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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:15 pm 
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There is NO cell phone service in Young


OUTSTANDING!!!
This trip is looking better already!

I would prefer to head straight to the campsite friday to get set up while it's still light, then head to dinner in Young. I estimate I will be there between three and four pm friday. How far is it to the restaurant from the campsite? I'd like to cook out saturday night. I have a complete set up in my trailer- grille, stove, and small refrigerator. I can bring breakfast stuff to warm up on my grille saturday morning. (Think sausage mcgriddle kinda things- very tasty, sams club not mcdonalds)

Pulling my tent trailer would it be better to come in through Payson or Roosevelt?

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There is NO cell phone service in Young


OUTSTANDING!!!
This trip is looking better already!


Pulling my tent trailer would it be better to come in through Payson or Roosevelt?


It is really nice but it makes planning meetings a little more interesting... :?
We can just meet at the campsite then head over to the restaurant from there, it is about a 20 min drive (10 miles) on a mainly dirt road from the campsite but it is easy to navigate. Now as far as the campsite, do you have a link to the exact location you were looking at? There are about 10 different camping spots along the creek that I know of so I want to make sure we are on the same page. The one I was thinking of is if you go through Young to Forest Road 200 (Haigler Creek turn-off) then take 200 til you drive through the creek and go up a small hill, the campsite is off to the left before the cattle guard... If that makes any sense. :shock:

As far as the easiest way with the tent trailer, it depends on the size of the trailer really... The road from Roosevelt is llloooonnngggg with a few very tight turns. The road from Payson is much more traveled and quite bit wider for the most part. I have only been the Roosevelt way one time round trip and it wasn't bad, just not as easy as the Payson way.
There are a lot of washboards so everyone be VERY CAREFUL please! You are driving on the mountains edge for some of the way and the turns can be sharper than they look!! With washboards it can be a little more dangerous!!

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Okay, glad I checked this out... It looks like effective April they require a daily pass for Hailger Creek. It is $6 a day I am just going to get one for Friday and Saturday. Here is a link: http://www.kinsail.com/results.asp?p=tonto&pt=store&DisplayType=Short&GroupID=6402

I will just buy all of them so we only have to pay one shipping fee, I am going to purchase 10 of them so there are enough for everyone and if I have leftovers I am sure I will use them later in the year.

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Here are some links for directions coming from various places in AZ:
From Phoenix-http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Phoenix+az/young++az/

From Chandler- http://www.mapquest.com/maps/chandler+az/young++az/

From Tucson- (through Payson) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Tucson+az/young++az/

Once you are in Young you will take FR 200 to the campsite. It is on the left after you cross the creek. If you go over a cattle guard after crossing the creek you have gone too far and past that there are not too many place to turn around... :o

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I was planning on the Haigler Canyon Campground. Here is the information and location from the website:

FACILITIES Vault toilets
No drinking water available

LOCATION AND ACCESS
Access #1 (32 miles east of Payson): From Payson, travel east for 24 miles on State Hwy 260. Turn right on unpaved Forest Road (FR) 291 and travel 3 miles to FR 200, (unpaved); turn right. Travel on FR 200 for 5 miles to the site. This is a winding road with drops offs and not suitable for vehicles pulling trailers over 16 feet.

Access #2 (12 miles north of Young): From Young, travel 3 miles north on State Hwy. 288/Forest Road (FR) 512 to FR 200. Turn left on FR 200 and travel for 9 miles to the site.

ATTRACTIONS •This campground was constructed in 2007 and offers two day-use sites and two campground areas with fourteen overnight sites
•Fishing for rainbow trout is a popular pastime here
•The chiseled canyons offer swimming holes

FEES $6 for overnight starting in April 2008
Day-use is free

CONSIDERATIONS
•Not recommended for trailers over 20 feet
•Bear-proof your camp--especially foodstuffs
•No trash service: PACK IT IN, PACK IT OUT!!
•FR 200 and 291 are unpaved roads

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I think that is the same campground... There are quite a few along the creek. If you read the directions in my last post they sound very similar distance wise.
Vern, have you decided which way you are going to take? I am thinking that maybe we just meet in Payson if you are going that way and just go to the campsite together that way no one gets lost. M&P40 will be meeting us on Saturday around 10am in Young so you and I might be the only ones camping on Friday night. I figure we can do a little exploring Saturday morning then go meet up with him. Let me know if you have picked a route yet and we will figure something out!

