Another set of Bridgestone Revos?

Pote · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:12 pm

greiswig wrote:

How are those Nokians noise-wise? One thing I do not like about my Goodyear MTR's is their noise on pavement at speed: there's an unpleasant throbbing vibration that comes from them, despite the fact that CAD designs have come a long way toward letting manufacturers anticipate the acoustic signature of potential tread designs.

These things are as quiet as the straight up passenger highway tires that came stock on my libbey. No extra noise at all...very impressed there as well.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Cowcatcher wrote:

I have liked my Toyo Open Country's......until I got warm wet snow on cold frozen roads. I will try them a bit longer but I need to warn you all that in our first snow they performed worse the the OEM tires. I heard my ABS ging off more in one day than in the last two years. Again, some kinds of conditions just plain suck no matter what kind of tires you are running so I will give them a little longer before thinking of a change.

The Toyo's use a very hard rubber compound for the tread to increase longevity. It gets harder still as temps drop. Same with the Firestone Destinations.

DZL_LOU · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:44 pm

Pote wrote:

greiswig wrote:

How are those Nokians noise-wise? One thing I do not like about my Goodyear MTR's is their noise on pavement at speed: there's an unpleasant throbbing vibration that comes from them, despite the fact that CAD designs have come a long way toward letting manufacturers anticipate the acoustic signature of potential tread designs.

These things are as quiet as the straight up passenger highway tires that came stock on my libbey. No extra noise at all...very impressed there as well.

Pote,
Just priced a set of 5 Nokian Vantiiva AT's 245/70/16 for $93. They are getting installed on Monday.
The crappy OEM GoodYears have 58K and are about ready to be replaced.

Pote · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:09 pm

DZL_LOU wrote:

Pote wrote:

greiswig wrote:

How are those Nokians noise-wise? One thing I do not like about my Goodyear MTR's is their noise on pavement at speed: there's an unpleasant throbbing vibration that comes from them, despite the fact that CAD designs have come a long way toward letting manufacturers anticipate the acoustic signature of potential tread designs.

These things are as quiet as the straight up passenger highway tires that came stock on my libbey. No extra noise at all...very impressed there as well.

Pote,
Just priced a set of 5 Nokian Vantiiva AT's 245/70/16 for $93. They are getting installed on Monday.
The crappy OEM GoodYears have 58K and are about ready to be replaced.

WOW!!!! awesome deal...that's trumps my great deal...one thing, you won't regret the buy. I got the same size as you, no lift...not a bit of rub anywhere. They will speak to you when you are driving on how great they really are. Nice find!! great price. nice goin.

Pote · **Posted:** Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:11 pm

Threeweight wrote:

Cowcatcher wrote:

I have liked my Toyo Open Country's......until I got warm wet snow on cold frozen roads. I will try them a bit longer but I need to warn you all that in our first snow they performed worse the the OEM tires. I heard my ABS ging off more in one day than in the last two years. Again, some kinds of conditions just plain suck no matter what kind of tires you are running so I will give them a little longer before thinking of a change.

The Toyo's use a very hard rubber compound for the tread to increase longevity. It gets harder still as temps drop. Same with the Firestone Destinations.

Which is the WORST thing you could want driving around in the winter....not good. ATs in the dirt and mud and rocks..all good though.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Pote wrote:

Which is the WORST thing you could want driving around in the winter....not good. ATs in the dirt and mud and rocks..all good though.

Yep, thats why I went with dedicated snow tires for skiing/winter play time.

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:30 pm

So where are you finding Vantiiva's for such good prices. I am seeing them between $125 and $130. My dealer wants me to sip the Toyo's and while I know that helps it is typically a 20%>30% fix and I am not sure that makes the Toyo's better than 50% of the OEM's. :cry:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Whatever siping they do to them, you are still left with a tire that is an all-season rubber compound. Siping, aggressive sidewalls, lugs designed to throw snow, etc... all help, but if you want a tire that will handle the best in snow/ice, you need a winter compound tire.

If you want just one set of tires for all seasons, I'd keep shopping for a good price on the Nokian Vat's, or look for the General Grabber AT2's (they are snowflake rated, meaning they exceed minimum specs for winter traction). Other option is to watch Craigslist for some cheap used rims, and go with dedicated winter tires.

phoenixbirdl · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:51 pm

I just put a set of revos on my 06CRD. Being in the midwest andwinter has HIT, i love them. I too paid $750 for the set of 4 but t's worth it for the safety and the security of my libby.

KeighJeigh · **Posted:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:14 pm

Long time lurker here on this forum....I have learned so much from you guys over the past 6 months I thought I might as well join with my 2 cents:
Thank you POTE for your insight regarding the tires! I researched tires for my CRD for a month now and your comments pushed me into the Nokian camp.

