Trans-a-bye-bye

Video Guy · **Posted:** Sat May 05, 2007 11:20 pm

Sorry to hear about your transmission! But thanks for the reminder to get my transmission serviced at 60K as scheduled. I did it at 30K, and now at 51K everything's still groovy (knock on wood).

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

[quote="tjkj2002"]Ummmm,the TC only locks in O/D.[/quote]

ummm yes it does lock in 3rd on the truck tranny

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2007 4:23 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

When the TC locks up you are bassically eliminating the TC from the tranny,the stator inside the tranny gets locked to the TC housing thus no slipping in the TC.Unloaded and on flat ground this will help with mpg's but you loose some power due to the lost torque mulitiplcation the "slipping" stator in the TC is providing(also heat,thus a bigger tranny cooler) and you also loose the "shock" absober in the driveline(the TC) which can grenade a tranny real quick.That's why you can't push start a auto(at least the new one's with only 1 pump) because the stator is just free wheeling in the TC and not turning the crankshaft,if your TC was locked all the time you could push start a auto but would break the tranny internals pretty fast.

When you let off of the gas, it unlocks the torque almost immediately.

1300ZUK · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 12:43 am

I have come to the conclusion that the Trans in the Liberty 42RLE, is absolute Rubbish.

its junk and should be tossed in the garbage, shifts horrible, makes stupid noises, the torque converter has a mind of its own.

I have 53K on mine, and i intend to complain about it often while its under the 7/70 warranty, in hopes that that will buy me a bit more time if i get my complaints documented.

JohnnyCash · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 1:09 am

1300ZUK wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that the Trans in the Liberty 42RLE, is absolute Rubbish.

its junk and should be tossed in the garbage, shifts horrible, makes stupid noises, the torque converter has a mind of its own.

I have 53K on mine, and i intend to complain about it often while its under the 7/70 warranty, in hopes that that will buy me a bit more time if i get my complaints documented.

Don't say that. I'm trying to convince myself that it will be good and reliable for a long time.
I actually had the Manual first and hated it so bad I took the loss and traded it for an automatic.
So far the automatic is winning, even though I would rather have a manual if it worked properly.
I don't really have any serious problems with it yet. I do have to hit the overdrive button in certain situations, but that's not too hard to do.
I have read of some people that have had the 42RLE for over 100,000 now and it's still working properly, so who knows?
The good thing with me is that I've driven a manual for so long that I don't have another automatic to compare it to.
A lady at work drives a Honda Civic which she loves. Whenever I come in in the morning and mention something weird my Liberty is doing she just looks horrified like it's some vile, disgusting thing. It's pretty funny. Never seen someone have that reaction at a vehicle.
I do have to say that when your vehicle vibrates & shudders when backing up a hill................that just doesn't seem good.

1300ZUK · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2007 12:00 am

i hope a trans can go over 100K miles in this day and age, if not its trash. simply put.

there are worst trans' out there, but this one is a great deal closer to the worst than the best. It dates back to the dodo birds and seems to have the 70's/80's reliability built in.

If i had to go back and do it again, i would have combed this earth for a manual trans liberty, they barely seem to exist.

QuestMan · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2007 12:23 am

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Im hoping that the shift kit will take some of the slop away and firm up the shifts.

What shift kit, exactly are you referring to?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2007 3:09 am

I have the Transgo Shift Kit installed in my 42RLE. The cost of the install will be the most expensive part of the process. Keep in mind, the 42RLE is a “Junior Kit” compared to the Transgo Shift Kit for the older Liberty’s. Don’t expect some miracle Shift Kit for the 42RLE. However, the 42RLE is a good transmission and is used in several applications including the Wrangler. Switch the trany fluid to Amsoil after logging about 20,000 miles and change the trany fluid every 50,000 thereafter. Your transmission should last for a very long time, 200,000 miles plus. I’ve talked to two transmission experts, and both say that the 42RLE is a good transmission. Here is a link filled with more information about the 42RLEand the Transgo shift Kit that will help you out in your decision making.
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... =shift+kit

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

JohnnyCash wrote:

1300ZUK wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that the Trans in the Liberty 42RLE, is absolute Rubbish.

its junk and should be tossed in the garbage, shifts horrible, makes stupid noises, the torque converter has a mind of its own.

I have 53K on mine, and i intend to complain about it often while its under the 7/70 warranty, in hopes that that will buy me a bit more time if i get my complaints documented.

Don't say that. I'm trying to convince myself that it will be good and reliable for a long time.
I actually had the Manual first and hated it so bad I took the loss and traded it for an automatic.
So far the automatic is winning, even though I would rather have a manual if it worked properly.
I don't really have any serious problems with it yet. I do have to hit the overdrive button in certain situations, but that's not too hard to do.
I have read of some people that have had the 42RLE for over 100,000 now and it's still working properly, so who knows?
The good thing with me is that I've driven a manual for so long that I don't have another automatic to compare it to.
A lady at work drives a Honda Civic which she loves. Whenever I come in in the morning and mention something weird my Liberty is doing she just looks horrified like it's some vile, disgusting thing. It's pretty funny. Never seen someone have that reaction at a vehicle.
I do have to say that when your vehicle vibrates & shudders when backing up a hill................that just doesn't seem good.

