Dana 30 Elocker

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

Thanks for jumping in here Seth. Talk to me about an ARB in the front with a hidden compressor and I'll probably get that instead. I'd rather get an ARB if I don't have to deal with bottles or compressors taking up cargo space. This is on the list for the next round of upgrades. which aren't until next summer, but I'm definitely doing it. I'm just rebuilding the rear and I'm done till summer. The new brakes front and rear, new condensor, Line-x, lights, alternator, stereo, and rear end rebuild are enough money for right now with ski season coming.

renegadekj · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:10 pm

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Is there anything that says it doesn't?

To say "it doesn't fit" because it doesn't say it DOES fit is a little ridiculous. There are things that say they DO fit the D30A and they don't fit. This would lead me to believe otherwise.

Last I checked, the ARB locker for the D30 didn't specifically state "WILL FIT DANA 30A IN '02-7 KJS". Must mean it doesn't fit, right?

ThunderbirdJunkie
Maybe you should "check again"!! As far as I can see on ARB 's web site the ARB is listed to fit 02-07 KJ's with a Dana 30 IFS. Now maybe I should have not said "IT WON"T FIT" because you can make anything work if you want to spend enough time,money and mods. NOT trying to start a "pissing match"but 99% of the time when it says it fits in a diff it usually fits in that diff only.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:54 pm

KY Liberty
I have an ARB in the front of my TJ
I have the mini compressor UNDER the driver seat inside the Jeep mounted to the floor
yes you know it is on when it runs but mine only runs when I turn it on and when I lock the locker
other than that it is quiet and it only runs for about 10-15 seconds per switch and I want to say about 30 seconds at first
now I may be wrong but as I under stand it when you unlock the locker the smell of gear oil comes out of the vent line
so I ran a small piece of hose from the vent to out under the Jeep

I am very happy with it but I also wheel my Jeep very hard
I do not plan to put one in the front of my KJ
I am going to go with a TT up font ,100% reliable 100% of the time for ever not that the ARB has failed a bunch
only once and when I needed it
now if you have ESP I would put TT front and rear
this would be like having automatic selectable lockers
The ESP will apply breaks to the spinning wheel this will cause the TT to put a bunch of traction to the traction wheel
no wheel spin ,open diff, wheel spin and you get a locker ,almost

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:15 pm

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

You will just have very heavy steering while using full time when on dry surfaces,may/may not damage the front diff/CV's/driveshaft but will damage your front tires(wear funny) if done often.

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

tjkj2002 wrote:

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

You will just have very heavy steering while using full time when on dry surfaces,may/may not damage the front diff/CV's/driveshaft but will damage your front tires(wear funny) if done often.

That doesn't sound like what I want. Looking more like the ARB and hiding a compressor someplace.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:51 pm

KY Liberty wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

You will just have very heavy steering while using full time when on dry surfaces,may/may not damage the front diff/CV's/driveshaft but will damage your front tires(wear funny) if done often.

That doesn't sound like what I want. Looking more like the ARB and hiding a compressor someplace.

This where I put my compressor,bolted it to the heatshield for my AFE CAI.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:19 pm

renegadekj wrote:

ThunderbirdJunkie
Maybe you should "check again"!!

PERHAPS I SHALL!

But, nah. I'd rather not go through the PITA of R&Ring the front diff anyway, so I'll just leave it as-is, so I care not to check:)

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:42 am

KY Liberty wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

You will just have very heavy steering while using full time when on dry surfaces,may/may not damage the front diff/CV's/driveshaft but will damage your front tires(wear funny) if done often.

That doesn't sound like what I want. Looking more like the ARB and hiding a compressor someplace.

This is exactly why I’m going with the ARB in the front and rear. The ARB will work flawlessly in fulltime 4 wheel drive and you know it will work flawlessly with ESP. I have called ARB on these issues (including my PM's to ARBseth) and they all have confirmed there has been no complaints or concerns running the ARB air locker in the front or rear diffs on the KJ. In addition, ARB has literally hundreds of KJ's to prove ARB works world-wide. You get what you pay for..................

jason thompson · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:50 am

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

yes you can with no issue
the front diff will not get power unless the front drive shaft turns slower than the rear
in order for the front shaft to turn slower than the rear the rear tires BOTH need to be spinning
if the rear is spinning then you want front traction and as soon as the 2 DS get to the same speed the front will no longer get power making the TT or any locker/LSD a non issue

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

jason thompson wrote:

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

yes you can with no issue
the front diff will not get power unless the front drive shaft turns slower than the rear
in order for the front shaft to turn slower than the rear the rear tires BOTH need to be spinning
if the rear is spinning then you want front traction and as soon as the 2 DS get to the same speed the front will no longer get power making the TT or any locker/LSD a non issue

What about the heavy steering issue?

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:36 am

KY Liberty wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

KY Liberty wrote:

Can you run a TT upfront and use FT4WD? I thought there were issues with that.

yes you can with no issue
the front diff will not get power unless the front drive shaft turns slower than the rear
in order for the front shaft to turn slower than the rear the rear tires BOTH need to be spinning
if the rear is spinning then you want front traction and as soon as the 2 DS get to the same speed the front will no longer get power making the TT or any locker/LSD a non issue

What about the heavy steering issue?

If your in 2wd you will have no problem, on hard surfaces in fulltime you will have heavy steering and can damage stuff and will destroy your tires if done often.

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

I tend to use the FT4WD fairly often in the winter. Sounds like the ARB is the way to go. Just need to find a diff collar and get the JE Reel CV's to go with it.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:43 am

If there is snow and / or ice on the roads should not be a problem, only if its "dry" road condidtions and you would never be using it then anyways, would you? .

bugnout · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:50 am

That's why I went with the ARB. I use FT pretty much from Nov - March. I rarely shift out of FT. I didn't want to have to worry if conditions change and all of the sudden I'm on dry pavement. I'd rather just leave it in FT knowing that in another 20 miles I'll hit snow/ice again. Haven't heard from anyone that has a TT that also ran FT4WD on a regular basis.

Anyone?

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

With the Silent Armors and the factory LSD I only use FT4WD when it's pretty slick outside. If it's not icey or snow covering the roads I just use 2WD. I also use 2WD in the rain unless it's a huge downpour. I don't ever use the FT4WD on dry roads.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:57 pm

I can only remember 4 or 5 times in 4 years that I have been on roads slick enough that I thought I had to lock it in. I hear of people using it even when its raining which I have never seen the need for

tulsa · **Posted:** Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:48 pm

If anyone has any actual knowledge about the ELocker I would like to hear from you.
Lewis

darren/wayne · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

I'd pass on the E-locker,when unlocked it is a clutch based LSD which will wear out and need to be rebuilt at about 30,000 miles if not sooner.You will need to run friction modifier in the front gear oil and will cost just as much to install as the ARB air locker since a hole will need to be drilled through the housing.Plus not to many here in CO that have them think to highly of them.They are basically the cloned version of the Detroit E-locker,just stick with the DTT or ARB and you'll be much happier in the long run.

I mean no disrespect.
I have one of these in the D30 of my 05 TJ. I love it. Mine acts as an "open" diff when unlocked. The Auburn Gear E-Locker is a LSD when not locked. The info that came with my Eaton E-Locker, does not mention clutches/friction plates and say's "The axle lubricant recommended by the vehicle manufacturer should be used ... " It does not mention using any friction modifiers. I'm actually considering putting one in our 06 KJ.

??
Troy, were you referring to the Auburn Gear E-locker?
Thanks for the info.
Wayne

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