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Guest · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:59 pm

That's about what I figured.

that extra $31k can buy you a Hemi Challenger if you REALLY REALLY must have a Hemi.

Inc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:05 pm

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'd take one, but paying that much more on top of the cost of a new jeep already is a terrible idea I think. IMO AEV does the best custom 4x4 work out there, but they charge a small fortune. If I had the money I would still pay for a BRUTE in a second though. Wouldn't think twice.

Fulltimer · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:24 pm

Wouldn't it be nice to have more money than brains. Just once! :lol:

Terry

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:30 pm

It's only like $48,000 for the Viper V-10 swap,though upgraded axles(D60's) and driveshafts are highly recommended and Burnsville Offroad.

Inc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:33 pm

only 48,000. :lol:

You know what I could do to a beat up old TJ with $48,000!

CrossBones · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:38 pm

Speaking of TJ's, of the few owner's I've met, they all claim Jeep's swap to a V-6 in the JK was a mistake. And although I am not seriously considering an engine swap, I think if my 3.7 ever blows up, a Jeep inline 6 would be a good alternative.

Inc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:40 pm

It isn't that the V6 is a bad engine, it is just the I6 was near perfect. Why mess with perfection?

tjkoen01 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:53 pm

incubusmike wrote:

It isn't that the V6 is a bad engine, it is just the I6 was near perfect. Why mess with perfection?

talk to the epa and the tree huggers...they would beg to differ :roll:

Inc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:56 pm

I have never tried looking at it from that perspective... never will.

Guest · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:05 pm

incubusmike wrote:

It isn't that the V6 is a bad engine, it is just the I6 was near perfect. Why mess with perfection?

The ol' reliable leak-tastic 4.0 got the same fuel economy in a lighter, taller geared vehicle as the KJ gets with a 3.7 V6 and they both perform about the same on pavement. the 4.0 has a little more seat-o-the-pants off-idle torque...but that may be due to vehicle weight.

IMO the 4.0 sucks, and I'm glad it's gone. My only gripe with Jeeps with the 3.8 minivan motor is it didn't happen in '02 with the KJ.

incubusmike wrote:

only 48,000. :lol:

You know what I could do to a beat up old TJ with $48,000!

Yep! Put a Viper V10 in it!

Inc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:09 pm

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

Yep! Put a Viper V10 in it!

That'd be last on my list. :wink:

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

Too bad they don't have the 4.0 V6 based off the 3.5 like the Nitro R/T available for the Liberty. 260 HP and 265 lb-ft torque wouldn't be too bad from a stock V6. Isn't that the one that rumors were floating around about being a V6 Hemi before it came out?

tjkoen01 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:32 pm

KY Liberty wrote:

Too bad they don't have the 4.0 V6 based off the 3.5 like the Nitro R/T available for the Liberty. 260 HP and 265 lb-ft torque wouldn't be too bad from a stock V6. Isn't that the one that rumors were floating around about being a V6 Hemi before it came out?

i've driven a charger with the 3.5L....it's a pretty impressive engine, able to get rubber on a straight line take off with the autostick.....i can only image what the 4.0L v-6 would be like.

CrossBones · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:19 pm

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

incubusmike wrote:

It isn't that the V6 is a bad engine, it is just the I6 was near perfect. Why mess with perfection?

The ol' reliable leak-tastic 4.0 got the same fuel economy in a lighter, taller geared vehicle as the KJ gets with a 3.7 V6 and they both perform about the same on pavement. the 4.0 has a little more seat-o-the-pants off-idle torque...but that may be due to vehicle weight.

IMO the 4.0 sucks, and I'm glad it's gone. My only gripe with Jeeps with the 3.8 minivan motor is it didn't happen in '02 with the KJ.

Yep! Put a Viper V10 in it!

Yeah but the 3.7 isn't bullet-proof as the inline 6 was.

Oh and as for a big motor, I'd prefer the LS7 in the ZR1 Corvette. With v10, the only thing you would remember would be my taillights.

Guest · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:30 pm

CrossBones wrote:

Yeah but the 3.7 isn't bullet-proof as the inline 6 was.

Proof?

My 3.7 doesn't burn oil to any notable degree, nor does it leak. 115k miles.

CrossBones · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:42 pm

Bullet proof = Cast block / head.

Guest · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:00 pm

the block and heads of the KJ's 3.7 are cast too;)

Now if you want to talk about the inherent strengths of inline architecture vs V architecture with the same cylinder count, I won't argue with you...but between the 4.0 and 3.7...we're essentially comparing a smogger 350 vs an LS1...there is no contest IMO. You couldn't pay me enough money to downgrade to a 258 or 4.0 in my KJ, and the only other thing I'd want in it is a cammed 4.7. I wouldn't worry about blowing up the front diff anyway because I don't even use all my 3.7's torque off road :lol:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:41 pm

CrossBones wrote:

Bullet proof = Cast block / head.

The bottom end of the 3.7 is about bullet proof with the one piece cradle style main bearing caps.

Oh and bullet proof has nothing to do with what the materials are.Some of the most abused engines in the world are made out of aluminum,that would include the block,heads,and connecting rods.

Ford ran a plastic engine,all parts plastic besides the cylinder sleaves and piston rings,for over 1000hours on a dyno with 200 of them at full throttle with no problems.Just a bit pricey for production.

BeepBeepJeepJeep · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:17 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

CrossBones wrote:

Bullet proof = Cast block / head.

The bottom end of the 3.7 is about bullet proof with the one piece cradle style main bearing caps.

Oh and bullet proof has nothing to do with what the materials are.Some of the most abused engines in the world are made out of aluminum,that would include the block,heads,and connecting rods.

Ford ran a plastic engine,all parts plastic besides the cylinder sleaves and piston rings,for over 1000hours on a dyno with 200 of them at full throttle with no problems.Just a bit pricey for production.

Do you have more info on that? How much did it weigh?

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:09 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_engine

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