Dang CA thwarts the diesel again

WWV · **Joined:** Mon May 15, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 121

Dang blanket laws that don't take real world applications into account! This article just came out on Yahoo news about hybrid car that gets incredible mileage. When you go to website and read details, you find out that prototype got 230 MPG and was a diesel but they can't get it certified in Caleefornya.

Link to website www.aptera.com

Quote from article:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist. Diesel is attractive for its Carnot efficiency and the increased enthalpy of Diesel fuel vs gasoline. However, diesel contains lots of unburned hydrocarbons and NOX compounds, and it's impossible to get a small Diesel engine certified for emissions in California. Therefore, the typ-h uses a small, water-cooled EFI Gasoline engine with closed loop oxygen feedback and catalytic converter. This engine is coupled to a lightweight 12KW starter/generator. It's very clean and quiet. "

Anyways....thought was cool application and worth a read. Oh, technically, it's a motorcycle.

WWV

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:31 pm

..and smoking Condor crap.

Question: If another large enough island popped up in the Pacific just west of California, would the nuts go there and and let the sensible people live there?

Steve

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Sorry guys, bashing California might be fun, but your wrong. If you've got the cash, you can buy a 3.0 diesel MB E320 in California right now.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2007/10/mercedes-debuts.html

Perhaps the engineers with this company can't figure out how to do it, but meeting the air regs with diesels has already been done.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:29 am

I don't live in California, but almost every time I have been there I have been stuck behind an old junker that could not pass an emissions test any where in the US with out recycling it as scrap metal. When you take a close look almost always that junker is from Mexico. If they would only nail the obviously polluting junkers driven by Illegals and the ones with out current license tags, that would do more to make the air cleaner.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:22 am

warp2diesel wrote:

I don't live in California, but almost every time I have been there I have been stuck behind an old junker that could not pass an emissions test any where in the US with out recycling it as scrap metal. When you take a close look almost always that junker is from Mexico. If they would only nail the obviously polluting junkers driven by Illegals and the ones with out current license tags, that would do more to make the air cleaner.

the old junker belching fumes problem is all over and they are driven by a range of nationalities :lol:

In Ohio it's mostly big old vans driven by painters or old conversion vans. Both running on half of the eight cylinders and the smell makes your nose burn :oops:

indianrefining · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:58 am

WWV wrote:

Dang blanket laws that don't take real world applications into account! This article just came out on Yahoo news about hybrid car that gets incredible mileage. When you go to website and read details, you find out that prototype got 230 MPG and was a diesel but they can't get it certified in Caleefornya.

Link to website www.aptera.com

Quote from article:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist. Diesel is attractive for its Carnot efficiency and the increased enthalpy of Diesel fuel vs gasoline. However, diesel contains lots of unburned hydrocarbons and NOX compounds, and it's impossible to get a small Diesel engine certified for emissions in California. Therefore, the typ-h uses a small, water-cooled EFI Gasoline engine with closed loop oxygen feedback and catalytic converter. This engine is coupled to a lightweight 12KW starter/generator. It's very clean and quiet. "

Anyways....thought was cool application and worth a read. Oh, technically, it's a motorcycle.

WWV

Their "engineers" would never make it at Cummins! :roll:

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Joe Romas wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I don't live in California, but almost every time I have been there I have been stuck behind an old junker that could not pass an emissions test any where in the US with out recycling it as scrap metal. When you take a close look almost always that junker is from Mexico. If they would only nail the obviously polluting junkers driven by Illegals and the ones with out current license tags, that would do more to make the air cleaner.

the old junker belching fumes problem is all over and they are driven by a range of nationalities :lol:

In Ohio it's mostly big old vans driven by painters or old conversion vans. Both running on half of the eight cylinders and the smell makes your nose burn :oops:

Hell, thats my father in his old 77 Ford F150. Has nothing to do with illegals or Mexicans. Lots of people won't let go of a vehicle they've had for decades regardless of emissions(which they don't give a darn about), maintinence costs or reliability. Its what they like and what they drive.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:08 pm

Kalifornia can fall into the ocean anytime now. Seriously.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:18 pm

geordi wrote:

Kalifornia can fall into the ocean anytime now. Seriously.

I'll keep my fingers crossed :lol:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:52 pm

Reflex wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I don't live in California, but almost every time I have been there I have been stuck behind an old junker that could not pass an emissions test any where in the US with out recycling it as scrap metal. When you take a close look almost always that junker is from Mexico. If they would only nail the obviously polluting junkers driven by Illegals and the ones with out current license tags, that would do more to make the air cleaner.

the old junker belching fumes problem is all over and they are driven by a range of nationalities :lol:

In Ohio it's mostly big old vans driven by painters or old conversion vans. Both running on half of the eight cylinders and the smell makes your nose burn :oops:

Hell, thats my father in his old 77 Ford F150. Has nothing to do with illegals or Mexicans. Lots of people won't let go of a vehicle they've had for decades regardless of emissions(which they don't give a darn about), maintinence costs or reliability. Its what they like and what they drive.

