worst vehicle ever

offroadohio · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:02 am

Aside from the liberty I think the toyota celica I had was the worst but thats only becuase I bought ti with 200,000 on the clock and from an owner that only changed the oil.

ohv_kj · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:40 am

this is how i feel...u chose the vehical your driving...unless it was a hand me down from mommy and daddy, u can chose what to do with it...if u dont like it...get rid of it and get somthing else... why complian

linewarbr · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:35 pm

Worst vehicle I ever owned was a 98 S-10 Blazer 4-door. That thing was a TOTAL piece.

I bought my CRD with 24K on it in 9/2008, have 49.5K on it now and am loving it. The only failures outside of normal stuff is 2 rear window regulators. (One of those is this Saturday's project - I have tape on it now.) However, I think being on this forum and learning from all the other members helped me to be proactive about addressing things before they go bad, like boost hoses, EHM/ ORM, etc.

I hope to still be driving this thing years and years from now.

offroadohio · **Posted:** Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:21 pm

ohv_kj wrote:

this is how i feel...u chose the vehical your driving...unless it was a hand me down from mommy and daddy, u can chose what to do with it...if u dont like it...get rid of it and get somthing else... why complian

Maybe you havent noticed that the resale value on these things are terrible. They sell 07's all dya long for 7-8000 dollars with 20k on the clock. I still owe more than the current blue book value on it, so its a bit rough to sell it.

I owe 15,000

KBB says

Excellent
$12,630

Good
$11,830

Fair
$10,830

Cant sell it

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:49 am

That has more to do with the Gov take over of GM and Chrysler and dealerships dumping inventory. If you can buy a brand new Jeep at 40% off, it's going to have an impact on the used market.

tomsjeep · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:21 am

Wow, that's a lot still owing on that thing... I got mine July 07, and only owe another $7k on it. But I managed to save a couple of thousand in interest charges by paying extra against the principal early on.

offroadohio · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:29 am

I dont care what the reason really, my point is simply I cant chose to sell it becuase with the current auto market I owe more than it is worth. No I am not complaining about that, that is the case with most any auto loan, you end up owing more than it is worth.

All but one vehicle in my driveway is a chrysler product, The liberty is the only one that gives me so many problem. Both cherokee's and the rampage are pretty dependable so its obvious chrysler knows how to build a vehicle, I was just lucky enough to get a lemon.

DryBones · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:47 am

still wondering about the warranty question............

ohv_kj · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:22 am

offroadohio wrote:

I dont care what the reason really, my point is simply I cant chose to sell it becuase with the current auto market I owe more than it is worth. No I am not complaining about that, that is the case with most any auto loan, you end up owing more than it is worth.

All but one vehicle in my driveway is a chrysler product, The liberty is the only one that gives me so many problem. Both cherokee's and the rampage are pretty dependable so its obvious chrysler knows how to build a vehicle, I was just lucky enough to get a lemon.

so next time dont buy brand new... i have 4 cars... my jeep which it is a dd, a 07 trail blazer which the other half drives, a 77 corvette, and a 79 waggoner... i choose all the vehicals because of thier rep... if somthing was wrong with the trail blazer and warrenty didnt cover it... that to me is a sign to get rid of it and make the other half drive the waggoneer...lol...corvette is mine... just dont buy brand new because you'll lose ur stupid on it... unless u pay cash..

SavageUrge · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:38 pm

I've had 4 vehicles and so far the Jeep Liberty is the BEST one I've owned. It's got 99,000+ miles on it and just now I'm having to have it serviced for something other than a normal wear and tear item. I need to have the pinion seal replaced and I think my CV's are shot. Other than that NOTHING has gone wrong with it up to this point! If I could, I'd buy it again!

offroadohio · **Posted:** Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:14 pm

DryBones wrote:

still wondering about the warranty question............

I must have over looked that question? What was it?

ohv_kj I didnt buy it brand new. it had 19,000 on the clock when I bought it. It has 53ish on it now. I bought this thing to drive so I racked up the miles and becuase the milage is so high for an 07 it isnt worth squat.

I have two 90 cherokees an 87 charger an 84 rampage and a 94 cavaliar. All 4 of them are turn key ready to drive at any moment.
As said before It has been time to sell the liberty since warrenty ran out becuase of the issues ive had but I owe 15,000 ( after a year and a 1/2 of paying I still owe more than the actual purchase price was) and blue book is around 12000, no one can even get a loan on it if they did want to buy it. I am stuck with it, so it now sits beside the garage untagged and uninsured and I send the bank a payment for something that doesnt even get driver becuase the two vehicles that are 20+ years old that are being DD between the wife and I cost us less to maintain.

