back from my machine shop and the pirchased order has been faxed. It will be 4-5 weeks and we should have then in your hand.

Greg

oldnavy · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:42 pm

LanduytG wrote:

OK, I have the quote back from my machine shop and the pirchased order has been faxed. It will be 4-5 weeks and we should have then in your hand.

Greg

Me first!!!!

oldnavy · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:21 pm

retmil46 wrote:

Just called O'Reillys, inquiry to Wix as to whether the 33765 filter is available is still pending, will check back tomorrow morning.

Called Mid South Tractor Supply, a New Holland dealer. They have 11 of the New Holland version in stock, 19 bucks and change. Stick in the mud is, guy pulled one of the filters out of the box - it doesn't have a drain or plug installed, just a threaded opening in the bottom for the sensor already on the tractor.

Mid South is close enough I'll go over there one morning and take the spare OEM filter along. If the white shipping drain plug on the OEM filter doesn't fit, I'll check to see how much a drain plug (or sensor to use as a drain plug) would cost from New Holland.

The Wix filter 33765 is no longer available at O'Reilly's or so store manager says. Oh well it will only be about a month till the new adaptors are ready for sale.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:57 am

I'm still going to check out the New Holland filter and the Fleetguard alternative. You know that some people are going to insist on keeping the WIF sensor, or at least a drain, if for no other reason than it gives them peace of mind. It'll also be a good alternative for those that aren't comfortable doing any mods to the vehicle while under warranty (no matter how useless DC has demonstrated said warranty to be) if it turns out to be a straight bolt-on.

It won't be as good as the Cat filter, but bloody close from looking at the specs, and a far sight better than what they have now.

For my part, I'd stick a New Holland filter on the factory filter head, and a Cat on the Permacool filter head downstream as a secondary. To paraphase an old joke, if anything can get past that we'll call it Houdini.

KJ79 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:34 am

I had an email reply back from WIX that their new CRD fuel filter should be in the market place around April. This would be compatible to the (Italian made) DCX filter.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:33 am

Haven't installed it on the Jeep yet, but it looks as if the New Holland filter will be a useable direct bolt-on alternative.

I picked one up at a local tractor supply today, $19.87, made in France. Comes without the inner gasket around the center pipe, and no drain plug/sensor - just the open threaded port in the bottom. The sensor for the same model tractor listed for $40, so I elected to play mechanic for the time being and see what I could rig up on my own.

As far as the inner gasket - the one on the Mopar filter is easily removeable, it just sits down inside a land, and comes out with a tug. I pulled the inner gasket off my spare Mopar filter, and checked it against the NH filter to see how it fit up. Looks good, when looking level across the outer gasket, the inner gasket sticks up above it by what appears to be the same amount as on the Mopar filter. Should be able to transfer the inner gasket from the old Mopar filter when it's removed over to the NH filter without any problems.

Drain port - Turns out this was threaded M14 X 2.0, and no, the Mopar sensor does not fit. Hitting the auto parts stores, at Autozone in the Dorman HELP! generic parts section, I came across a plastic radiator drain cock that was threaded M14 X 2.0, part # 61127. After breaking off the retaining legs on the end, threaded in and tightened up just like it was made for it. A generic o-ring 9/16" ID X 3/4" OD just fit down into the land around the threaded port, and gives a good snug seal.

Of course, nothing's certain until I can actually spin this puppy on the CRD and see if it works. But it's certainly looking like this beast will work.

IMHO, I'd still prefer the Cat filter. But for those that insist on keeping at least a drain or wif sensor, or are uncomfortable with modding the fuel filter setup for whatever reason, this may turn out to be a workable bolt-on replacement that's better and cheaper than the Mopar filter.

Have no idea what the NH wif sensor looks like, gent didn't have one in stock, only thing for sure is that it's threaded different from the Mopar. Apparently, you transfer the NH sensor from one filter to another, just as you do with the Mopar filter.

With that, I'm going to take it easy for a few days, got a bad case of strep throat that's kicking my rear.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:32 pm

Just for CYA, I sent an e-mail to New Holland asking them if the specs for their filter were the same as those listed for the Wix equivalent. Don't feel like playing the old 50/50/90 game. :wink:

oldnavy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:36 pm

retmil46 wrote:

Just for CYA, I sent an e-mail to New Holland asking them if the specs for their filter were the same as those listed for the Wix equivalent. Don't feel like playing the old 50/50/90 game. :wink:

What you sick in bed with your laptop??? :wink:

Been there done that before. :roll:

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:29 pm

oldnavy wrote:

retmil46 wrote:

Just for CYA, I sent an e-mail to New Holland asking them if the specs for their filter were the same as those listed for the Wix equivalent. Don't feel like playing the old 50/50/90 game. :wink:

What you sick in bed with your laptop??? :wink:

Been there done that before. :roll:

Pretty much it. Came down with this crud Monday night at work, wanger of a headache and throat started getting raw. Came home, ate, went to bed at 12:30, then starting about 2 AM you could have set your watch with my running to the john about every 20 minutes, big time stomach cramps. So bad I didn't even know if I'd be able to drive the 5 miles to the clinic until it finallly eased off at 10 AM.

