Federal Diesel Tax

blake1827 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:09 pm

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j057jBReERcsF-FcZRSWe0h1gaXQD90BPVF01
Since this has been in the news I thought it was interesting there was such a discrepancy in the difference between gas and diesel.
"The tax is 18.4 cents on a gallon of gasoline and 24.4 cents on diesel fuel."

Seriously why do we pay roughly 25% more?! :twisted:

I figure it has something to do with the average higher axel weight and wear and tear on the roads from all the semis crisscrossing the country moving freight but am I the only person that thinks it's wrong?

Scott Langohr · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:46 am

Can't think of any tax that is fair to everyone. Taxes, by their nature, are unfair to the ones assessed a tax. Usually there are a few that pay the tax for the betterment of the many. The many say "Ya! lets tax the diesel fuel because I want to drive my gas car on smooth highways and I don't have to pay the tax anyway. Most of the diesel users are big trucking corporations that are just making money anyway" The diesel users are fewer in numbers and can do little to stop the unfair assessment. The best used tax retoric used by the political government is "Let's tax big corporations that are making lots of money!" Joe Normal says "Ya! lets tax them". The corporations then add the tax to the cost of doing business, slap a mark-up on it, and Joe Normal ends up paying the tax and the markup when he buys the goods or service the corporation provides. Joe Normal is blindly happy, the corporations are uneffected, and the government gets to waste Joe Normal's hard earned money without him knowing it. This works fine until the corporation has to compete on the world market with other corporations that do not have to add the tax to their cost of doing business. Now the corporation is not competively priced so what can they do? They are forced to move the corporation to a country that does not impose the tax in order to be competatively placed in the market and compete on an even playing field. Joe Normal looses his job and is mad that the corporation for taking his job and giving it to a worker in another country. He is not mad at the government for driving the corporation out of the country. Joe Normal gets another lower paying job at another corporation that has chosen to cut cost by paying it's employees less compensation and benifits in order to cover the corporate taxes and remain competative in the market for their product. This works fine until the government has to raise the taxes on this corporation in order to cover the lost taxes by the one that was forced to move out. This corporation is no longer competative, has cut it's production costs to the bone and has nowhere to turn but bankruptcy court. Joe Normal lost his job and is flipping burgers wondering what happened? He says "Those ******* corporations! Lets vote for the guy that wants to raise taxes on the big food corporations". Joe Normal never sees that the problem is taxes and goverment gets more bloated and burps a happy satisfied burp after swallowing Joe Normal and adding him to the permanent role of the government dependant dole.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:16 pm

Scott Langohr wrote:

Can't think of any tax that is fair to everyone. Taxes, by their nature, are unfair to the ones assessed a tax. Usually there are a few that pay the tax for the betterment of the many. The many say "Ya! lets tax the diesel fuel because I want to drive my gas car on smooth highways and I don't have to pay the tax anyway. Most of the diesel users are big trucking corporations that are just making money anyway" The diesel users are fewer in numbers and can do little to stop the unfair assessment. The best used tax retoric used by the political government is "Let's tax big corporations that are making lots of money!" Joe Normal says "Ya! lets tax them". The corporations then add the tax to the cost of doing business, slap a mark-up on it, and Joe Normal ends up paying the tax and the markup when he buys the goods or service the corporation provides. Joe Normal is blindly happy, the corporations are uneffected, and the government gets to waste Joe Normal's hard earned money without him knowing it. This works fine until the corporation has to compete on the world market with other corporations that do not have to add the tax to their cost of doing business. Now the corporation is not competively priced so what can they do? They are forced to move the corporation to a country that does not impose the tax in order to be competatively placed in the market and compete on an even playing field. Joe Normal looses his job and is mad that the corporation for taking his job and giving it to a worker in another country. He is not mad at the government for driving the corporation out of the country. Joe Normal gets another lower paying job at another corporation that has chosen to cut cost by paying it's employees less compensation and benifits in order to cover the corporate taxes and remain competative in the market for their product. This works fine until the government has to raise the taxes on this corporation in order to cover the lost taxes by the one that was forced to move out. This corporation is no longer competative, has cut it's production costs to the bone and has nowhere to turn but bankruptcy court. Joe Normal lost his job and is flipping burgers wondering what happened? He says "Those ******* corporations! Lets vote for the guy that wants to raise taxes on the big food corporations". Joe Normal never sees that the problem is taxes and goverment gets more bloated and burps a happy satisfied burp after swallowing Joe Normal and adding him to the permanent role of the government dependant dole.

