aev / superlift

jerbacher · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 2:40 pm

I was just checking out the AEV site (sweet). They have really nice kits for the GC and Commander. Why no KJ support? There are more KJs on the road, and I've only ever seen 1 lifted Commander or GC in person on the road. So, it's not like there are a ton more customers for the GC/Comm like is the case for TJ, YJ, JK. So whats the deal? Why no 4" superlift for us? Something much more difficult with the suspension?

SoDakJeep · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 6:15 pm

IFS....

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 7:36 pm

jerbacher wrote:

I was just checking out the AEV site (sweet). They have really nice kits for the GC and Commander. Why no KJ support? There are more KJs on the road, and I've only ever seen 1 lifted Commander or GC in person on the road. So, it's not like there are a ton more customers for the GC/Comm like is the case for TJ, YJ, JK. So whats the deal? Why no 4" superlift for us? Something much more difficult with the suspension?

Your going to be waiting awhile,it's been like 3 some years and counting since they said they where doing a 4" lift.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 7:51 pm

Has nothing to do with the IFS because the GC and Comamnder are IFS.
Those companies just plain SUCK!

KJ gets NO respect. If you want to prove to them that KJ's rock and deserve a 4" lift, get out there to off-road events, constantly visit Off-road stores, been seen hitting those rugged trails.

Petition Superlift.

I think Hellsfire went into hiding from our forum.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 8:05 pm

Tokyojoe wrote:

Has nothing to do with the IFS because the GC and Comamnder are IFS.
Those companies just plain SUCK!

KJ gets NO respect. If you want to prove to them that KJ's rock and deserve a 4" lift, get out there to off-road events, constantly visit Off-road stores, been seen hitting those rugged trails.

Petition Superlift.

I think Hellsfire went into hiding from our forum.

YES YES YES

This is what I have been saying for as long as this lift has been talked about
Yet last year and from the looks this year also there will be at best 5 KJ's out at an event that Superlift sponsors making them correct in saying
"why spend the money on producing a lift that only 5% or less of the KJ's out there will buy?"

To prove them wrong we would need 50 KJ's from every town with in 500 miles to show up and talk to the reps from superlift saying that they want a real lift other wise hang it up

just my .02

Donnie · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 8:54 pm

I sent an e-mail to AEV yesterday, basically saying the same thing. Check Hellfires thread, I just got in contact with him and posted what he said :cry:

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Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 9:52 pm

I hate to break it to you guys but, the percentage of us that would be willing to lift a KJ that high is probably less than 5% so I don't know how much support you're ever going to get. If you truly want something that high, why not find an older CJ and put a 6" suspension lift, 4" body lift and 44" tires on it? Who needs a snorkel? heheh

jerbacher · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 10:05 pm

Dje Ryu wrote:

I hate to break it to you guys but, the percentage of us that would be willing to lift a KJ that high is probably less than 5% so I don't know how much support you're ever going to get. If you truly want something that high, why not find an older CJ and put a 6" suspension lift, 4" body lift and 44" tires on it? Who needs a snorkel? heheh

True true. If i wanted a real off roader, I'd get a JK (or actually TJ cause I cant afford JK). Let the flaming begin! I was just wondering why the support isnt there for the KJ, but is for the XK and WK.

Quote:

"why spend the money on producing a lift that only 5% or less of the KJ's out there will buy?"

I really think that the percentage of people lifting XKs and WKs is at least as low, or lower then the KJ. So, why the lack of support?

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

isnt the only hold up a cv joint that flexes more? all they need to do is make some durable, reasonably priced ones (its been 6 years hasnt it?) and most of the people that would normally get the lower lifts would go for 4 or more inches, 4, 6 8 are the usual standards.

humptyjumped · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 10:30 pm

Honestly, with the IFS the frankenlift is as high as you can go safely (without basicly building a whole new rig) You need a Solid front axel to go
really tall in a KJ, and that is a BIG job. There are MANY factors that come in to play with a lift... such as rubbing against the upper control arms, and wheels hitting the suspension on a hard turn. Lifting is extremely difficult on a IFS suspension, and if you are LUCKY (as I am) the only issue you will have is a slight out of spec issue with the castor alignment.