Doc said it was a new type of strep throat, only gave me stuff for congestion and the runs, said it would be gone in a couple days. Fat lot he knows, still got the headaches and my throat is so raw I can't talk (which many people in this world would consider a blessing). Think I'll go back tomorrow morning and tell him he'd better try again.
:evil:

BVCRD · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:38 pm

retmil46 wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

retmil46 wrote:

Just for CYA, I sent an e-mail to New Holland asking them if the specs for their filter were the same as those listed for the Wix equivalent. Don't feel like playing the old 50/50/90 game. :wink:

What you sick in bed with your laptop??? :wink:

Been there done that before. :roll:

Pretty much it. Came down with this crud Monday night at work, wanger of a headache and throat started getting raw. Came home, ate, went to bed at 12:30, then starting about 2 AM you could have set your watch with my running to the john about every 20 minutes, big time stomach cramps. So bad I didn't even know if I'd be able to drive the 5 miles to the clinic until it finallly eased off at 10 AM.

Doc said it was a new type of strep throat, only gave me stuff for congestion and the runs, said it would be gone in a couple days. Fat lot he knows, still got the headaches and my throat is so raw I can't talk (which many people in this world would consider a blessing). Think I'll go back tomorrow morning and tell him he'd better try again.
:evil:

Sounds like some stuff my wife had. They gave her some $25 a piece pills. Enough for 8 days. Thankfully we had med insurance. It was the stuff they give people that have been expossed to anthrax. It knocked it down in there though. Good Luck.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:38 pm

CRD is now running with a New Holland filter on it. Slid right on just like it was made for the job. Mopar WIF sensor is now a paperweight on my desk. Took the inner gasket from the old Mopar filter and slid it up over the center pipe, then screwed on the New Holland filter.

Guess Diesel Power was right when they said it's a tractor engine. :wink:

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:31 pm

retmil46 wrote:

CRD is now running with a New Holland filter on it. Slid right on just like it was made for the job. Mopar WIF sensor is now a paperweight on my desk. Took the inner gasket from the old Mopar filter and slid it up over the center pipe, then screwed on the New Holland filter.

Guess Diesel Power was right when they said it's a tractor engine. :wink:

My guess is that it is a 10 micron nominal as is most I have seen like it for tractors. That is most likely what our filters are, 10 micron nominal.

dezelib · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:39 pm

I made up the original adapter for the Cat filter.Now it took me 5 minutes on a manual lathe+ with material,303 stainless,it came to about $15 US.Throw in a $15 Wix filter,that's about $30!!!!I'm in the machining business(no,I don't want to make any more ,it was just a project)+$75 seems a bit steep.Go with the tractor filter+come out about $50 ahead.Just my opinion,Kurt

LanduytG · **Joined:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:59 am **Posts:** 188

dezelib wrote:

I made up the original adapter for the Cat filter.Now it took me 5 minutes on a manual lathe+ with material,303 stainless,it came to about $15 US.Throw in a $15 Wix filter,that's about $30!!!!I'm in the machining business(no,I don't want to make any more ,it was just a project)+$75 seems a bit steep.Go with the tractor filter+come out about $50 ahead.Just my opinion,Kurt

You made the original Cat filter adapter? For what and when?

The material cost you $15 but what about labor? Do you think everyone has a lathe setting around.

Greg

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:53 pm

dezelib wrote:

I made up the original adapter for the Cat filter.Now it took me 5 minutes on a manual lathe+ with material,303 stainless,it came to about $15 US.Throw in a $15 Wix filter,that's about $30!!!!I'm in the machining business(no,I don't want to make any more ,it was just a project)+$75 seems a bit steep.Go with the tractor filter+come out about $50 ahead.Just my opinion,Kurt

This gives me a laugh. :lol:

Reminds me of a friend that did some work for me and TDI's and didn't properly figure his market share, time, and R&D correctly for his machine shop and went belly up.

I'm sure if you went to any machine shop and paid for 100 of these adaptors to be made you might get them for $15 or $20 each, but that does not include any research time or buying OEM equippment for design study, testing the unit to make sure it works without leaking, fuel sample testing done to reassure buyers. But then that is why we have crap filters, everything about the CRD was done on the cheap and we are the beta testers. Forgot to mention that it will cost more to just have a hundred of these made then it would a 1000, but who is counting.

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