Well......ok then.

flash7210 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:56 pm

FWIW, here is my solution.

The Feds issue everyone who wants one a pre-paid fuel card.
This would allow users to pay for X number of gallons at whatever the
nationwide average price is at that time, tax free. (i.e. you pay for 100 gal
at todays tax free rate of $3.01 for a total of $301.00)
Use the card like any other fleet service card. Swipe it, enter PIN, vehicle
mileage, and begin pumping. Your pre-paid account tracks gallons used and
miles driven. When you've used up all your pre-paid gallons you purchase
more at what ever the price is that day.
Your account will continue to track miles and gallons throughout the whole
year and at the end of the year you recieve your statement. This statement
will be used with you federal tax return to determine how much you owe in
taxes on fuel and road usage.

Yeah, there are probably ways to cheat the system but certain safeguards
or penalties could be put in place. Like a higher rate for drivers who average
less than 15mpg. Or, higher rates for drivers who go more that 12000 miles
per year.
But hey, people already cheat the system so whats the difference.
I just think this system would be more fair and encourage drivers to be
more aware of how much fuel they use and how they use their vehicle.

I'm not an economist or a politician, but this system sounds good to me,
at least in theory. :wink:

retmil46 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:03 pm

As far as the proposed gas tax "holiday" give me a break - less than 20 cents per gallon - most state taxes are far more than that. Big whoop - so I'd only be paying $3.80/gallon instead of $4/gallon this summer. With savings like that, I'll be able to afford that trip to Disneyland. :roll:

And as one commentator pointed out this morning, there's nothing forcing the station owners to lower their prices during such a tax holiday - he opined they would just keep their prices the same and pocket the extra 20 cents/gallon profit.

If they were really serious about doing something concerning high fuel costs, they'd slap Bernanke and the Federal Reserve up side the head and tell them to quit creating money out of thin air to bail out private banks and devaluing the dollar, and put some oversight back in place when it comes to commodities trading - ie, if you're just trading paper and don't need the physical product, find another shell game to make money at.

blake1827 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:16 pm

Well I did do a little more research and did find that by far most of the revenue still is comming from the gasoline tax.
http://www.itd.idaho.gov/info/ti.forum/FinalReport/docs/Appendix%20E-Presentations/Federal%20Revenue-Steve%20Moreno%20010405.pdf
"Gasoline is by far the largest contributor of federal fuel tax revenue" pg. 1 slide 3
But life's not fair and taxes are certain. I think it sucks I'm paying by far more this year for dino diesel than for B20 I paid a premium for alll last summer.

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

As someone who drives 30 to 50k miles a year, I oppose any and all forms of mileage tax.

Tax the displacement. Anything over 2.xx litres has a 20% tax on the price of the vehicle, and make that tax due every year.

That might affect sales of vehicles like CRDs Libbys, but it would also be incentive for a compliant engine (lets say that 2.5L was the cut off) could be put in (like the 2.5L VM engine that the 2.8 is based on).

Even with the tax, compare the 4-banger gas to the CRD in a Jeep. Compare a Jetta 2.5 to a Jetta TDI. You tell me the Diesel engine isn't cheaper to operate long or short term over the gas version. The numbers don't lie.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 5:42 pm

Corporations get the tax money from the money they get when they sell their products. Force the corporations to pay more we will pay more as our friends in Canada and acrross the pond do.
For an example; I do not smoke so how would tobacco taxes effect me?
Make the Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes $100.00 a pack, since I do not smoke, how will this effect me?
1) A new type of black market will evolve and Criminals will start selling Black Market Cigarettes most likely smuggled in through border with Mexico and other goods coming from overseas.
2) People who buy the Black Market Cigarettes will also be criminals.
3) Federal Customs, Border Patrol, BATFE, State, County, and Local law enforcement will need more money to do their jobs and there will be more people hired in these departments as well.
4) New prisons will need to be built to house the new criminals.

