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dirtmover · **Posted:** Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:22 pm

So whatcha goin' to do about warranty when Chrysler goes belly up?

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

vtdog wrote:

It is interesting that the GC CRD seems to be finally selling when the price is cut 10-15k, bringing it down to around $ 30 grand or so. If Jeep had not been so greedy in the first place they would have sold a ton of the GCs at the lower price instead of having them sit on lots until the tires had flat spots. Replacing a 25k vehicle (the liberty crd) with a 45k vehicle was an example of beyond stupid marketing and is a particularly good example of "Big 3" thinking.

Particularly when you can get a Mercedes SUV with the same engine for a nearly identical price.

danoid · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:29 pm

moto-scoot wrote:

NO Fair!!

why cant you buy in Pa?
we service sprinters with the same motor here.

PS... make sure you use the LATEST mobil 1 with low ash or you wiil be getting a new egr

I've been using Delvac 1 5W45 in the KJ and planning on using it for the WK also.

danoid · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:30 pm

dirtmover wrote:

So whatcha goin' to do about warranty when Chrysler goes belly up?

Look for a new job. My warranty will be a little problem then.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Unfortunately, today a news channel claimed that Chrysler has retained a firm named Day Jones, to lead them through bankruptcy, should it become necessary.

This is on the news wires:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsN ... 205?rpc=44

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:06 pm

Does bankruptcy let a manufacturer out of their warranties?

danoid · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:17 pm

Goglio704 wrote:

Does bankruptcy let a manufacturer out of their warranties?

Not if they ever plan on coming out of bankruptcy. Chrysler can only upset so many customers. After that they won't come back to buy another car.

OOps. Did that already, that's the problem.

moto-scoot · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:37 pm

danoid wrote:

moto-scoot wrote:

NO Fair!!

why cant you buy in Pa?
we service sprinters with the same motor here.

PS... make sure you use the LATEST mobil 1 with low ash or you wiil be getting a new egr

I've been using Delvac 1 5W45 in the KJ and planning on using it for the WK also.

the [3] 09 sprinters that had mobil one 0-40 put in them all needed replacment egrs
this is the oil that "they" claim will prevent it

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_ESP_Formula_M_5W-40.asp

danoid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:29 am

Thanks for the tip. It's not cheap though. It takes 10 :shock:

quarts and a case of six runs $41 + shipping.

The stuff I was planning on using, while 'ESP' specifially doesn't meet the Mercedes Benz MB 229.31 or 229.51 quoted in the owners manual.

danoid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:35 am

vtdog wrote:

It is interesting that the GC CRD seems to be finally selling when the price is cut 10-15k, bringing it down to around $ 30 grand or so. If Jeep had not been so greedy in the first place they would have sold a ton of the GCs at the lower price instead of having them sit on lots until the tires had flat spots. Replacing a 25k vehicle (the liberty crd) with a 45k vehicle was an example of beyond stupid marketing and is a particularly good example of "Big 3" thinking.

I agree 110%. At a DaimlerChrysler Hybrid Development Center Town Hall last year, both the German and American employees were grilling a Chrysler executive about NAFTA diesels (I didn't start it - honest). But I did ask him why I couldn't buy my KJ any more and he replied that I could get a Grand, next question...

I popped back up and shot back that a $30k truck is a whole different ball game than a $40k truck. He looked at me like I was a martian.

Ah, if only I were in charge...

clackclack · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:24 am

I took a look at the grand cherokee crd and the R 320 cdi... There are R 320's that can be had in the lower half of the $30's range, it's not a Jeep but the vehicle I drove was returning 28mpg in mixed driving. Not sure I would drive the newer MB V-6 bluetec much past the warranty, that first hick-up after the warranty can be $$$ :shock:

... but, if you buy a new vehicle every 4-5 years the MB impressed the heck out of me for the cost. The first time I've ever seen my wife get happy about the prospect of buying a car... :roll:

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:26 pm

vtdog wrote:

It is interesting that the GC CRD seems to be finally selling when the price is cut 10-15k, bringing it down to around $ 30 grand or so. If Jeep had not been so greedy in the first place they would have sold a ton of the GCs at the lower price instead of having them sit on lots until the tires had flat spots. Replacing a 25k vehicle (the liberty crd) with a 45k vehicle was an example of beyond stupid marketing and is a particularly good example of "Big 3" thinking.

You can lay a good part of the blame on Daimler as well, and the cost-cutting corporate kool-aid drinkers they installed at Chrysler over the last few years, after running off the old hands that brought the company back from the brink under Iacocca and made it successful in the 80's and 90's.

Believe me, I've seen them do the same thing to Freightliner over the past 11 years - trying to cut costs by substituting cheap-a$$ parts whereever possible, relenting only when the major trucking firms raised hell and threatened legal action under warranty or to buy their trucks from PACCAR. In this situation, where they only had a dozen or so major customers keeping them in business, they had no choice but to listen.

