Too much torque?!?!

blake1827 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:57 am

Driving to work this am in Denver was probably some of the slickest conditions I've ever driven in. I had the tank in Full Time and have Cooper ATR's and spun my tires all the way up a hill in Inverness. TC was grinding away and I let off the throttle a little but didn't stop flashing til I turned off. I was probably giving the minivan behind me a heart attack fishtailing the whole way @ 20 mph.

BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:12 am

Wasn't the traction control system firing to bog you down and limit wheel slip? I came up west vail pass last Saturday in that crap and didn't slip a tire. Same Coopers and all. I think the grinding was the system firing the brakes to limit wheel slip.

chadhargis · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:34 am

I don't think it has anything to do with the torque. I'm thinking it was just slick.

But I'll admit...I don't know much about it living here in Tennessee. We might get 2" of snow a year if we're lucky and it melts as fast as it fell.

blake1827 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:51 am

it was super slick, I've lived in Denver 25 yrs, driving the last 10 and this am was rough. I did Berthoud and Loveland pass the first winter I had it in a blizzard w/ OEM Goodyears without even blinking....

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BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:40 am

I went around a sharp curve once and the TC was firing making all kinds of racket. Freaked me out, but kept me out of a slide. Those Coopers are a 40-50 thousand miles tire so the rubber compound has to be hard. Not too good on ice.

007husky · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:04 pm

I don`t have trac control (thank dog), but i always preferred part time when driving on ice or slippery snow. (for both the 94 cherokee and the crd)

ironically, My jeep 94 cherokee does MUCH better than the crd on mud or snow...

gmctd · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:13 pm

Were you using 4wd?

Neb'mind - saw "tank" and tho't fuel.....................

BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:15 pm

007husky wrote:

I don`t have trac control (thank dog), but i always preferred part time when driving on ice or slippery snow. (for both the 94 cherokee and the crd)

ironically, My jeep 94 cherokee does MUCH better than the crd on mud or snow...

Yea, I too only use FT off road. Sounds like it wouldn't have matter much for the OP since it was slicker than snot.

mackruss · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:33 pm

crud, perhaps those Coopers i want to buy for my Jeep don't grip so good :lol:

BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:34 pm

mackruss wrote:

crud, perhaps those Coopers i want to buy for my Jeep don't grip so good :lol:

I'm on my second set. They do fine in the snow, and off road, just don't last the full mileage warranty or do well on ice.

Uffe · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:45 pm

blake1827 wrote:

Driving to work this am in Denver was probably some of the slickest conditions I've ever driven in. I had the tank in Full Time and have Cooper ATR's and spun my tires all the way up a hill in Inverness. TC was grinding away and I let off the throttle a little but didn't stop flashing til I turned off. I was probably giving the minivan behind me a heart attack fishtailing the whole way @ 20 mph.

Full-Time means you can spin your rear tires without messing with spinning the front tires. I bet the problem came because a set of tires found some slick stuff, once they start spinning it gets even harder not to spin. You can't be sure you didn't just do a rear-wheel spin while in FT, for that you need to be in PT 4wd.

nursecosmo · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:17 pm

If the road is that slippery, part time 4WD is the best choice, just don't use it if there is any black top showing or you will be in the market for new tires real soon, it's not too great on the gearbox either.

When you say that the TC was grinding, are you referring to the traction control system?

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:22 pm

it was slicker than snot this morning... their wan't a vehicle out there that didn't slip this morning. Even my dad in the 05 ram diesel with BFG TAKO's in 4x4 was having issuse... he even had 4 33 inch tires mounted on 16x12 steel rims in the bed

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:29 am

nurse cosmo wrote:

If the road is that slippery, part time 4WD is the best choice, just don't use it if there is any black top showing or you will be in the market for new tires real soon, it's not too great on the gearbox either.

When you say that the TC was grinding, are you referring to the traction control system?

Yes, I'm sure he was but with our torque converters, you never know.

ribbon · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:10 am

BVCRD wrote:

007husky wrote:

I don`t have trac control (thank dog), but i always preferred part time when driving on ice or slippery snow. (for both the 94 cherokee and the crd)

ironically, My jeep 94 cherokee does MUCH better than the crd on mud or snow...

Yea, I too only use FT off road. Sounds like it wouldn't have matter much for the OP since it was slicker than snot.

part time locks the front and back together. You can use full time all the time even with dry pavement. part time should be used in slick conditions only

abrace · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:56 am

My understanding is that PT locks the transfer case. FT keeps the transfer case open. FT therefore allows the front shaft to spin at a different rate than the rear (allowing you to turn the wheel hard w/o crow hopping).

Bad thing about FT is if you have any one wheel without any traction (or off the ground) the others will do nothing. I use FT most of the time but kick it into PT when I am driving on snow.

---Aaron

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:53 am

BVCRD wrote:

nurse cosmo wrote:

If the road is that slippery, part time 4WD is the best choice, just don't use it if there is any black top showing or you will be in the market for new tires real soon, it's not too great on the gearbox either.

When you say that the TC was grinding, are you referring to the traction control system?

Yes, I'm sure he was but with our torque converters, you never know.

PT gives the best traction, and PT can be used on the highway as long as it is a straight stretch. Remember, in PT, the front and rear axle are equal, and in FT, it is 48-52% or something like that. I use PT on the highway for max traction. I don't want to be going along in FT just fine, then hit a slick spot where one tire spins out. I'd rather all tires were spinning the same to at least keep me going straight. It is unlikely that all 4 wheels will be slipping at the same time.

the plum · **Posted:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:12 pm

GET RID OF TC AND PUT IN A POSI REAR AND U WILL NEVER GET STUCK

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:52 am

[quote="007husky"ironically, My jeep 94 cherokee does MUCH better than the crd on mud or snow...[/quote]

I think there's about a thousand pounds difference between the two :wink:

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

the plum wrote:

GET RID OF TC AND PUT IN A POSI REAR AND U WILL NEVER GET STUCK

How do I go about getting a Chevy POSI-traction on my Jeep? Do I need the whole axle from the Chevy or does the unit just go into the Chrysler? :twisted:

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