Here is what I found:

1) The tire in question is Nokian Vatiiva A/T which is a Mud/Snow rated tire
2) NOKIAN is a well respected Nordic tire company based in Finland. Nokia is a cell phone manufacturer. (surprising how many people confuse this)
3) These tires are not low end or bargain tires like the Uniroyal Liberators, which I also seriously considered. Some people have received excellent deals on them but here in Western Washington they are sold exclusively through The Tire Factory which is a chain of independent franchises and they ain't particularly cheap. However, they are less than the "competition" and considering their performance they are indeed a "bargain"..
4) The 245/70/16 size fits superbly on my Liberty - no issues at all.
5) These tires are indeed quieter than my NEW stock Goodyear wrangler ST highway tires! I was VERY skeptical of this claim after seeing the aggressive tread on these things. However, I compared them on the same stretch of roads in the same conditions 2 hours apart and they were noticeably quieter. I got rid of my Wranglers because they lousy in all conditions. They also seemed to go flat all the time - twice the damage was through the tread and was large enough to be unrepairable and once through the sidewall which is never repairable.
6) These tires corner as well as my stock Wrangler STs. Not better, but the same. Which, again because of the tread surprised me.
7) These are, by far, the best gripping tire I have ever owned - and this includes some Blizzaks I had for a while. Once again, I took them up an identical stretch of road I have driven many times. This road has everything: Mud, gravel, some small rock play and now that it is winter, it heads up a steep hill into the snowline. This is a superb tire that is an excellent balance of all worlds. I did not know what this CRD was capable until I drove it last night! It was almost like driving one of those little 4 wheeler ORVs. Conditions at the snowline were heavy Cascade cement snow. As I moved up higher it got deeper and deeper until I was finally stopped on a steep grade due to the Jeep high-centering on a mound of snow I had been plowing in front of me. Keep in mind this was deep, wet, slimy snow. I was a good mile past the last of the monster truck tracks.

These tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, which is exceptional for a tire like this.
9) Need I say more? After agonizing over the endless online debates about tires, I seem to have found the right ones for the way I drive which includes: Every condition imaginable on a regular basis. The only stuff I don't drive is limited by the fact that my CRD is completely stock. I really do need a hybrid tire for what I do. Specialty tires would definitely be better in their respective areas: For example, I would not expect these would perform as well as swampers in the mud. (BTW: Nokian makes superb versions of these too) However, I simply cannot afford the time or money or patience to constantly swap out tires for each occasion and I enjoy being able to hear my radio as I drive down the highway instead of an over amplified swarm of bees.

Bottom line: These are THE tires if you need a hybrid tire for most any conditions. My wife has a CRD as well and I will be putting a set on her car as soon as I can afford it.

Cost: $550 out the door.

- Chris

Deep, heavy & fun:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Nokian's are awesome tires, and the Vatiiva's have great reviews. However, mud and snow rated means next to nothing.

The winter traction designation that the tire manufacturing industry uses is the "snowflake on the mountain" symbol, thus why you hear folks mention snowflake rated tires. The Nokian all season truck tires that earn this rating are the WR's.

This matters, in Oregon at least, if you plan on driving in the mountains. When traction device requirements are in place on the passes, you either drive with snow chains or snowflake rated tires, or get a hefty fine from the Highway Patrol if caught.

That said, I've got no particular loyalty to any brand or make of tire, and it seems like the Vatiivas are working out great for you.

I had a ton of fun playing in the snow in NE Oregon last week on a ski vacation. Lots of cross country skiing, mixed in with driving our CRD on fresh powder that ranged up to 12" deep. Amazing traction, and the braking was fantastic given the conditions. The scary driving, though, was on packed snow and ice on the highway, surrounded by semi's running chains and lifted 3/4 ton pick-ups that were skidding all over the place. Those are the winter driving conditions where the pain of spending $$ on good tires comes into perspective.

KeighJeigh · **Posted:** Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:51 pm

Threweight wrote:

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The winter traction designation that the tire manufacturing industry uses is the "snowflake on the mountain" symbol, thus why you hear folks mention snowflake rated tires. The Nokian all season truck tires that earn this rating are the WR's.
This matters, in Oregon at least, if you plan on driving in the mountains. When traction device requirements are in place on the passes, you either drive with snow chains or snowflake rated tires, or get a hefty fine from the Highway Patrol if caught.

You might want to check this again. Here in Washington where things tend to be even more strict - and where they have stopped traffic on I-90 half a dozen times this year for physical chain inspections - that rule only applies to 2 WD cars. 4WD are not checked for anything and are waved by.

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That said, I've got no particular loyalty to any brand or make of tire, and it seems like the Vatiivas are working out great for you.

They are working out for me so far, but I'm most definitely not brand loyal and if these tires begin to fall apart, prematurely wear out or otherwise piss me off rest assured you guys will be the first to hear about it! Part of my enthusiasm was that there are so many conflicting reports about tires in general in all the various forums that I was glad to find something that did not appear to have any horrible reviews and that actually does work well. Like many products I research before buying, there is almost always someone who had a horrible experience with a product which makes me hesitate. I often end up looking at what they are complaining about and try to determine if it makes sense or not.