Every issue my liberty has had, has been exsperianced by someone else, but as said eariler most people dont see ALL of the issues. I am just lucky I guess.

icarl · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:52 pm

This thread is kind of pointless. It is clear that the OP does not want to listen to anyone else's experience of the liberty but only his own. As with any vehicle when it costs a lot to maintain that vehicle people will usually sell it. This is not unique to the liberty. The fact that the OP has other vehicles that have cost him less to main than his liberty means nothing. There are many people who have posted that have said their liberty has been very cost effective compared to other vehicles they have owned. Does the OP's experience negate all others. Of course not. It is clear the OP wants some kind of apology from us or just wants to rant about his misfortunes. He has at least a couple of choices. He could sell the liberty and swallow any financial loss. Or he could fix it and hope that in the long run his repair bill will go down and thus become more cost effective. If he just parks it and doesn't use it that is pointless as he is basically paying for something that he doesn't use. Instead of parking it he might as well sell it since he would pay his debt faster.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:08 pm

icarl wrote:

This thread is kind of pointless. It is clear that the OP does not want to listen to anyone else's experience of the liberty but only his own. As with any vehicle when it costs a lot to maintain that vehicle people will usually sell it. This is not unique to the liberty. The fact that the OP has other vehicles that have cost him less to main than his liberty means nothing. There are many people who have posted that have said their liberty has been very cost effective compared to other vehicles they have owned. Does the OP's experience negate all others. Of course not. It is clear the OP wants some kind of apology from us or just wants to rant about his misfortunes. He has at least a couple of choices. He could sell the liberty and swallow any financial loss. Or he could fix it and hope that in the long run his repair bill will go down and thus become more cost effective. If he just parks it and doesn't use it that is pointless as he is basically paying for something that he doesn't use. Instead of parking it he might as well sell it since he would pay his debt faster.

Or the fact that a 15-20 year old vehicle is cheaper(parts wise) to maintain then a 2 year old vehicle where most of the only available parts are still a dealer only item and the complex electronic systems are more costly to diagnose and repair.

Let's compare.................

My '75 HP front axle to the D30A front diff.............

Bearings......

KJ--$150 each or $300 for both sides(Timkin)
HP44 Ford axle--all 4 bearing(brand new) for $80(Timkin)

KJ--LBJ's,MOOG K3199's--$130 for the pair
HP44 Ford axle--$120 for 4(2 uppers and 2 lowers) with lifetime warranty(high end brand).

That's just a few wear item price differences which add up very fast.

icarl · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:43 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

icarl wrote:

This thread is kind of pointless. It is clear that the OP does not want to listen to anyone else's experience of the liberty but only his own. As with any vehicle when it costs a lot to maintain that vehicle people will usually sell it. This is not unique to the liberty. The fact that the OP has other vehicles that have cost him less to main than his liberty means nothing. There are many people who have posted that have said their liberty has been very cost effective compared to other vehicles they have owned. Does the OP's experience negate all others. Of course not. It is clear the OP wants some kind of apology from us or just wants to rant about his misfortunes. He has at least a couple of choices. He could sell the liberty and swallow any financial loss. Or he could fix it and hope that in the long run his repair bill will go down and thus become more cost effective. If he just parks it and doesn't use it that is pointless as he is basically paying for something that he doesn't use. Instead of parking it he might as well sell it since he would pay his debt faster.

Or the fact that a 15-20 year old vehicle is cheaper(parts wise) to maintain then a 2 year old vehicle where most of the only available parts are still a dealer only item and the complex electronic systems are more costly to diagnose and repair.

Let's compare.................

My '75 HP front axle to the D30A front diff.............

Bearings......

KJ--$150 each or $300 for both sides(Timkin)
HP44 Ford axle--all 4 bearing(brand new) for $80(Timkin)

KJ--LBJ's,MOOG K3199's--$130 for the pair
HP44 Ford axle--$120 for 4(2 uppers and 2 lowers) with lifetime warranty(high end brand).

That's just a few wear item price differences which add up very fast.

That's a good point. It begs the question are modern vehicles more expensive to fix than the older vehicles? I can relate to the OP's frustration with the expense of fixing his vehicle, something he is not accustomed to. For example, I own a 2008 Saturn Astra that I use for my computer business. It's 1 year old now and I haven't had any major issues with it. But a couple of weeks ago I got a huge rock chip on the windshield that is basically unrepairable and would require a new windshield to fix. I called around for prices and found that it would cost $800 to fix. I was upset as you can imagine, why so much. The liberty windshield is less than $300 to replace. But the astra windshield has some integrated rain sensor electronics. So it makes me wonder if everything on this car going to be expensive to fix. I decided to 'repair' the windshield myself for now and get a new one at a later time.

Eventually, perhaps the price of the windshield will go down. I heard it's possible to buy the windshield and have the sensors installed. Not sure if it cheaper. But it does seem to bring up the point that newer cars may be more expensive to fix.

offroadohio · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:15 pm

The cost of the repairs doesnt bother me, higher cost is to be exspected with a newer vehicle becuase of the lack of aftermarket. The amount of repairs is what bugs me. Myfather n laws 06 chevy had 200,000 on it when he traded it in ( it was a work truck) He put brakes and kept his fluids changed on it and had NO other issues in the near 3 years he drove it.