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I can do Payson, whichever is easier for you sounds good to me

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I can do Payson, whichever is easier for you sounds good to me


Payson is a safe bet, I get off work at noon so I will be on the road by 12:30 or so which puts me in Payson at around 2 or 2:30 depending on traffic. Let me know what time you plan on being up there and I will be sure I am there. We can meet at the GIANT gas station it is on the right hand side of the road once you get through the main part of town on the 260.
I purchased the passes and I will bring them so whoever needs one can have one!

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I plan to leave tucson around 11 so I should be in payson around 2-3. Sounds perfect!

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I am sure there will be plently of extra seats. If you don't mind a dog in the car, I will have an extra seat.

Okay so lets start a list of people who plan on attending:
FUNNMUD +1
Pablo (maybe)
oldhockeyvb
M&P40 +1 or 2
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Neatus?



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I don't know if I can make it...if I do I can't wheel as I still have a broken CV (I got my KJ back by the way) and another problem in my diff taht I don't think I will have fixed in time. Can I bring a quad or a bike to the area? I can wheel that way;) or just camping is cool with me.

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Yeah, you can bring quads and bikes. During hunting season that is all you see most of the time! You can always hop in a Jeep too if you want, I am sure there will be some extra seats! Let me know if you want to go, and what day you plan on coming up.

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Here's some cool information too:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/recreatio ... rCreek.pdf

Hells gate and FR133 sound cool!

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I have seen the signs for Hells Gate hiking trail before, I of course can't remember exaclty where but I know I have seen them... I printed that sheet out and I'll bring it with me when I go so we can possibly find those trails!
I just checked the weather for Young and it looks like it will be high 70's to low 80's during the day and mid 40's at night. So the weather sounds like it is going to be great! Looks like there is going to be rain on Tues-Thurs so it may be a little muddy!! :P

Vern- Here is the address for the GIANT gas station:
Giant
701 East State Highway 260
Payson, Arizona, 85541
Phone: (928)474-5200
I will see you around 2:30ish!

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Well count me in! I have alot of preping to do as we just got back from Mexico over the Mom's day weekend. Had lots of fun and even found an area where I did some wheeling on the beach! Its a great feeling to have the Sea of Cortez on one side of you and unlimited sand on the other. I even pulled out a stuck Explorer from the sand. Gotta love that traction control!
I am targeting 2:30PM at the Giant Station in Payson on Friday as meetup spot. I plan to have a 17.5' travel trailer in tow. I plan to stay the whole weekend.
I have camping items such as a larger grille and RV sized fridge etc so please let me know if I can be of service / help on a group breakfast or Satudray nite dinner. That sounds like fun!

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Well count me in! I have alot of preping to do as we just got back from Mexico over the Mom's day weekend. Had lots of fun and even found an area where I did some wheeling on the beach! Its a great feeling to have the Sea of Cortez on one side of you and unlimited sand on the other. I even pulled out a stuck Explorer from the sand. Gotta love that traction control!
I am targeting 2:30PM at the Giant Station in Payson on Friday as meetup spot. I plan to have a 17.5' travel trailer in tow. I plan to stay the whole weekend.
I have camping items such as a larger grille and RV sized fridge etc so please let me know if I can be of service / help on a group breakfast or Satudray nite dinner. That sounds like fun!

Silverdiesel solo ( just like FITS ). :D


Glad to here you had a good time in Mexico also that you made it back safely!
I am also glad to hear you will be joining us! I am sure we can use the fridge and grill, I know that oldhockeyvb has one too but of course we can use them both! I will message you with my cell # tomorrow so if you have any other questions or are running late on Friday you can get a hold of me. Cant wait for this trip, it should be a great time!!

