Treadwright Retreads Review - Updated Post #1 - 3-18-09

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:06 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Diggerfreek wrote:

all true..... but they suck stupid in the snow

I’m scared to drive my truck on snow with the LTX‘s……………way too much torque for very little traction. :shock:

YEAH

.... but there is a cure! BFG TAKO's.... a lot less slippage... add a few cinder blocks and no slippage :twisted:

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:28 pm

ATXKJ wrote:

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

Sorry dude

But what you are telling me is...

"Why would you pay $30,000 for a used Corvette, when you can have a new V6 Mustang for $25,000"

That is exactly what you are saying.

Think about it.

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:37 pm

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

ATXKJ wrote:

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

Sorry dude

But what you are telling me is...

"Why would you pay $30,000 for a used Corvette, when you can have a new V6 Mustang for $25,000"

That is exactly what you are saying.

Think about it.

lets see, the vette is a v8, has better resale value, oh and the biggest, IT'S NOT A FORD!!!! :twisted:

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:43 pm

Diggerfreek wrote:

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

ATXKJ wrote:

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

Sorry dude

But what you are telling me is...

"Why would you pay $30,000 for a used Corvette, when you can have a new V6 Mustang for $25,000"

That is exactly what you are saying.

Think about it.

lets see, the vette is a v8, has better resale value, oh and the biggest, IT'S NOT A FORD!!!! :twisted:

I was thinking the same thing......................... :shock:

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:25 pm

LOL

you guys get the point, either way...

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:21 am

ATXKJ wrote:

but I also know that non-destructive testing has limits - and if you manufacture the entire tire - you can destructively test a sample and have statistical confidence of the quality of the entire batch

Anybody remember Firestone Wilderness ATs?

tommudd · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:30 am

ihatemybike wrote:

ATXKJ wrote:

but I also know that non-destructive testing has limits - and if you manufacture the entire tire - you can destructively test a sample and have statistical confidence of the quality of the entire batch

Anybody remember Firestone Wilderness ATs?

I saw a truck with those on the other day :roll:

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:17 am

Okay
what happens if you take the Wilderness AT and put a retread on it? - are you improving the quality?

as to Corvette & Mustangs - both are designed and built by a single company
the better comparison would be a Mustang or Corvette vs a Kit Car Cobra.

some Kit cars are great, some are junk - you don't know until you try it.

as to the overall reliability data - if you read the data on the Az and Va studies
http://www.retread.org/Government/

they don't say there's no difference between retreads and originals - they say the maintenance fails overwhelmed the data
there were more retread fails.
(there's also a new report I haven't read yet - I probably will at some point)

I don't think retreads are junk.
but they are built on top of an existing core
so the best they can do is match the original
and it's not trivial to match the originals

tommudd · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:57 am

ATXKJ wrote:

Okay
what happens if you take the Wilderness AT and put a retread on it? - are you improving the quality?

as to Corvette & Mustangs - both are designed and built by a single company
the better comparison would be a Mustang or Corvette vs a Kit Car Cobra.

some Kit cars are great, some are junk - you don't know until you try it.

as to the overall reliability data - if you read the data on the Az and Va studies
http://www.retread.org/Government/

they don't say there's no difference between retreads and originals - they say the maintenance fails overwhelmed the data
there were more retread fails.
(there's also a new report I haven't read yet - I probably will at some point)

I don't think retreads are junk.
but they are built on top of an existing core
so the best they can do is match the original
and it's not trivial to match the originals

thats why you request what core you want, simple and easy and as far as your reports, you know you can find anything on line any way you like it :wink:

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:10 pm

Retreads are considered safe, legal, and they are not discriminated against by insurance companies. Not only are they perfectly legal, but they have also become more popular because it’s the green thing to do, plus they meet highway standards and are covered under warranties. Michelin and a few other tire companies purposefully design their tires to be reused multiple times. I’m not sure about the United States, but it looks like Michelin has their own retread plant. Europe has several manufacturers who operate their own retread plants. After doing some research, it looks like retreads are used for airplanes as well. I found this quote, “Every airline uses retreaded tyres and in fact over 90% of all aircraft tyres are retreads.”

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:47 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Retreads are considered safe, legal, and they are not discriminated against by insurance companies. Not only are they perfectly legal, but they have also become more popular because it’s the green thing to do, plus they meet highway standards and are covered under warranties. Michelin and a few other tire companies purposefully design their tires to be reused multiple times. I’m not sure about the United States, but it looks like Michelin has their own retread plant. Europe has several manufacturers who operate their own retread plants. After doing some research, it looks like retreads are used for airplanes as well. I found this quote, “Every airline uses retreaded tyres and in fact over 90% of all aircraft tyres are retreads.”

semis also use retreads

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:22 pm

jsc7002 wrote:

semis also use retreads

and I would have no hesitation using them on a dually axle that had two tires
the redundancy more than makes up for any concern about an individual tire.
I would be much more hesitant to use them on the front -
which - I believe is still the law in most states

also if the initial manufacturer is retreading a tire - then they know the initial material batches
They still have an additional uncertainty about the life history
but because they know the start - they can do a comparison to see if what changed
a comparison is easier than analyzing unknowns.

most airlines have also changed their maintenance to outside the US so that it's cheaper
so I'm not sure if that gives more confidence in retreads - or less confidence in airlines

actually what I haven't seen any data on - is a retread of a Goodyear or Michelin
- more or less reliable than say a Chinese manufactured Kumho?