Where do you think all of this money will come from?

You and Me of course, We pay all of the taxes, even on the products we do not consume ourselves.

When we have elected officials who Sensibly Grow the Economy (and not bail out crooks in the finance field as pointed out above) to obtain revenue instead of raping the economy, there is enough money to run the Government.

Steve

Uffe · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 6:16 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Corporations get the tax money from the money they get when they sell their products. Force the corporations to pay more we will pay more as our friends in Canada and acrross the pond do.
For an example; I do not smoke so how would tobacco taxes effect me?
Make the Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes $100.00 a pack, since I do not smoke, how will this effect me?
1) A new type of black market will evolve and Criminals will start selling Black Market Cigarettes most likely smuggled in through border with Mexico and other goods coming from overseas.
2) People who buy the Black Market Cigarettes will also be criminals.
3) Federal Customs, Border Patrol, BATFE, State, County, and Local law enforcement will need more money to do their jobs and there will be more people hired in these departments as well.
4) New prisons will need to be built to house the new criminals.

Where do you think all of this money will come from?

You and Me of course, We pay all of the taxes, even on the products we do not consume ourselves.

When we have elected officials who Sensibly Grow the Economy (and not bail out crooks in the finance field as pointed out above) to obtain revenue instead of raping the economy, there is enough money to run the Government.

Steve

That's a pretty drastic experiment you're thinking about there. In reality you would raise taxes to a level where the black market won't be common to buy cigarettes from. Raise the tax just slightly and nobody wants to risk to do something illigal over a slight price increase, no black market then. That way you've got some more money in the government fund box, yay!

Uffe · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 6:27 pm

Scott Langohr wrote:

...This works fine until the corporation has to compete on the world market with other corporations that do not have to add the tax to their cost of doing business. Now the corporation is not competively priced so what can they do? They are forced to move the corporation to a country that does not impose the tax in order to be competatively placed in the market and compete on an even playing field. .

So how do you sell your product in the country in which the tax is in effect? In this case we're talking about diesel taxes, why would a company move their business elsewhere over a little tax on diesel? If they need to ship their stuff, they place their factory at the harbor and don't drive any distance at all. Internally it's a level playing field for all companies that want to sell their products.

If every company moves away, the currency of that country is going down the drain, suddenly becoming more competitive in the world market because their currency is in lower value compared to others and the workers are still paid in whatever currency is used internally. It's a system that balances itself, so to improve your competitiveness there are many factors which a product can be marketed at.

In Denmark we generally have very high wages and most of our production that requires workers is shipped to china. Robot production is fine because robots don't want a salary. Our main goal is to compete using knowledge instead of raw production industry.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 7:43 pm

Uffe wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Corporations get the tax money from the money they get when they sell their products. Force the corporations to pay more we will pay more as our friends in Canada and acrross the pond do.
For an example; I do not smoke so how would tobacco taxes effect me?
Make the Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes $100.00 a pack, since I do not smoke, how will this effect me?
1) A new type of black market will evolve and Criminals will start selling Black Market Cigarettes most likely smuggled in through border with Mexico and other goods coming from overseas.
2) People who buy the Black Market Cigarettes will also be criminals.
3) Federal Customs, Border Patrol, BATFE, State, County, and Local law enforcement will need more money to do their jobs and there will be more people hired in these departments as well.
4) New prisons will need to be built to house the new criminals.

Where do you think all of this money will come from?

You and Me of course, We pay all of the taxes, even on the products we do not consume ourselves.

When we have elected officials who Sensibly Grow the Economy (and not bail out crooks in the finance field as pointed out above) to obtain revenue instead of raping the economy, there is enough money to run the Government.

Steve

That's a pretty drastic experiment you're thinking about there. In reality you would raise taxes to a level where the black market won't be common to buy cigarettes from. Raise the tax just slightly and nobody wants to risk to do something illigal over a slight price increase, no black market then. That way you've got some more money in the government fund box, yay!

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 7:51 pm

Uffe wrote:

Scott Langohr wrote:

...This works fine until the corporation has to compete on the world market with other corporations that do not have to add the tax to their cost of doing business. Now the corporation is not competively priced so what can they do? They are forced to move the corporation to a country that does not impose the tax in order to be competatively placed in the market and compete on an even playing field. .