I have a 150K on the 42RLE in my Grand Cherokee. Seen some light-medium duty towing and the fluid changed about every 30-40k. That is it and it still seems to be working just fine (knock on wood). Even survived been run completely out of fluid (trans cooler line clamp wasn't tight enough, line came off and the trans lost all its fluid. Just connected the line back up and filled her up. That was 30k ago and still going fine.)

JohnnyCash · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 3:46 pm

1300ZUK wrote:

i hope a trans can go over 100K miles in this day and age, if not its trash. simply put.

there are worst trans' out there, but this one is a great deal closer to the worst than the best. It dates back to the dodo birds and seems to have the 70's/80's reliability built in.

If i had to go back and do it again, i would have combed this earth for a manual trans liberty, they barely seem to exist.

Believe me........the new 6-speed manual has it's share of problems too.
It has to be the sloppiest transmission on the face of the earth.
1st gear is absolutely useless for daily driving.......as soon as you take off you have to get into 2nd.
You can try to start in 2nd, but it's just a little too tall for starting off.
If you like to hear lots of clunks, and rattles, and like to watch everyone pull away from the traffic light while you're still working on 1st and 2nd gear, and you like esp to activate just when a semi is bearing down upon you, then you may enjoy this new transmission.
I find it hard to believe they would even put a vehicle on the market with such a bad transmission.

1300ZUK · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 11:55 pm

JohnnyCash wrote:

1300ZUK wrote:

i hope a trans can go over 100K miles in this day and age, if not its trash. simply put.

there are worst trans' out there, but this one is a great deal closer to the worst than the best. It dates back to the dodo birds and seems to have the 70's/80's reliability built in.

If i had to go back and do it again, i would have combed this earth for a manual trans liberty, they barely seem to exist.

Believe me........the new 6-speed manual has it's share of problems too.
It has to be the sloppiest transmission on the face of the earth.
1st gear is absolutely useless for daily driving.......as soon as you take off you have to get into 2nd.
You can try to start in 2nd, but it's just a little too tall for starting off.
If you like to hear lots of clunks, and rattles, and like to watch everyone pull away from the traffic light while you're still working on 1st and 2nd gear, and you like esp to activate just when a semi is bearing down upon you, then you may enjoy this new transmission.
I find it hard to believe they would even put a vehicle on the market with such a bad transmission.

how about a stupid trans that kind find a gear to save its life? and in 03 no ESP no 6 Spd no Drive by wire, etc.

and you complain about every trans there is, so your opinion is meaning less.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 12:21 am

The reason the first gear is so low is for offroad. The liberty is a Jeep.. Which means some people take them offroad.

My jeep clanks and carries on too, thats normal for a Jeep.

Eddo, I thought the 96 Grands had the 42RE.. Isnt that a different tranny than the 42rle? Either way, I like the way the tranny shifts in our 94 Grand alot better than the one in my liberty. It has 160k on it too!

JohnnyCash · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 1:06 am

1300ZUK wrote:

JohnnyCash wrote:

1300ZUK wrote:

i hope a trans can go over 100K miles in this day and age, if not its trash. simply put.

there are worst trans' out there, but this one is a great deal closer to the worst than the best. It dates back to the dodo birds and seems to have the 70's/80's reliability built in.

If i had to go back and do it again, i would have combed this earth for a manual trans liberty, they barely seem to exist.

Believe me........the new 6-speed manual has it's share of problems too.
It has to be the sloppiest transmission on the face of the earth.
1st gear is absolutely useless for daily driving.......as soon as you take off you have to get into 2nd.
You can try to start in 2nd, but it's just a little too tall for starting off.
If you like to hear lots of clunks, and rattles, and like to watch everyone pull away from the traffic light while you're still working on 1st and 2nd gear, and you like esp to activate just when a semi is bearing down upon you, then you may enjoy this new transmission.
I find it hard to believe they would even put a vehicle on the market with such a bad transmission.

how about a stupid trans that kind find a gear to save its life? and in 03 no ESP no 6 Spd no Drive by wire, etc.

and you complain about every trans there is, so your opinion is meaning less.

Believe me..........the manual Liberty I had was horrible. Maybe mine was worse than others......I don't know.
I was embarrassed when other people rode with me, because I bought a brand new vehicle, and it drove like a Yugo or a dilipated beater from the junkyard. I complain about the automatic because I don't like the way automatics drive and I don't trust them to last long, especially a Chrysler-designed automatic.
I bought it because the Liberty was the only thing in my price range that is such a great combination of highway and offroad capability, which is exactly what I wanted. I'm still trying to get used to it and quit worrying about it. Maybe it will go 200,000 miles.......who knows?
It's way, way better than the manual around town and in lower gears. The manual was better in the higher gears.......unless you downshifted to pass then it would slam into the lower gear.
(I've been trying not to complain about the automatic........just trying to figure out all of it's weirdness, and how best to maintain it. The Manual on the other hand I'll complain about all day long.)

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