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I'm in and I am gonna wheel too...I don't think I am going to make it Friday though. If I can I will let you know...see ya Sat morning.

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I'm in and I am gonna wheel too...I don't think I am going to make it Friday though. If I can I will let you know...see ya Sat morning.


i am planning on rolling out from the east side around 7 ish if you are interested in caravaning

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I'm in and I am gonna wheel too...I don't think I am going to make it Friday though. If I can I will let you know...see ya Sat morning.


Do you know what time? M&P40 is meeting us at around 10am in Young at the Cherry Creek Store. If you caravan in with him then we will see you there! Otherwise just let me know what time you plan on being there and we will figure a location to meet out!
A couple more things; I know that oldhockeyvb and Silverdiesel are meeting me in Payson at the GIANT (address listed above) on Friday at around 2:30, anyone else?? Anyone who is coming on Saturday to meet in Young what time? Anyone who needs directions please let me know! :D
To repeat a couple of things; if you need diesel, FILL UP IN PAYSON cause you can't get it in Young!! There is NO cell phone service pretty much once you leave Payson so I really cannot tell you all how important it is that the details get worked out prior to Friday afternoon! If you have any questions what so ever either post them up here or PM me!
That being said this is going to be a great trip. Great offroading and scenary plus some hiking for whoever is up for it!

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May 5, 2008

Tonto National Forest begins fire restrictions May 8

PHOENIX ( May 5, 2008) – Drought conditions, hot temperatures and increased fire danger have resulted in fire restrictions for the Tonto National Forest beginning Thursday, May 8 at 8 a.m. The forest will prohibit most types of fire or fire-causing activities across the entire Tonto National Forest.

Building, maintaining, attending or using a fire, campfire or charcoal-burning device is prohibited. Restrictions also apply to smoking outside of a cleared area, operating internal combustion power tools, using welding equipment or torches with open flames, operating combustion engines without spark- arresting devices in effective working order, or discharging firearms except in taking game in accordance with Arizona hunting laws. Use of petroleum-fueled stoves, lanterns, and heating devices are allowed, and some developed campgrounds are also exempted from these restrictions. (Please see attached list).



“Because of ongoing drought and dry forest conditions, fire restrictions are needed to protect forest users, structures and natural resources from the increased potential for dangerous wildland fires,” said Tonto National Forest Fire Staff Officer Clay Templin. “These precautionary measures are intended to enhance our visitors’ quality recreation experiences. Most areas of the Tonto National Forest remain available for recreation activity, including all the Salt River system lakes.”

MAP OF RESTRICTED AREA
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/news/maps ... 050108.pdf

Tonto NF fire restrictions in effect, May 8, 2008





Violation of these restrictions is punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and imprisonment for up to six months.



For more information regarding forest recreation sites and fire restrictions, please contact the Tonto National Forest at (602) 225-5200, or check online at www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto.



For general information on fire activity and restrictions in Arizona call toll free 877-864-6985, or visit the.

SouthwestCoordinationCenter website: http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc or http://www.publiclands.org/firenews/AZ.php










The following developed campgrounds on Tonto National Forest allow campfires in provided campfire rings:

Cave Creek Ranger District

Bartlett Lake Recreation Area
Bartlett Lake Marina
Jojoba
Rattlesnake Cove
Rattlesnake Group
S B Cove
Bartlett Flat (below high waterline)
Yellow Cliffs
Lower Verde Recreation Area
Riverside Campground
Needle Rock Recreation Area
Needle Rock Campground
Box Bar
Seven Springs Recreation Area
CCC Campground
Seven Springs Picnic Area
Cave Creek Group Site
Horseshoe Lake Recreation Area
Horseshoe Lake Campground
Catfish Point
Ocotillo
Mesquite Campground
Tonto NF fire restrictions in effect, May 8, 2008