So how do you sell your product in the country in which the tax is in effect? In this case we're talking about diesel taxes, why would a company move their business elsewhere over a little tax on diesel? If they need to ship their stuff, they place their factory at the harbor and don't drive any distance at all. Internally it's a level playing field for all companies that want to sell their products.

If every company moves away, the currency of that country is going down the drain, suddenly becoming more competitive in the world market because their currency is in lower value compared to others and the workers are still paid in whatever currency is used internally. It's a system that balances itself, so to improve your competitiveness there are many factors which a product can be marketed at.

In Denmark we generally have very high wages and most of our production that requires workers is shipped to china. Robot production is fine because robots don't want a salary. Our main goal is to compete using knowledge instead of raw production industry.

This is a good philosphy, but much harder to implement in the US. However I think it is what we need to do. Japan turns out something like 60 engineers to every 1 one of ours.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 8:05 pm

Uffe wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Corporations get the tax money from the money they get when they sell their products. Force the corporations to pay more we will pay more as our friends in Canada and acrross the pond do.
For an example; I do not smoke so how would tobacco taxes effect me?
Make the Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes $100.00 a pack, since I do not smoke, how will this effect me?
1) A new type of black market will evolve and Criminals will start selling Black Market Cigarettes most likely smuggled in through border with Mexico and other goods coming from overseas.
2) People who buy the Black Market Cigarettes will also be criminals.
3) Federal Customs, Border Patrol, BATFE, State, County, and Local law enforcement will need more money to do their jobs and there will be more people hired in these departments as well.
4) New prisons will need to be built to house the new criminals.

Where do you think all of this money will come from?

You and Me of course, We pay all of the taxes, even on the products we do not consume ourselves.

When we have elected officials who Sensibly Grow the Economy (and not bail out crooks in the finance field as pointed out above) to obtain revenue instead of raping the economy, there is enough money to run the Government.

Steve

That's a pretty drastic experiment you're thinking about there. In reality you would raise taxes to a level where the black market won't be common to buy cigarettes from. Raise the tax just slightly and nobody wants to risk to do something illigal over a slight price increase, no black market then. That way you've got some more money in the government fund box, yay!

Uffe: This is an example of what an insane tax can do and effect those who think it will not effect them. As much as I hate taxes, I don't want to pay a toll at every street or road I go on, or (even though I own firearms) have to carry a rifle and side arm every where I go to protect myself. Do I feel that many Government services and programs are a total waste of the taxes I pay, of coarse I do.
One of the main reasons that your tax/service system works in Denmark, is your mostly homogeneous culture with a strong sense of ethics, frugality, pride and responsibility. Here in the US and some of the other countries, there are too many free loaders at all levels of the economic system. This ranges from the bums on the street who are in need of some up close and personal daily psychiatric services, some of our educators, some elected officials, and even some of our C.E.O.s of a MEGA corporations who are trying to get Corporate Welfare from the Federal Government.

Steve

Scott Langohr · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2008 9:22 am

If taxes were only spent directly on infrastructure and security of the nation in an efficient manor, who would be against them? How much of our U.S. tax money goes as aid and security of other nations along with being wasted on graft and burocatic mountains of paperwork? How much of our tax money is spent to prop up the corrupt body of the United Nations while other countries contribute little and abandon moral principles and duty in favor of political posturing? What if the US stopped sending our tax money all around the world and forced the other countries to spend their tax money on their own poverty and security? Then we can spend our money on educating our children to be high paid white collar workers and ship our dirty job labor needs to the oppressed poor workers in other countries. Americans can not bury their heads inside their own borders and watch other people suffer death, disease, disasters, and oppression of human rights and freedom while sitting back comfortably not caring. Why are we paying for a missle defence net to protect others from mad dictators that might get their hands on a nuclear missle and send it their way. We could just pay to defend ourselves and let happen what ever happens but it is not in our nature not to help when we can. Our souls would be destroyed if a nuclear missle hit free innocent people and we had not done all in our power to prevent it. So, we continue to pay ever increasing taxes and become less and less competative in the world markets while most of the world hates us, protests us, and burns our flag for doing it. I Love My CRD!