I dont know how many times I have to say, I CAN NOT sell it. the bank WILL NOT give up the title until it is paid in full. So I sell it for 10k and still owe 5k on it, how am I supposed to give the new owner the title? Ive already talked to ther bank several times about this and they wont even let me change the collateral over to anything else. I'm stuck with it until the loan is paid in full. If I could sell it I would but sinc eI cant its more cost effective to send the payment in and drive the rustbucket that gets 30mpg.

I loved this thing for the first few months that I had it until it started falling apart. When it isnt having issues it is a great all around vehicle. I can hook it to my cherokee and drag it down the road at 80mph behind it. I can take it out in the woods and go alot of places other 4wd vehicles as close to stock as mine is wouldnt take me. Its comfy on long trips ect... Just sucks that its a big pile fo crap. I feel more comfortable getting in my 84 dodge and going on a rd trip than I do the liberty at this point. It has never left me stranded as the liberty has.

InCommando · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:23 pm

In 1984 I bought a Dodge 2.2L Charger ( same as the rampage ) brand new. That was a very problematic car. The progressive 2-v carb was JUNK and it had many dealer returns for warranty repairs. They gave me a good deal to get rid of it ( Ohio had no lemon law at the time) and I swapped it for a new '85 Shelby charger with the turbo 2.2L. It ate 3 alts in the first year and the transaxle died twice. I got stranded in Athens so often I should have kept a cot at Gribble on State St. That Shelby became an '87 cutlass Supreme. I, unfortunately, thought that the charger/duster/omni/024/rampage line were pretty crappy cars. If you are having good luck, I am glad about that. I have even thought about your rampage as I have always wanted to tube-chassis one. But at $600 cash I could put up with a lot of stuff I wouldn't at $400/month for 5 years.

Now, would I hardly bat an eye at putting an alt on a 25 year old econobox? Heck no. But a new one with a payment would piss me off to no end. That really does color people's impressions even if they don't realize it.

icarl · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:49 am

offroadohio wrote:

I dont know how many times I have to say, I CAN NOT sell it. the bank WILL NOT give up the title until it is paid in full. So I sell it for 10k and still owe 5k on it, how am I supposed to give the new owner the title? Ive already talked to ther bank several times about this and they wont even let me change the collateral over to anything else. I'm stuck with it until the loan is paid in full. If I could sell it I would but sinc eI cant its more cost effective to send the payment in and drive the rustbucket that gets 30mpg.

I'm not a financial expert nor am I from your neck of the woods so I'm not familiar with why the bank has the title of your car. When I buy a car, even with a loan, I own that car and am free to sell it as I please. It is still pointless to keep the car if you do not use it. Why don't you transfer your loan to another loan company. In other words you would get another loan to pay the bank loan vehicle pending sale of the vehicle and then use the purchase price of the vehicle as a down payment on the new loan? There is always another way. A bank can not force you to keep something just because you owe money on it. What happens if you can't afford to make payments? If you sell the car, you pay the lenders the selling price and continue making payments on the remainder of the loan. Where I'm from when you purchase a vehicle with a loan you own the vehicle. The loan is separate from ownership of the vehicle. If you default on payment they can collect the vehicle as collateral. But they can not force you to keep the vehicle until it is payed off. Something doesn't seem right about that and it seems somehow immoral for them to force you to keep the vehicle against your will. I would be also checking with what my legal rights are in this situation.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:59 am

Was this a repossessed vehicle that you had bought from the bank? Perhaps this would explain a few things. I would do a car fax on the vehicle.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:03 pm

icarl wrote:

offroadohio wrote:

I dont know how many times I have to say, I CAN NOT sell it. the bank WILL NOT give up the title until it is paid in full. So I sell it for 10k and still owe 5k on it

I'm not a financial expert nor am I from your neck of the woods so I'm not familiar with why the bank has the title of your car. Something doesn't seem right about that and it seems somehow immoral for them to force you to keep the vehicle against your will. I would be also checking with what my legal rights are in this situation.

icarl.

I can't imagine a bank lending money and not holding the title :shock:

They would soon go broke. In Ohio and I'll bet most other states, the bank has title of the vehicle till the loan is paid in full. He is what's called "upside down" on his loan. This is what happened in the housing market. The house or jeep is not worth what is owed on it. Buying a one year old car from a dealer is a bad idea because for the dealer to make money and stay in business they have to get near new prices for a used car.
His bank will release the title to him anytime he pays off the $15,000 outstanding amount he owes. So if he wants to sell it for $10,000 fine he just needs to come up with $5000 :shock:

He made a bad choice and oboma is not going to bail him out :lol:

I have owned or driven many new cars over the years and I must say there has been more recalls on my 06 crd then all of them combined

And that does not include the air in the fuel problem the dealer "could not duplicate", the seats that stain with clear water, the plastic stator in the torque converter they detuned the engine to protect, the window channels that were replaced so they would roll down correctly and the list goes on.
The problem is the bean counters were allowed to run wild on the Liberties :cry:

icarl · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:47 pm

Even so, there must be another way. What about refinancing with a credit union and using the selling price of the vehicle as down payment?
It doesn't make sense that the bank will not LET him sell it. He should be able to sell it and use the money to pay off most of the loan. What if he can't afford to make payments. Then the bank loses.

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