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805gregg · **Posted:** Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:32 pm

I drove down Baja for 2 weeks, saw 2 Fj's and hundreds of KJ's. Jeep is better for Baja.

kj in a tight spot · **Posted:** Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:47 pm

Dje Ryu wrote:

Selectable lockers: standard... 'nuff said.

Ummm...no. Nuff said :roll:

Re check your source on that one...

chefdab · **Posted:** Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:21 pm

Sure the drivetrain and suspension might be great for off-roading but I wouldn't drive one because of the huge blind spots created by those tiny freakin windows. Sure it would crawl over the rock, you just have to be able to see it first.

SethX9 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:00 am

"Because Jeep no longer makes an off-road capable SUV to fill American's needs for one."

Pardon my abbreviated French but....WTF?!

Alak · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:11 am

I pulled an FJ out of a mud hole once. Kid musta thought it would float like a boat or something. Too bad he was too fat to crawl out the tiny booty windows.

spencevans · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:37 am

I'm in, so when are we going? I have to christen my new rig.

kj in a tight spot · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:43 am

SethX9 wrote:

"Because Jeep no longer makes an off-road capable SUV to fill American's needs for one."

Pardon my abbreviated French but....WTF?!

x2, wtf??? :roll:

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:04 am

kj in a tight spot wrote:

Dje Ryu wrote:

Selectable lockers: standard... 'nuff said.

Ummm...no. Nuff said :roll:

Re check your source on that one...

My bad. All three of the ones that I've seen up close had one so I just assumed... :oops:

Was just looking at Toyota's website and noticed that they come standard with 17" wheels. Gotta pay more for smaller rims! Screw that! But, at least they do offer some decent off-road options for it.

kj in a tight spot · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:05 am

Dje Ryu wrote:

kj in a tight spot wrote:

Dje Ryu wrote:

Selectable lockers: standard... 'nuff said.

Ummm...no. Nuff said :roll:

Re check your source on that one...

My bad. All three of the ones that I've seen up close had one so I just assumed... :oops:

Was just looking at Toyota's website and noticed that they come standard with 17" wheels. Gotta pay more for smaller rims! Screw that! But, at least they do offer some decent off-road options for it.

Its all good, least you didnt make the mistake of buyin a FJ POS :lol:

You want offroad options, get a Rubi :wink:

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:12 am

I will, in about 5 more years, when I have a title for my KJ and can afford to get something else.

ryno · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:36 pm

My friend and I test drove an FJ over the summer because his parents were thinking about buying one. So we headed over to the Toyota dealership and mounted up a loaded black FJ. The chubby, ignorant salesman proceeded to give us his schpeel. First off, he told us that the FJ has independent suspension all around, and it doesn't. So he doesn't even know his own product. Then he said, "If you can't get there in an FJ, you're probably not supposed to go there." And I added, "...unless you're supposed to go there in a Wrangler." Then he was all, "The FJ was ranked #1 by numerous independent off-road magazines." And I was like, "Dude, bullcrap. What magazines?" Then he was all, "Uhh... Well, this baby's got a locking diff." And I was like, "The Rubicon has two." Then he was all, "The FJ has traction control." And I was like, "Yeah, so do the new Wranglers." I finally stopped toying with him because it was obvious he was getting very upset, like it was a surprise to him that a Wrangler is better off-road than an FJ.

I can also attest to the visibility deficiency. I was unfortunate enough to have to ride in the back, and man, oh man... FJs are like little, dark jail cells with mail slots for windows. Put a paper bag over your head, and that's what the visibility is like in an FJ.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:02 pm

lol man i had a guy thell me that the new FJ is better than ANY Wrangler EVER, but then i found out where he worked...Toyota dealership

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:20 pm

ryno wrote:

Then he was all, "The FJ was ranked #1 by numerous independent off-road magazines." And I was like, "Dude, bullcrap. What magazines?" Then he was all, "Uhh... Well, this baby's got a locking diff."

Didn't the Kia whateveritis beat out the FJ for 4x4 of the year in one of the magazines?

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:31 pm

lol ya the kia sorento that same magizine also said that the honda ridgeline was the truck of the year

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:47 pm

about the same time I bought my KJ, my uncle bought a new Ridgeline. we're outside at my other uncle's wedding and he says "so uh...i got a new truck" and points off to the right

"WOW, that's sweet! when did you get that?" "a couple weeks ago" "Man I never figured you'd buy somethin that big..."
I thought he meant the red 2500 Ram 4x4...

"it's not that big" "dude, it's monstrous" "uh, wrong truck...mine is the silver Ridgeline"
a few moments of silence pass

"I thought you said you bought a truck?" "Go drive your girlie lookin SUV and shut up"

JHCRASH · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:17 pm

LOL

Thats histericle Ive always been into jeeps, and my dad has always asked me why would you buy something you have to tow to a trail . I just reply thas funny your off road vehicle is a horse dont you have to tow those?

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:42 pm

lol thats really funny :-)r

i dont like to call them trucks they just dont seem like a truck

KJ4ME · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:49 am

ryno wrote:

First off, he told us that the FJ has independent suspension all around, and it doesn't.

whats weird is i compared the 2007 FJ with a 2007 liberty on edmunds.com and edmunds also says the FJ has a full independent suspension. so it makes me wonder if the FJ was designed to have one but it got dropped for an SRA at the last minute???

i hope to get rid of the kj in about 2 years for an FJ...

corwyyn · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:08 am

KJ4ME wrote:

i hope to get rid of the kj in about 2 years for an FJ...

Why??? Don't get me wrong, if that's what you really want to do go for it, but I just have to ask your reasoning?

KJ4ME · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:11 am

i like the look of the FJ A LOT better, it looks tougher but at the same time fun, much like a wrangler. i drove one and i dont think the blind spots are bad at all, the lack of windows just makes the interior darker. the trick is you have to position your head as if you were sitting on the center console and adjust your mirrors from that spot, not the drivers seat

it drives a tad bit better
much much much more aftermarket support!!!! 6-inch lifts are no only do-able, but are popular!!!
more power and great drivetrain!
better build quality. not saying the kj's isnt good, toyota just 1-ups it... make that 3-ups it
im really starting to question my jeeps long term reliability (im on tranny problem #2 amongst other things), so this relationship will be over by 3 years or 36,000 miles

the reason i didnt get one initially is because toyota dealerships are marking prices up by up to $2,000 in the denver area for the basic steel-wheeled versions (even more of a markup for the nicely equipped ones), that is if you are able to find one on the lot that dosent have a yellow "sold" sticker on it. and no negotiating... what you see on the sticker is pretty much what you are paying, no questions asked!

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