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2008 4:55 pm

Scott Langohr wrote:

If taxes were only spent directly on infrastructure and security of the nation in an efficient manor, who would be against them? How much of our U.S. tax money goes as aid and security of other nations along with being wasted on graft and burocatic mountains of paperwork? How much of our tax money is spent to prop up the corrupt body of the United Nations while other countries contribute little and abandon moral principles and duty in favor of political posturing? What if the US stopped sending our tax money all around the world and forced the other countries to spend their tax money on their own poverty and security? Then we can spend our money on educating our children to be high paid white collar workers and ship our dirty job labor needs to the oppressed poor workers in other countries. Americans can not bury their heads inside their own borders and watch other people suffer death, disease, disasters, and oppression of human rights and freedom while sitting back comfortably not caring. Why are we paying for a missle defence net to protect others from mad dictators that might get their hands on a nuclear missle and send it their way. We could just pay to defend ourselves and let happen what ever happens but it is not in our nature not to help when we can. Our souls would be destroyed if a nuclear missle hit free innocent people and we had not done all in our power to prevent it. So, we continue to pay ever increasing taxes and become less and less competative in the world markets while most of the world hates us, protests us, and burns our flag for doing it. I Love My CRD!

Where did that came from? This sounds a lot like propaganda to me, sorry to say so.

Do you really believe you went into Iraq to defend the freedom and rid them of Sadam Hussain?

It was because of the OIL not because you wanted to help them into freedom or other very fine moral standards. It was because you need a stable source of oil for your country to operate properly. Do you call the civil war in Iraq freedom?

Scott Langohr · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2008 5:00 pm

Proved my point didn't it.

Magnum · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2008 5:56 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Corporations get the tax money from the money they get when they sell their products. Force the corporations to pay more we will pay more as our friends in Canada and acrross the pond do.
For an example; I do not smoke so how would tobacco taxes effect me?
Make the Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes $100.00 a pack, since I do not smoke, how will this effect me?
1) A new type of black market will evolve and Criminals will start selling Black Market Cigarettes most likely smuggled in through border with Mexico and other goods coming from overseas.
2) People who buy the Black Market Cigarettes will also be criminals.
3) Federal Customs, Border Patrol, BATFE, State, County, and Local law enforcement will need more money to do their jobs and there will be more people hired in these departments as well.
4) New prisons will need to be built to house the new criminals.

Where do you think all of this money will come from?

You and Me of course, We pay all of the taxes, even on the products we do not consume ourselves.

When we have elected officials who Sensibly Grow the Economy (and not bail out crooks in the finance field as pointed out above) to obtain revenue instead of raping the economy, there is enough money to run the Government.

Steve

Tax cigarettes at $100 and most smokers will quit, the government's cash cow will go bankrupt and everyones tax will go up except smokers who get a net tax cut

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat May 03, 2008 8:00 pm

Uffe wrote:

Scott Langohr wrote:

If taxes were only spent directly on infrastructure and security of the nation in an efficient manor, who would be against them? How much of our U.S. tax money goes as aid and security of other nations along with being wasted on graft and burocatic mountains of paperwork? How much of our tax money is spent to prop up the corrupt body of the United Nations while other countries contribute little and abandon moral principles and duty in favor of political posturing? What if the US stopped sending our tax money all around the world and forced the other countries to spend their tax money on their own poverty and security? Then we can spend our money on educating our children to be high paid white collar workers and ship our dirty job labor needs to the oppressed poor workers in other countries. Americans can not bury their heads inside their own borders and watch other people suffer death, disease, disasters, and oppression of human rights and freedom while sitting back comfortably not caring. Why are we paying for a missle defence net to protect others from mad dictators that might get their hands on a nuclear missle and send it their way. We could just pay to defend ourselves and let happen what ever happens but it is not in our nature not to help when we can. Our souls would be destroyed if a nuclear missle hit free innocent people and we had not done all in our power to prevent it. So, we continue to pay ever increasing taxes and become less and less competative in the world markets while most of the world hates us, protests us, and burns our flag for doing it. I Love My CRD!