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

for my needs, im only going to add a 3/4" poly spacer up front when the struts give out and add a couple spring isolators out back on each side at the same time. hopefully by then they will have those fancy edlebrock things, if they dont already. as it is, with 225/70s, mine stock is still taller than a new one by about an inch, ive parked next to them. i wanna add wheel spacers on the back too eventually, that gives you stability and a little fake travel/articulation.

humptyjumped · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 10:40 pm

Tokyojoe wrote:

Has nothing to do with the IFS because the GC and Comamnder are IFS.
Those companies just plain SUCK!

KJ gets NO respect. If you want to prove to them that KJ's rock and deserve a 4" lift, get out there to off-road events, constantly visit Off-road stores, been seen hitting those rugged trails.

Petition Superlift.

I think Hellsfire went into hiding from our forum.

I agree that IFS can be lifted.... BUT not as easily as a SFA. Let's not kid ourselves. I have read a
lot of your messages on LOST tokyojoe, so I know you know yer stuff...

As soon as you lift an IFS, the angles of evrything get screwed. You can alighnwithin a limit,
but the higher you go, the worse it gets. You can go really high, but it would mean replacing all
on the IFS suspension components.

For my money, at that point, why not just go SFA.

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

yup the only true advantage to ifs is the lighter unsprung weight and the ground clearance for going thru mud.

kolesy · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 12:58 am

jcphoto20 wrote:

yup the only true advantage to ifs is the lighter unsprung weight and the ground clearance for going thru mud.

So what about that solid axle on 38"s how much ground clearance does that have for the mud? :roll:

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 10:22 am

I get tired of hearing, just do a SFA at those costs. Yes, a lot of money is needed for the IFS, this link shows all of those componenents needed for an IFS 4" lift for the Commander and the cost is nearly $1600.

http://www.4wheelparts.com/PDT52012.aspx

Yes, there would be a lot of components for the KJ to swap out and some welding. It says the Commander would need some also.

The SFA is going to cost 5 x as much....if a KJ IFS costs $1500 - $2000.

At least the Dodge Durango doesn't have a lift either (according to 4-wheel parts). NOTE: Not saying the Durango is in our league.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 11:09 am

A SFA would not cost as much as people believe it would. Do all the work yourself and it will be under 5k easily.

I know there are more people that want to lift their kj than there is wanting to lift a WK. I do not understand why a company does not make a lift for the kj..

spoonplugger1 · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 11:24 am

Saw a GC with one of the Superlifts under it. From the amount of work that's needed done I'd say at least add the cost of the lift again to the bill to finish it at a shop. There was a lot of new welds and cutting under there.

ARBSeth · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 1:36 pm

In defense of my boys at AEV and Superlift...Dave at AEV does custom conversions... shell out the $25K or so and he'll build you whatever you want when he has the time. He put a KJ diesel in a TJ not too long ago because he thought it would be fun... the guy is AMAZING. But umm, brilliance isn't cheap. All you have to do is ask... As for Superlift...

The KJ is a tough rig to lift. One of the biggest probelms you guys DON'T see is that the IFS cradle for the D30A acts as a motor mount...
So you can't just cut the cross members and do a drop bracket without SERIOUSLY affecting the integrity of the chasis. Ask your good friends at Rock Krawler how well that worked out for them... as a good company, they said "Whoa.. that didn't work" so they scrapped it, too.
You can't compare one paltform to the other (KJ vs. WK) because there are too many differences to make it an even swap. You know, like a HEMI vs a lil ole 3.7 and stuff. Yes, I know you can get a 3.7 GC... but the chasis are different.

You guys are just going to have to understand that unless you want to dump a ton of money into your KJ, 3" is as good as it gets. It's just not safe for a Reputable company to do anything bigger. Sorry...

jerbacher · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2007 2:57 pm

Good answers everyone! Thanks for clearing that up for me. Now I understand completely. Especially the part about the cradle acting as a motor mount, ARBSeth. Thats huge.

opo · **Posted:** Sun May 27, 2007 7:21 pm

It seems that the only thing left will be a no more than 3" lift plus A LOT OF TRIMING.

Has anyone here tried triming the hell out of his/her KJ to allow for bigger tires? How much will be compromised in terms of the structure of our KJs?

Cheers,

Octavio

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