Add to that the Daimler attitude that the US companies they own aren't really part of the company, but just hired help to funnel money to Daimler and MB to keep them afloat. The German CEO we had at Freightliner for a couple years was once asked at a town hall meeting why they didn't use Chrysler and Dodge products for company cars, instead of more expensive MB's, if saving money was the idea. His response was "it's important to be seen driving your company's car, and MB is our company's car".

In other words, Chrysler (and Freightliner) were not part of the "company", at least as far as the gents in Germany were concerned.

danoid · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:04 pm

Yeah, I know that guy, he spent some time in Auburn Hills too. Now he's back home in Stuttgart. Hope he rots.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:05 pm

Germans are great at coming up with new ideas, but they aren't that good at getting them them to work or sell.
Past examples: MG-34 German design, Pigeon dumps crap on it, a jam. M-60 American patterned after the MG-34, great work hourse.
Germans wrote up a lot of theories on aerodynamics and breaking the sound barrier, Chuck Yeager's commanding officer threw the German books into the trash and shook Chuck's hand after he set the record.

Manufacturing Gurus have told me that Daimler bough Chrysler when Mercedes sales were soft to learn the tricks on how to produce a cost effective product, they learned the tricks and dumped Chrysler.

I suspect they bought Freightliner for the same reason.

The only reason the German's produce quality automotive engines is they had to develop them to survive. High fuel taxes, taxes on engine displacement, and the Autobahn have forced the German manufactures to produce what they have today.
For years, we had open space, wide roads, and cheap fuel, environmental regulations, and Labor Union Bosses who got what they want, and we have products that are the results. Now things have changed and the big 3 are begging.

Uffe · **Posted:** Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:10 am

warp2diesel wrote:

Germans are great at coming up with new ideas, but they aren't that good at getting them them to work or sell.
Past examples: MG-34 German design, Pigeon dumps crap on it, a jam. M-60 American patterned after the MG-34, great work hourse.

The M60 was good? I heard the american weapon used in Vietnam and other places were pretty poor and jammed much of the time. Was that an M60? I can't remember off the top of my head ...

Btw - I generally think German built stuff is pretty well done. At least the TDI I'm driving seems to be bullet-proof with regards to engine and gearbox. I'll let you know when it breaks

danoid · **Posted:** Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:11 am

Back to the Grand...

I don't want to replace that battery. It's Ginormous!

And interstingly enough, the air filter is the same as the KJ CRD. Good news for me, I only have to stock one filter in my garage, just 2-3 times more of them.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:41 am

Uffe wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Germans are great at coming up with new ideas, but they aren't that good at getting them them to work or sell.
Past examples: MG-34 German design, Pigeon dumps crap on it, a jam. M-60 American patterned after the MG-34, great work hourse.

The M60 was good? I heard the american weapon used in Vietnam and other places were pretty poor and jammed much of the time. Was that an M60? I can't remember off the top of my head ...

Btw - I generally think German built stuff is pretty well done. At least the TDI I'm driving seems to be bullet-proof with regards to engine and gearbox. I'll let you know when it breaks

Early M16s jammed before the fix, but not as bad as the German Lugar, a work of art to be collected and locked up.

TDI are good, but I must blame the tree huggers in government for the EGR that fills up the intake with crud, I need to pull my wife's manifold and clean it out as does my son with his 530d (M-39).

Does the EGR on the GC clog the intake up with crud :?:

Maybe Pee injection (Urea) is not as bad as I thought if it gets rid of EGR.

danoid · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:03 am

This has only been hinted at, not verified...

The Grand Cherokee diesels currently on the lot at dealerships MUST be sold by the end of December due to emissions regs.

If you're looking at one, the dealer will be getting increasingly motivated to move the iron. I know my WK was $200 less than what I paid for my KJ CRD.

**** EDIT ****

The above is not true. Legality of sale (I found out earlier today) is based on the date of manufacture, not in service date. So the dealers are still motivated to move the metal by the end of the year, but GC 3.0L diesels will still be for sale in January (just no longer built).

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

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Does the EGR on the GC clog the intake up with crud Question Question Question Maybe Pee injection (Urea) is not as bad as I thought if it gets rid of EGR.
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On another forum (jeepforum) there is a CRD section on the WK. A tech in England, Merlintech, posted some pictures of the V6 intake he was working on with about 70K on it, with lots of sooty oily contamination, with an added twist. The MB engine has a motorized swirl flap door in the intake to adjust runner length at different engine speeds, which burns out prematurely due to oil leaking from the turbo down into the V of the engine. He has pictures posted of one he was cleaning out. There are several reports of failed egr's, though not as many as our CRD's, and other niggling issues such as failed crankshaft position sensors causing the engine to die without warning. The issue affected many 07's and some early 08's. While there was a recall for the MB's using that same engine, there didn't appear to be one for the GC due to the small numbers of CRD WK's in production. There were also reports of engine stumbling and hesitation when the egr was in the early stages of death. A very familiar story to many early Liberty CRD owners.

Several of them are installing Provents to keep the oil out of the intake in order to keep the intake clean and protect the swirl motor.

vtdog · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:27 am **Posts:** 640

Local dealer here had ad over the weekend for GC CRD at 24,900

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