Where did that came from? This sounds a lot like propaganda to me, sorry to say so.

Do you really believe you went into Iraq to defend the freedom and rid them of Sadam Hussain?

It was because of the OIL not because you wanted to help them into freedom or other very fine moral standards. It was because you need a stable source of oil for your country to operate properly. Do you call the civil war in Iraq freedom?

The Progressive/Euro Continental view regarding the Battle (not War) in Iraq is for OIL will not survive the scrutiny of the Historians who will write the books when the HYPE from the News Media and SPIN from the Nevil Chamberland Kool Aid Drinker politicians fades away.
The War with Radical Islam started in 1979 when the US diplomats were taken Hostage in Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq are only two of the battles in this WAR that will last a long time after the Battles in Iraq and Afghanistan are over. To end this WAR we need to have as many Nations on Board as possible. Nations can take action (like Australia has) such as sticking to their own laws and rejecting Sharia, requiring all of the residents to speak the national language, and not tolerate the teaching of Hate under the cloak of Religion.

Scott,s views are on point of what the U.S. and other Civilized Capitalist Nations need to do to keep the "LAW OF THE JUNGLE COUNTRIES" under control. Should Iraq become another Turkey or Jordan instead of another Iran, there will be another Civilized country on board who will not put up with or subsidize Radical Islam. Should the people of Iran get their country back from the Theocratic Despots now in control, they will be on board as well.
If you want to analyze the Ultimate Propaganda, look at Political Correctness created by the Psdointellectual Marxists, it puts all other Propaganda of the past to shame as second rate.

Getting back to the point of this thread: The Extra Federal Tax on Diesel Fuel was a Government created sham to have a progressive tax on those who own Diesel Cars more to make up for their 30% -40% savings, that is what they told me when I got my $50 income tax credit.

To put it plainly: The Extra Federal Diesel Fuel Tax is, "MARXIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION", as if any of us driving CRDs are RICH :!:

Steve

Uffe · **Posted:** Sat May 03, 2008 8:33 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

The Progressive/Euro Continental view regarding the Battle (not War) in Iraq is for OIL will not survive the scrutiny of the Historians who will write the books when the HYPE from the News Media and SPIN from the Nevil Chamberland Kool Aid Drinker politicians fades away.
The War with Radical Islam started in 1979 when the US diplomats were taken Hostage in Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq are only two of the battles in this WAR that will last a long time after the Battles in Iraq and Afghanistan are over. To end this WAR we need to have as many Nations on Board as possible. Nations can take action (like Australia has) such as sticking to their own laws and rejecting Sharia, requiring all of the residents to speak the national language, and not tolerate the teaching of Hate under the cloak of Religion.

That sounds excellent - now how's that Israeli lobby going for yer? Is that any inch better than the radical muslims?

warp2diesel wrote:

Scott,s views are on point of what the U.S. and other Civilized Capitalist Nations need to do to keep the "LAW OF THE JUNGLE COUNTRIES" under control. Should Iraq become another Turkey or Jordan instead of another Iran, there will be another Civilized country on board who will not put up with or subsidize Radical Islam. Should the people of Iran get their country back from the Theocratic Despots now in control, they will be on board as well.
If you want to analyze the Ultimate Propaganda, look at Political Correctness created by the Psdointellectual Marxists, it puts all other Propaganda of the past to shame as second rate.

No sane person would argue against having a seperation of religion and state in all of the muslim countries, who seem to be trapped somewhere in the dark ages when it comes to rights and punishments. Who are these Psdointellectual Marxists btw?

warp2diesel wrote:

Getting back to the point of this thread: The Extra Federal Tax on Diesel Fuel was a Government created sham to have a progressive tax on those who own Diesel Cars more to make up for their 30% -40% savings, that is what they told me when I got my $50 income tax credit.