Reflex: Since you are fluent in English, I will assume your father is as well and his '77 Ford 150 has to be in better tune than the JUNKERS I and others make reference to. In fact when I was in Mexico I NEVER found a truck or car that ran as poorly as the ones driven by Illegals in California. Since they disregard the law by coming here illegally, why would they follow any other laws like renewing their Mexican license plate tags or keep their vehicles in good running condition.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Your logic is confusing. Our laws by definition do not apply to them, so it would seem strange to assume that their behaviour under our laws have anything to do with their behaviour under their laws in Mexico. Regardless, your logic is very strange. And no, my father's truck is NOT in good shape. In fact it stalls out routinely, belches smoke and basically runs like crap with no tuneups in years and oil changes when he remembers them. And he don't give a doo doo.

And whats language got to do with it? There are Mexican run service shops in my own neighborhood, I'm sure there are many in Cali as well.

BTW, how are you checking that its illegals driving the junkers in CA? Curious if your like doing some sort of a random license check or something. Seems a bit of a racially charged accusation or something.

WWV · **Joined:** Mon May 15, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 121

Wow guys, I figured this would raise some discussion but not on imigration. There are arguments both for and against imigration, both legal and illegal but that's not the point here. These guys took a good concept and because of their geographic location, can't further their idea.....yeah, I know.....move! But that's not the american way now is it....(or is it?).

Anyways, this being a deisel forum, I thought the idea was promising.......any thoughts on the technology????

WWV
06 Silver Sport

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:10 pm

....to come to the conclusion that when you see a smog belching car or truck with an expired tag on a Mexican plate in California, Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas that it is not an outstanding law abiding Mexican on vacation in the US visiting family. In the humble second largest city in Illinois called Aurora, the police routinely stop cars with expired tags and guess what they catch? Illegals with most having outstanding warrants. Why aren't the smog belching cars coming to Illinois, they never make it, they break down (Thank Our Creator).

B.T.T.: California could do more for the environment by targeting smog belching vehicles with expired tags and checking out the drivers who may be illegal, wanted, or just missing than by harassing diesel owners or companies who manufacture them.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:26 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

B.T.T.: California could do more for the environment by targeting smog belching vehicles with expired tags and checking out the drivers who may be illegal, wanted, or just missing than by harassing diesel owners or companies who manufacture them.

I'm quite sure you are right. But you KNOW that the pro-amnesty bunch would be INSTANTLY out on crusade howling about how it is simply profiling the innocent hispanic who is only looking to get an honest day labor's pay under the table so they can send it Western Union back south of the border.

Its not profiling, its common sense. I was in Las Vegas 2 years ago when they were having all those marches and demonstrations in LA and the rest of the southwest. All of the mexicans called in sick and went to the march in Vegas too. Threw the whole city into turmoil.

I'm fully in favor of the enforcement of existing laws that allow status checks for anyone stopped for any other offense. Get pulled over for that expired tag? Get checked for status. Not a citizen, and not here legally? How about we stop feeding and housing them in our jails, but set up an IMMEDIATE transfer to the border.

Offer dorm-style housing, $200 / week and free gasoline and ammo to rednecks to guard the border. Same laws as anywhere else, they can't shoot anyone unless they are defending themselves... But nothing against firing into the air or the ground. I'll bet you will have more eyes on that border than if you told them that the invaders were hooters girls.

Anyone who wants to fix a dam knows you have to PLUG THE LEAK FIRST. Why can't our government figure that out?

805gregg · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:43 pm

[quote="WWV"]Dang blanket laws that don't take real world applications into account! This article just came out on Yahoo news about hybrid car that gets incredible mileage. When you go to website and read details, you find out that prototype got 230 MPG and was a diesel but they can't get it certified in Caleefornya.

Doesn't have to be certified in Ca, just needs 7600 miles and can be registured here, just like my KJ.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Hey, why stop at Mexicans? Second largest group of illegals is east Indians last I checked, they come in in large numbers from Canada and either sneak accross or overstay their visas. Should randomly check all of them too, since we are on a crusade here, right? Or are we just reffering to the 'undersirable' types, since apparantly hispanics are the real 'troublemakers'?

Just trying to get the ground rules clear here. Canada accounts for around 40% of illegal immigration after all, but hey, if thats not a problem let me know...

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

geordi wrote:

Offer dorm-style housing, $200 / week and free gasoline and ammo to rednecks to guard the border. Same laws as anywhere else, they can't shoot anyone unless they are defending themselves... But nothing against firing into the air or the ground.

It is amazing how easy it is for politicians to invent an issue to get people all riled up so they ignore deeper problems. So many people pissed off about immigration "dragging down the US economy," and most don't make a peep about the fact that our national economy is being pissed away to the tune of a billion dollars a day in Iraq.

Back to the diesel tech, sure, it sounds interesting. But I'm not impressed with the engineers throwing up their hands and saying "poor us, we're being picked on by California" when other diesel folks are getting the job done.

MidnightLiberty · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:42 pm **Posts:** 270

Joe Romas wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I don't live in California, but almost every time I have been there I have been stuck behind an old junker that could not pass an emissions test any where in the US with out recycling it as scrap metal. When you take a close look almost always that junker is from Mexico. If they would only nail the obviously polluting junkers driven by Illegals and the ones with out current license tags, that would do more to make the air cleaner.

the old junker belching fumes problem is all over and they are driven by a range of nationalities :lol:

In Ohio it's mostly big old vans driven by painters or old conversion vans. Both running on half of the eight cylinders and the smell makes your nose burn :oops:

In the Washington State the vans are driven by the guys who fear Amber Alerts. See image below:

Dang CA thwarts the diesel again

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