disconnecting the front swaybar

vxla · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:26 am

Everyone: please dont do what speedyj recommends. You'll kill yourself.

Moderators: can we just kill this thread? Nothing positive is coming of it and people may get ideas that cause harm to them. I don't like censorship, but...

kevh · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:21 pm

please do not kill the thread. being new to the board i am just realizing this has been a long debated issue. sorry if i inadvertantly dredged up an old issue

if i disconnet it will not be by altering the swaybar. i may try to make it easier to remove for wheeling, but it wont be altered. having disco'ed a few different vehicles in the past, i understand the issues.

if the thread does get deleted (but preferrably before) could someone please just tell me how much added droop they achieved. if we are only talking an inch, then it really isnt even worth it but a few inches makes it a viable choice

thx

skrracing · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:53 pm

It really does not give it that much more droop BUT...What is does is let the front wheels run independent. It justs let the front end flex like any other front in when disco'ed. Hope this helps. later...clint

lilmatty · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:28 pm

I say leave this thread in. That way when the subject comes up again, and it will, we'll have something to refer them to.

CaKJFreedom · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:48 pm

If we leave it, we should post a disclaimer is gigantic print on the first post. A lot of people won't read all of them. And possible lock the thread as well.

jpzkj · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:43 pm

Maybe we should just lock the posters ! :lol:

SethX9 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:44 pm

Censorship is Bull$hit...period. The only real and effective way to dissuade someone from (in this case) disconnecting their swaybar is to have all the pros and cons on the table. It's as simple as this: Shutting off the (alleged) bad advice will shut off the (supposed) good advice as well.

No good will come from pretending this subject doesn't exist. If anyone really cares about someone with limited knowledge getting hurt (or worse) they would be adding to the IGNORANCE by wiping out this thread.

So enough with the "if you don't know why it's dangerous that's reason enough that you shouldn't do it". That is cr@p. I say put up the information as to WHY it is dangerous so that anyone considering it will have it spelled out.

To all those calling for lockouts and thread deletion: Quit powertrippin'.

CENSORSHIP FUELS IGNORANCE!

jpzkj · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:32 am

So Seth...did you just come to this thread to tell us how to act or do you have anything else to add to the disconnect thread ?

I think it's been covered in detail why it's not a good idea to disco an IFS vehicle and drive it on the street at speed. What else is there ?

uvalax236 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:46 am

Easy there boys! This isnt JU. As I was once told by a "Young" Guy "were one big, happy, family here". Lets keep the bashing/flaming way down and be civilized.

Back on topic now: I have been pondering this idea as well, but did not realize that it was such a big deal (the front swaybar that is). I can understand now that it gives massive indipendant movement but how would this be different from the swaybar removed on a solid front?

vxla · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:51 am

Seth: We understand you're ignorant, but we'll live with it. What you should learn to understand is that several of us have received many, many private messages either (a) persistently asking how we did our disco after saying we would not share information on it, or (b) asking us why we won't share our ideas. I've made it clear in my messages that I will not share any more information, yet people continue to pester me.

It's unfortunate any of us even mentioned our disco; most people won't even know the difference when being connected and going wheelin. While I don't believe in censoring threads, there has to be a tradeoff on what is safe for newcomers to do when they're going through these threads six months down the road.

LOST TJ · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:44 am

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Seth: We understand you're ignorant, but we'll live with it.

That was uncalled for. He has a point. If you delete the thread then everytime a newbie hears about being Disco'd then this thread will be started up again and
we will have to go through this again. Which in turn will proabaly leave the person ignorant to the fact it is dangerous and might kill them. That is where the censorship will lead tp ignorance. Hopefully you can understand that. I do agree the post should be locked not deleted. This way everytime somebody searches discoing then this post will show up and they will see " IT MIGHT KILL YOU!!! "
Cya

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:01 am

LOST TJ wrote:

Quote:

Seth: We understand you're ignorant, but we'll live with it.

That was uncalled for.

X2,

SethX9 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:58 am

jpzkj - My comments were on topic. I don't have anything to add to the pros or cons of disconnecting a swaybar but I have plenty to say with regards to ignorance and the fostering of it and that is where the conversation headed so that is where I jumped in. Do you have anything logical to say that counters my claim that ignorance, and therefore the likelihood of someone being hurt, would be increased by deleting this thread? Or did you just feel a need to take a swipe at someone? The disconnect topic may have been covered in previous threads on the old board but as far as I can see they're nowhere to be found on this board outside of this thread.

vxla - I cop to my ignorance. Everyone is ignorant about something. We can't learn if we think we already have all the facts. Like the fact that a lot of this discussion seems to have taken place in offline emails and PMs. I don't believe anyone needs to include plans as to 'how-to' the disco in order to spell out, in detail, on the public record why DOING the disco on a Liberty is a potentially deadly mod. I say get the facts out and set disclaimers.

LOST TJ & JJsKJ - thanks.

Unless anyone has any logical differences of opinion to debate I'm done with this.

The Staff · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:15 pm

The moderators have the control to do what they feel best here. It's up to them to keep post on track, the bashing and name calling out of it, and in all...try to keep things on a positive note.

It might be good to keep this post open but maybe get rid of some of the post that have no value with this thread.

lilmatty · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:22 pm

Get rid of the poo poo and keep the disco info.

lilmatty · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:48 pm

Here's an interesting technical question about the Clint/Wally and vxla's approach, which are similar in that they cut the swaybar.

What keeps the two swaybar pieces from separating while disco'ed?

skrracing · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:12 pm

I dont understand why this keeps going on but just to answer your question Matt. We spent a lot of time on CAD and a modeling machine to get the one we did right even before we tested it for months (years now) We called out the right material, the right pin, and all the parts. We also built a retainer into it so even when it is disconnected it is still coupled together and can not come apart. Enough said on it so really no need to bring that old one up anymore.

To even answer your question to the point...The only thiong about the 2 set-ups...is you cut the sway bar...That is the only thing.

The new one that a few guys might be doing...Run it if you like. All I am saying is that the front sway bar on the KJ helps hold the camber...When the grade 8 bolts shear on the one you might be using...The camber will go wack.

If this happens in a turn at freeway spped you are going to be in deep doo doo. Believe me. We ran the numbers and even tried the grade 8 bolts... IT DID NOT WORK.

The guys that are running something like this...Just be sure that you understand if the bolts fail in a turn you are going to have a real problem... The camber changing in a turn at freeway speed is not something to take likely. Some one is going to be very upset when they roll their Jeep because of an untested, unproven design and then they will be looking for someone to blame it on for dang sure. Later...Clint

jpzkj · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:56 pm

Seth

Quote:

I think it's been covered in detail why it's not a good idea to disco an IFS vehicle and drive it on the street at speed. What else is there ?

I think that says it all buddy....

And yeah I took a swipe at you ...you deserved it. This thread has been "flogged" for months and now you show up and want to lecture on censorship..? If you didn't know how much this topic has been discussed, you should have asked and appeared thoughtful in you approach..however you dove in without any reserve I pounced on you, seems fair to me.

and I mean that in the nicest way...believe me I do

this thread is almost as bad as the maglight mount thread !

lilmatty · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:00 pm

'nuff poo poo.

Peace on this thread.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:27 pm

wow, what a thread, i just hope that everyone has gotten something out of this thread and will not get killed b/c of it.

Everyone needs to understand that playing with a swaybar is like playing with a gun, so dont be stupid, be safe everyone!!

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