Globe Ranger District

Pioneer Pass , in the Pinal Mtns
Sulphide Del Ray, in the Pinal Mtns
Kellner, in the Pinal Mtns
Ice House CCC, in the Pinal Mtns
Pinal, in the Pinal Mtns
Upper Pinal, in the Pinal Mtns
Warnica Group Site in the Pinal Mtns
Jones Water, off AZ Hwy 77 north of Globe
Oak Flat, off AZ Hwy 60 east of Superior
Timber Camp


Mesa Ranger District

Saguaro Lake Recreation Area
Saguaro Lake Marina
Saguaro Del Norte
Butcher Jones
Canyon Lake Recreation Area
Canyon Lake Marina
Acacia
Boulder
Laguna
Palo Verde
Lower Salt Recreation Area
Developed recreation sites only
Payson Ranger District No sites open to fires



Pleasant Valley Ranger District No sites open to fires



Tonto Basin Ranger District

Apache Lake Recreation Areas.
Apache Lake Marina
Crabtree
Three-mile Wash
Davis Wash
Roosevelt Recreation Area
Vineyard
Frazier
Windy Hill Cholla Bachelor Cove
Grapevine
Cottonwood
Tonto NF fire restrictions in effect, May 8, 2008





For further information about restrictions throughout Arizona, please go to the following websites: Southwest Coordination Center http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc

or http://www.publiclands.org/firenews/AZ.phpor call 1-877-864-6985.







Useful Web sites:



Arizona Fire News: http://www.publiclands.org/firenews/AZ.php

New Mexico Fire News: http://www.publiclands.org/firenews/NM.php

Incident Information System (nationwide): http://inciweb.org/

National Interagency Fire Center :www.nifc.gov

National Fire Plan:www.fireplan.gov

FireWise: www.firewise.org

National Incident Information Center :www.fs.fed.us/news/fire

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YOUNG AND VICINITY
Remote and off the tourist track, Young is one of Arizona's last cow towns. To get here you must drive largely unpaved roads. Approximate travel times are one hour and 25 minutes from Payson and one hour and 45 minutes from Globe. From the north, take AZ 260 to near Milepost 284 atop the Mogollon Rim, about 33 miles east of Payson, then turn south 24 miles on Forest Road 512; the first 20 miles are dirt road. From the south near Roosevelt Lake, take AZ 188 from Roosevelt or Globe to the junction with AZ 288, then turn north 47 miles; the last 34 miles are dirt. All of these are best avoided after winter snows or heavy rains. AZ 288 has the apt designation "From the Desert to the Tall Pines National Scenic Byway."
In the late 1800s one of Arizona's bloodiest and most savage feuds took place in Pleasant Valley, between Young and the Rim. The trouble started when the Tewksbury clan gave protection to a band of sheep brought into the area in 1887. Cattle owners led by the Graham clan couldn't stand "woollies" and attacked, killing a Navajo sheepherder and destroying or driving away the animals. The Tewksburys retaliated, and the war was on. The fighting didn't end until every Graham had been killed. All efforts by the law to restore order failed; at least 30 people died during five years of terror. History buffs can visit many of the battle sites near Young. The cemetery near Young Baptist Church, a half mile east of Moon's Saloon, contains marked graves belonging to five members of the Graham clan: Harry Middleton, Al Rose, Charles Blevin, William Graham, and John Graham.
Historians still debate details of the feud. Accounts of the tragedy are given in A Little War of Our Own by Don Dedera, Arizona's Dark and Bloody Ground by Earle Forrest, and Globe, Arizona by Clara Woody and Milton Schwartz. Zane Grey dramatized the events in his novel To the Last Man. Grey obtained his material during hunting trips in Pleasant Valley.
Today, a very independent breed of people inhabits Young. These folks, many retired, don't like authority or development. Even the Forest Service—Young's largest employer—represents too much government for some of them.