To put it plainly: The Extra Federal Diesel Fuel Tax is, "MARXIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION", as if any of us driving CRDs are RICH :!:

Steve

You don't know the half of what it's then like to live in a society like Denmark. I assure you if extra diesel tax is your definition of "MARXIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION" you should take a look at how Denmark redistributes the goods amongst its population.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat May 03, 2008 10:52 pm

Uffe wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

The Progressive/Euro Continental view regarding the Battle (not War) in Iraq is for OIL will not survive the scrutiny of the Historians who will write the books when the HYPE from the News Media and SPIN from the Nevil Chamberland Kool Aid Drinker politicians fades away.
The War with Radical Islam started in 1979 when the US diplomats were taken Hostage in Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq are only two of the battles in this WAR that will last a long time after the Battles in Iraq and Afghanistan are over. To end this WAR we need to have as many Nations on Board as possible. Nations can take action (like Australia has) such as sticking to their own laws and rejecting Sharia, requiring all of the residents to speak the national language, and not tolerate the teaching of Hate under the cloak of Religion.

That sounds excellent - now how's that Israeli lobby going for yer? Is that any inch better than the radical muslims?

warp2diesel wrote:

Scott,s views are on point of what the U.S. and other Civilized Capitalist Nations need to do to keep the "LAW OF THE JUNGLE COUNTRIES" under control. Should Iraq become another Turkey or Jordan instead of another Iran, there will be another Civilized country on board who will not put up with or subsidize Radical Islam. Should the people of Iran get their country back from the Theocratic Despots now in control, they will be on board as well.
If you want to analyze the Ultimate Propaganda, look at Political Correctness created by the Psdointellectual Marxists, it puts all other Propaganda of the past to shame as second rate.

No sane person would argue against having a seperation of religion and state in all of the muslim countries, who seem to be trapped somewhere in the dark ages when it comes to rights and punishments. Who are these Psdointellectual Marxists btw?

warp2diesel wrote:

Getting back to the point of this thread: The Extra Federal Tax on Diesel Fuel was a Government created sham to have a progressive tax on those who own Diesel Cars more to make up for their 30% -40% savings, that is what they told me when I got my $50 income tax credit.

To put it plainly: The Extra Federal Diesel Fuel Tax is, "MARXIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION", as if any of us driving CRDs are RICH :!:

Steve

You don't know the half of what it's then like to live in a society like Denmark. I assure you if extra diesel tax is your definition of "MARXIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION" you should take a look at how Denmark redistributes the goods amongst its population.

Taxing to provide basic Education, Infrastructure such as roads, Law Enforcement, or National Defense is a fair tax that is needed. Taxing for the purpose of Wealth Redistribution as preached in Marxism is Marxism. Wealth Redistribution is like a woman being pregnant, she can't be just a little bit pregnant. When the tax rate is analyzed, one should look at the bottom line to determine if it is better to have the Government or Private Sector to provide the needed service. Taxes for needed services is not Wealth Redistribution, hand outs to able bodied people for doing nothing is Wealth Redistribution. Needed services that do not come from the Government are paid for by those who want or need them, as I do.
People in each City, County, State, or Country need to be proactive and determine what is a needed service and weather it should come from Government, Private Sector, Non Profit Organization, or Charity. Wealth Redistribution which is going to the free loaders at all points of the economic spectrum needs to be cut off. Dragging Corrupt Government Officials, Criminal Executives, or small time free loaders who SCREW the SYSTEM out in hand cuffs on live TV makes a good news story and lets the public know the laws work. Clean up the trash in the house and you have a clean house, the same holds true for a society.

Psydointellectual Marxists are the ones who feel that Marxism is the only way to run the Worlds Economy (To them Capitalism is EVIL) and the reason that it has not worked where it has been tried is because those in charge were not as smart as the Marxists who live in the U.S and are in public office or working in a University. These Psydointellectual Marxists look down upon Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands as a lame attempt at their Eutopia. I, as should any one else find their attitude very insulting. These Psydointellectual Marxists are the biggest free loaders and have created Political Correctness to circumvent any criticism of what they do or have done. One example is how they embrace the FEELINGS of the TERRORISTS just for a short term way to attack their conservative political opponents. Should the Radical Islam Terrorists win, the Psydointellectual Marxists would be the first they would eliminate.

To put it mildly, I prefer family oriented main stream people to live their lives and peruse a rewarding life, thank God 98% of the Worlds Population are good people.

Answering the question about the Israeli lobby is a little too Black Ops for this forum, there is a lot of action behind the cloak and dagger I do not want to know about.

Steve

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