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Just bought 2005 CRD KJ

2005 LJ 37's 3.5" Hybrid Lift

[quote="jdemonto"][b]I am one of those TJ guys awaiting the 2.8 VM swap......Why? I like Diesels.....I own a 2005 Bone stock KJ 2.8 and a 2004 VW Jetta 1.9 TDI and love them both...the wrangler would make my collection complete!!

I hope to hear by Wed at EJS......quote]

Yep, I love Diesels, so this would be icing on the cake. Plus, my wife loved her 2004 Wrangler and is wanting it back, and I want a diesel, so it would be a win/win situation. Please keep us informed if you hear anything!

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2015 Ram Ecodiesel/Big Horn/4x4/Quad Cab
2016 Arctic Fox 22G/Onboard 2500 LP Cummins Onan Generator/160 Watt Solar Panel

I took the road less traveled. Now I'm LOST.

First of all...for the guy who said the KJ rides the same as all the "real Jeeps" until you get back to the 1970s... what are YOU smoking? My '92 YJ rode so bad when I bought it that my wife and I couldn't hardly stand it off-road. I put OME springs at all corners to soften it up, and it still rides like a tobacco wagon. The KJ rides like a CADILLAC compared to any Wrangler, CJ, Cherokee, etc.

Second...the Cummins engines are the kings of diesel. Everybody knows that. But the 4bt never has and never will be designed with Jeeps in mind, and the VM engine has. That's why it makes more sense to just make a OEM swap kit for the VM engine.

Third...I've had 6, 750 lbs. of weight behind my VM powered KJ climbing the hills of Tennessee before and I cruised up them at the speed limit. The VM engine makes all kinds of torque and runs smooth as a top and is even quiet (for the people who care about that)...so I would have no problem with the VM engine over the Cummins or vise versa.

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2005 Stone White KJ Limited CRD 4x4
Off-Road Pkg
Trac-Lok
Emu 790s/948s
Skyjacker H7088s rear/Bilsteins front
15x7 Black Rock Lobos/31x10.50 Firestones
GDE HOT Tune + TCM Tune
Euro TC
CB radio
Thrush Turbo muffler
AEM DryFlow filter

I agree with the VM motor..I have one in my Liberty. I have to say my Wrangler LJ rides very close to my Kj even though I have 37's on it!

BTW heres the link:

http://forum.jkboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=5805&start=15


Jason

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Just bought 2005 CRD KJ

2005 LJ 37's 3.5" Hybrid Lift

"Chrysler LLC should be credited with making a strong push for diesels in the U.S., having sold oil burners like the last-gen Jeep Liberty CRD and current Grand Cherokee CRD for the past few years already. People who prefer crawling rocks to carrying kids, however, are clamoring for a diesel motor in the Wrangler. Though Jeep has no plans of which we're aware on offering a diesel Wrangler in showrooms, Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar, is reportedly working on an engine swap kit that would allow owners to install the 2.8L diesel four-cylinder from the last-gen Liberty CRD in their Wranglers. The 2.8L four-cylinder produces 160 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque, and while it was good for 21 mpg city/26 mpg highway in the Liberty, Wrangler owners are probably more interested in its prodigious torque that's well-suited for off-road excursions than its frugality with fuel. Jeep is throwing an excursion of its own for the media in Moab, Utah while we'll be covering the New York Auto Show next week, but more information is promised by the source of this info, 4Wheel Drive & Sport Utility Magazine, afterwards."
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep ... -wrangler/

"The wait is almost over! Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar Performance, is working on a stand-alone diesel engine swap kit to drop the 2.8 diesel that first appeared in the Jeep Liberty into your TJ, YJ, CJ, or? While we'll have more details (and maybe a photo or two) after Jeep Safari in Moab, this is the real deal and is going to happen. Everything needed to install the diesel mill into a Jeep will come with the kit - including a stand-alone wiring harness and non-EGR motor! You may have heard that some Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. The Jeep Performance diesel swap kit's 2.8 diesel doesn't have the troublesome EGR, so expect it to be problem-free. We'll get you more information when we get it. Stay tuned..."
http://blogs.4wdandsportutility.com/623 ... index.html

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2015 Ram Ecodiesel/Big Horn/4x4/Quad Cab
2016 Arctic Fox 22G/Onboard 2500 LP Cummins Onan Generator/160 Watt Solar Panel

I took the road less traveled. Now I'm LOST.

I wonder how many broken front CV joints we will see on the trails when those who have cut their teeth on gas wranglers try to bump their wrangler with the shinny new VM Motori graphics on the side over their first ledge. When the pedal is halfway down and the turbo kicks in things are going to break.

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Manure green 2005 CRD sport4x4, GDE Hot tune, Cat Gut, OE skids, Draw tight hitch, Duramax lift pump, 160K on multiple varieties of fuel, XM radio, Escort live with Redline, fog light mod, GPS, Icom IC7000 all band radio call sign KC9QPF, Grabber AT2s on Soft 8s, FIA grill blanket.

CV joints in a Wrangler?

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

my thoughts as well.

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http://www.Colorado4Wheel.com
"Its not about what you can DO with your Jeep, its about where you can GO with your Jeep."
Knowledgeable - But Caustic

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Just bought 2005 CRD KJ

2005 LJ 37's 3.5" Hybrid Lift

Oops. yes, U-joints. I was thinking in IFS terms. As most here on the forum already know the power curve in a turbocharged vehicle is very non-linear when applied from a stop. It just takes some getting used to if one has never tried it on the trail before. Slickrock would probably not be the best place to learn the quirks of a new diesel transplant especially with big 35's.

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Manure green 2005 CRD sport4x4, GDE Hot tune, Cat Gut, OE skids, Draw tight hitch, Duramax lift pump, 160K on multiple varieties of fuel, XM radio, Escort live with Redline, fog light mod, GPS, Icom IC7000 all band radio call sign KC9QPF, Grabber AT2s on Soft 8s, FIA grill blanket.

Once you get rid of the VNT turbo you will have a much flatter torque curve with the turbo deisel.I have driven many turbo deisel's offroad and never have that wind up of power that a VNT engine has,the smallest one had 37" tires,the biggest had 70" tires(and 650HP,2200lbs-ft of torque).

Nope. A VGT provides the smoothest power curve possible, Thats why virtually all turbocharged vehicles use them now. Look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_g ... rbocharger I'm not saying that turbodiesels are bad for offroading, to the contrary. I'm just saying that they are different than a normally aspirated gas powered ride.

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Manure green 2005 CRD sport4x4, GDE Hot tune, Cat Gut, OE skids, Draw tight hitch, Duramax lift pump, 160K on multiple varieties of fuel, XM radio, Escort live with Redline, fog light mod, GPS, Icom IC7000 all band radio call sign KC9QPF, Grabber AT2s on Soft 8s, FIA grill blanket.

I found that just using 4-high was plenty for me in the CRD. Where I would normally use 4-low in the YJ, I would just stay with 4-high in the CRD. I don't rock crawl much anyway. And besides, with the drive-by-wire setup...they have altered the 4-low setting in the computer now days and there is a programmed lag in 4-low that SUCKS and I hate it with a passion. So just use the CRD torque and cruise down the trail in 4-high and it's not hard to get used to at all.

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2005 Stone White KJ Limited CRD 4x4
Off-Road Pkg
Trac-Lok
Emu 790s/948s
Skyjacker H7088s rear/Bilsteins front
15x7 Black Rock Lobos/31x10.50 Firestones
GDE HOT Tune + TCM Tune
Euro TC
CB radio
Thrush Turbo muffler
AEM DryFlow filter