Practicalities
Young's social life revolves around the Antlers Cafe on the south side of town and Alice's Cantina on the north side; both serve food.
Pleasant Valley Days lets loose with a parade, entertainment, equestrian events, and arts and crafts on the third weekend in July.
Pleasant Valley Inn (928/462-3593, $55 s, $67 d) has fireplaces, fridges, and microwaves in the rooms. Valley View Cabins (928/462-3422, $45 d) offers rentals with kitchens on the south edge of town. The post office is in the northeast part of town. Pleasant Valley Medical Center (928/462-3435) provides limited services on some days. There's also a grocery store and gas station in town.
For fishing, hiking, and camping information, contact the Tonto National Forest's Pleasant Valley Ranger District Office (P.O. Box 450, Young, AZ 85554, 928/462-4300, www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto, 7:45-11:45 a.m. and 12:30-4:30 p.m. Mon.-Fri., and Sat. in summer); a sign marks the turnoff on the south side of town.

North of Young
The unfortunate Navajo sheepherder who fell as the first victim of the Pleasant Valley War is buried north of Young. A white cross, pile of stones, and sign mark the spot; from the main road (Forest Road 512), four miles north of Young and 20 miles south of AZ 260, turn west nearly one mile on Forest Road 200.
Alderwood Campground (elev. 5,200 feet; no water or fee) is beside Haigler Creek six miles in on Forest Road 200 from Forest Road 512, then west half a mile on Forest Road 200A. Haigler Canyon Recreation Site (elev. 5,250 feet; no water or fee) has camping and fishing (trout April–Aug.); it's nine miles in on Forest Road 200 from Forest Road 512; you can also approach it from the north via AZ 260 and Forest Roads 291 and 200.
Valentine Ridge Campground (elev. 6,600 feet; no water or fee) lies 18 miles north of Young or six miles south of AZ 260 via Forest Road 512, then two miles east on Forest Road 188. Colcord Ridge Recreation Site (no water or fee) is just east on Forest Road 33 from Forest Road 512, about three miles south of AZ 260 or 21 miles north of Young. Airplane Flat Campground (elev. 6,600 feet; no water or fee) is about four miles farther in on Forest Road 33. Upper Canyon Creek Recreation Site (elev. 6,600 feet; no water or fee) and Canyon Creek Hatchery lie just below the Rim; follow Forest Road 33 in five miles. The fish hatchery features a self-guided tour, open 8 a.m.–4 p.m. daily. Anglers can fish in Canyon Creek for rainbow and brown trout; check local fishing regulations.
Colcord Lookout (elev. 7,513 feet) offers a sweeping panorama of the Young area and the Mogollon Rim; the tower is open about May to October; turn west three miles on Forest Road 291 from Forest Road 512 (opposite the Forest Road 33 turnoff).