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I had a ton of fun playing in the snow in NE Oregon last week on a ski vacation. Lots of cross country skiing, mixed in with driving our CRD on fresh powder that ranged up to 12" deep. Amazing traction, and the braking was fantastic given the conditions. The scary driving, though, was on packed snow and ice on the highway, surrounded by semi's running chains and lifted 3/4 ton pick-ups that were skidding all over the place. Those are the winter driving conditions where the pain of spending $$ on good tires comes into perspective.

I think you guys are having the same conditions we are this winter. A great snow pack - over 10 feet already - and a heck of a lot better than the past few years! But yep, it brings out the people who have yet to learn their monster trucks don't brake any faster in those conditions than the Honda Civic with good snow tires next to it. I even saw a pickup in a tree this year - wedge between two big firs 6 ft above the ground. I have yet to figure out how the hell he got there, but it was packed wet snow & ice and people were speeding. :roll:

DocB · **Posted:** Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:55 am

Adding something else this thread in relation to the OP:
I see many of you are running the 245/70 series AT/snow tires.
What do you all think about the 225/75s cutting through the snow better than the wider 245/70s ?
Just a question.....

chrispitude · **Posted:** Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:53 am

DocB wrote:

Adding something else this thread in relation to the OP:
I see many of you are running the 245/70 series AT/snow tires.
What do you all think about the 225/75s cutting through the snow better than the wider 245/70s ?
Just a question.....

We run 225/75 Blizzaks and they work great.

- Chris

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

My sizing decisions were a matter of necessity.

I bought 5 235/75/16 AT's last summer because I wanted as much ground clearance as I could get without a lift, and these are the tallest tires that will fit without a lift. When I looked for snow tires, i wanted to get the same size (so I only had to buy 4, and could use my AT spare). Unfortunately, no one makes a decent studless winter tire in 235/75/16, so I went with the closest possible height (245/70/16) in hopes that if I ever do have to use my spare in the snow, the difference is small enough that it won't trigger the Jeep's traction control to go haywire.

If your spare is 225/75, I see no reason not to run snow tires the same size.

DocB · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:40 am

OK. Makes sense. I'm listening.....

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

DocB wrote:

OK. Makes sense. I'm listening.....

Narrow is better for (generally), as you want to cut down through the surface layer on the road to get to the solid pavement (or packed snow/ice) underneath). Exceptions are for really deep snow, but given the sizes you are looking at, I'm guessing you want a tire for winter highway driving that is going to grip well. 225/75 should work great.

Based on my experience in all kinds of snow conditions over the last few weeks, I'd highly recommend Michelen X-Ice Latitudes if you are shopping for a studless snow tire. I prefer the studless due to the fact that in my state studded tires are only legal mid-November to the end of March, and studded tires tend to give up some handling performance on wet pavement vs. studless (and winter in Western Oregon is pretty darn wet).

Blizzaks are great during the first half of their life, but the porous outer material on the tire that makes it grip so well is only 1/2 the depth of the tires tread.

danoid · **Posted:** Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:40 pm

I'll just stick with my four friends, Lumpy, Bumpy, Noisy & Shaky

Awesome traction in snow and ice, mud, dirt, stones, sand...

KeighJeigh · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:31 am

DocB wrote:

Adding something else this thread in relation to the OP:
I see many of you are running the 245/70 series AT/snow tires.
What do you all think about the 225/75s cutting through the snow better than the wider 245/70s ?
Just a question.....

As a general rule, narrower is better for general around town type snow driving because the smaller tire-to-road contact patch means greater psi for the tread to cut into the snow. However, I have found a definite difference having wider tires when on deeper snow - especially deep, packed snow where I often drive. For example, this afternoon I drove up onto a logging road that had a foot of packed, wet snow on top of it. This is something I never would have been able to do with narrower tires because they would have sunk down and likely been stuck.
I think tire stores would have happier customers if they spent more time inquiring about customer's driving habits and how often they care to come back for tire change outs. In my case, I would love to have the time and money to change from mudders to snow tires to highway tires etc... but I'm not going to and I really don't want screaming loud tires I had on my last Jeep. I need a hybrid tire that focuses on deep snow but can also do well on gravel and is quiet for highway use.
The Blizzaks I had a few years back were great - for one season. I think they have improved wear characteristics now however. But, the ones I looked at recently were so expensive I did not consider them worth the money - and from my personal experience were not any better than the Nokians on snow.
BTW:
I'm not sure if anyone else has had this issue or not, but there are potential problems when changing tires if you have the TPS system as I do. It keeps showing the tires as having low pressure - even when they are fine. According to the owners manual, this may be due to the fact that my current tires run a lower PSI than the factory tires thus the low pressure set point in the TPS is too high. It suggests a trip to the dealer to have it reprogrammed......but I wondering if there might be some way to reset this myself??

Another set of Bridgestone Revos?

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