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:50 pm

jsc7002 wrote:

semis also use retreads

but it they are only allowed on the rear axles, no the steering axle per DOT reg

tommudd · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:59 pm

also a big difference in the way the retread is done, cold -vs-hot, now we are comparing different things ,

also airlines have been using retreads for YEARS not a recent out of this country thing :roll:

They also will retread a tire 12 times or more, local delivery semi tires are generally retreaded 5 or 6 time, with over the road 2 or 3 times

28 million tires were retreaded in 2007 saving 400,000 barrels of oil
according to the Tire Retread and Repair Information Bureau

oh well

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:18 pm

ATXKJ wrote:

Okay what happens if you take the Wilderness AT and put a retread on it? - are you improving the quality?

No, you'd be an idiot. When the whole Ford Explorer/Wilderness AT thing was going on, I remember reading of a retread company that had used them as cores. They voluntarily recalled them, even though they never had a reported failure and were not part of the legal proceedings requiring them to do so.

Now some more legal stuff. Would any retread company that makes tires for passenger cars and trucks be able to without a legal disclaimer stating not to mount them in particular locations on the vehicle or restrict them from highway usage? With how much the sheeple in this country love to sue there would be no way in hell for them to offer such a product without it being as safe to use as the original product.

Also of note, there are several companies that specialize in retreading drag racing tires. So properly done retreads can handle the heat and forces of the warm-up burn out and then running the quarter mile in <12 seconds.

InCommando · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:24 pm

I am wondering which statement is true, as both cannot be:

"but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best."

or

" I would have no hesitation using them on a dually axle that had two tires"

I guess semi's and duallys do not carry heavy loads or travel high-speeds?

there will be some stuff about "what I meant is..." but you will note that the first is an absolute statement & was taken from a post bashing retreads on anything but light or off-road use and not giving any exceptions while the other is "well, retreads are fine for heavy loads & high speeds if they are paired in some manner..." My bike only pedals forwards. :lol:

I am pretty certain that my '80 will wind up with Treadwrights on it. And yes, I would trust a quality used core as much as a new one from China or elsewhere with those rigid safety standards that have flooded our country with melamine, lead, etc.......

I noted that people still ignore the fact that the major cause of the Explorer debacle that lead to the Wilderness recall was found to be a too-low factory air pressure recommendation ( used by ford to improve the ride ) compounded by poor owner maintenance. And IIRC, not all of the "wilderness" series was affected. No, I would not re-use one of those cases. But there is no use getting all chicken-little over it again, either.

HoppedUpOnGoofballs · **Joined:** Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:36 pm **Posts:** 203

InCommando wrote:

I noted that people still ignore the fact that the major cause of the Explorer debacle that lead to the Wilderness recall was found to be a too-low factory air pressure recommendation ( used by ford to improve the ride ) compounded by poor owner maintenance. And IIRC, not all of the "wilderness" series was affected. No, I would not re-use one of those cases. But there is no use getting all chicken-little over it again, either.

EXACTLY!! It was an incorrect pressure on the stickers that caused an unusually high number of tread separations.. I have seen tread separations on other brands, also. Poor owner maintenance plays a huge role (interesting note: something like 85% of serious accidents resulting from the Firestone debacle were female drivers -trying to verify that right now)

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:36 pm

Semi's - can and do blow tires on a regular basis ,well they may not in Ohio - but they do in Texas - especially in the summer and other than litter the roads - it's not a big deal - they don't crash - they don't roll over - they continue on.

While top heavy SUV's - like the Explorer or a KJ - can and do crash or rollover based on a single blowout.

so the effects of a fail are different based on a dual tire vs a single tire.

and yes blowouts are overwhelmingly due to tire pressure - that's why newer vehicles have Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems.

Guest · **Posted:** Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:15 am

ATXKJ, you seem to be confused.

A road gator is not caused by a BLOWOUT.

Blowouts and tread separations are COMPLETELY different. with a tread separation, the tire still retains its air.

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:11 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

ATXKJ, you seem to be confused.

A road gator is not caused by a BLOWOUT.

Blowouts and tread separations are COMPLETELY different. with a tread separation, the tire still retains its air.

Treadwright Retreads Review - Updated Post #1 - 3-18-09

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