South of Young
McFadden Peak has a road up to its lookout tower; turn west about one mile on Forest Road 561 from AZ 288 16 miles south of Young
Groups can contact the Pleasant Valley Ranger District office to reserve Reynolds Creek Group Site (elev. 5,200 feet), 19 miles south of Young, for day or overnight use. It's a good base for exploring the Salome and the Sierra Ancha Wilderness Areas and a worthwhile spot in itself for enjoying the pretty creek and wildlife; there's a fee but no potable water.
Workman Creek Waterfalls plunge 200 feet in a canyon south of Young; to get there, go south 21 miles on AZ 288, then turn left 3.2 miles on Forest Road 487 at the sign for "Workman Creek Recreation Area, Sierra Ancha Wilderness"; the turnoff is between Mileposts 284 and 285. A gate 2.6 miles in is closed Dec. 15–March 31. The last quarter mile may be too rough for cars. On the way to the falls, you'll pass primitive campsites at Creeksite, Cascade, and Falls Recreation Sites; no water or fee. This pretty canyon supports dense stands of Douglas fir and white fir, as well as smaller numbers of Arizona sycamore and the relatively rare Arizona maple.
Forest Road 487 continues 3.7 miles past the falls through pine forests, aspen groves, and meadows to the lookout tower atop Aztec Peak (7,748 feet); you can get here with a high-clearance vehicle, mountain bike, or on foot. The tower, when open, provides great panoramas of the Sierra Anchas, Roosevelt Lake, Four Peaks, the Mazatzals, and many other features of central Arizona. Abbey's Way Trail #151 also climbs to the top of Aztec Peak (800 feet in two miles one-way); the trailhead is on the left 0.6 mile past the falls. Parker Creek Trail #160 is on the right side of the road one mile past the falls; it goes southwest 3.4 miles to AZ 288, dropping 2,100 feet. The Rim Trail #139 begins a short way down Parker Creek Trail and curves east and north 7.6 miles to Edwards Spring with good views. Most of the hike lies within the Sierra Ancha Wilderness. It makes an easy outing, with only a 500-foot elevation gain. Coon Creek Trail #254 also branches off Parker Creek Trail for a 4.4-mile, 2,400-foot descent south along Coon Creek to a trailhead at the end of Forest Road 189. Moody Point Trail #140 begins on the right 2.2 miles past the falls on Forest Road 487; it connects with the Rim Trail and continues east all the way across the Sierra Ancha Wilderness to Cherry Creek (which may be too high to cross when it's in flood) and Forest Road 203; this challenging trail is 8.6 miles long and drops 4,200 feet. You can find many places for dispersed camping along Forest Road 487 above the falls, but only the established recreation areas can be used below the falls. Hikers can cool off in the "tubs," natural pools in Workman Creek; from the Workman Creek bridge on AZ 288, follow the trail downstream 250 yards.
Rose Creek Campground (elev. 5,400 feet) enjoys a beautiful forest setting beside a creek 23 miles south of Young; no drinking water or fee. The turnoff from AZ 288 is between Mileposts 282 and 283.

Wilderness Areas
The 20,850-acre Sierra Ancha Wilderness lies 15 miles south of Young and 36 miles north of Globe. Lack of good roads and rugged terrain discourage most visitors—box canyons and sheer cliffs make travel difficult. Elevations range from 3,200 to 7,800 feet. Spring-fed creeks in the eastern portion of the wilderness have carved several short but deep box canyons, including Pueblo, Cold Springs, and Devil's Chasm. Prehistoric Salado built cliff dwellings in these canyons, then departed. Forest Road 203 (Cherry Creek Road) loops around the east side of the Sierra Anchas, providing views into the spectacular canyons. You need a 4WD vehicle for this trip; the northern part of the road is particularly rough. Allow 3.5 hours for the drive.
Forest Road 487, described above, and other roads off AZ 288 provide access to trailheads in the high country of the west side. For hiking information and a wilderness map, contact the Forest Service in Young, 928/462-4300, or in Phoenix, 602/225-5200.
Salome Wilderness, between Young and Roosevelt Lake, protects 18,530 acres of the Salome and lower Workman Creek watersheds. Perennial waters hold trout and provide a rich riparian habitat for wildlife. The upper end and the higher slopes (elev. 6,543 feet) support pinyon pine and juniper and some Douglas fir and ponderosa pine; the 5.3-mile Hell's Hole Trail #284 begins at AZ 288 at the Reynold's Trailhead, 19 miles south of Young, and ends at Hell's Hole on Workman Creek in the upper part of the canyon. The lower end of the wilderness (elev. 2,500 feet) has some saguaro, ocotillo, and chaparral; the two-mile-long Jug Trail #61 connects Forest Road 60, north of Roosevelt Lake, with the lower end of Salome Creek.
Hellsgate Wilderness, between Young and Payson, preserves 36,780 acres of the watersheds of Tonto, Haigler, Marsh, and Houston Creeks. Sheer cliffs rising above the confluence of Tonto and Haigler Creeks form Hell's Gate; there's good fishing here but only the most adventurous anglers make it in on the steep, difficult Hellsgate Trail #37, which descends into Hell's Gate from both rims. The north trailhead is reached from Payson via AZ 260 and Forest Roads 405A and 893, then it's a six-mile hike to the creeks. Hikers with 4WD vehicles can drive to the south trailhead via Forest Roads 129 and 133; from there it's a 2.5-mile hike in. The trail can get very hot in summer; carry plenty of water.

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