This could have eatin the Hummer H1 for breakfast

flman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:26 pm

Concept that never came to be...............

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/jeep/jeep- ... r1183.html

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Bean Counter kill it off?

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

Yes, very cool vehicle. It had a 5.9 Cummins in it as well.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:09 am

Well, it DID make it to production. At least, the intent for that concept did. It's the Wrangler Unlimited. They built that to guage interest in a larger, 4-door Jeep. If you remember, the first year of the JK Wrangler even had that same paint as an option. It was called "Rescue Green". And they built the new JK to handle large tires like that with no lift needed. Really, there are few differences. Except the Cummins engine, which obviously will never go into a Wrangler for EPA and practicality reasons.

When I saw this post, I thought it was going to be the Hurricane concept. THAT was the one that never made it to production, but would have been cool.

Coliniksi · **Joined:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:49 am **Posts:** 242

I woulda bought it :SOMBRERO:

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:58 am

LibertyCRD wrote:

Well, it DID make it to production. At least, the intent for that concept did. It's the Wrangler Unlimited.

The Wrangler Unlimited has at least one serious short coming as far as I'm concerned and that's it's 3500# towing limit :dead:

When it was brought up on a trailer group I belong to I didn't believe it untill I went to the jeep site and looked it up :banghead:

flman · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:28 am

Joe Romas wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

Well, it DID make it to production. At least, the intent for that concept did. It's the Wrangler Unlimited.

The Wrangler Unlimited has at least one serious short coming as far as I'm concerned and that's it's 3500# towing limit :dead:

When it was brought up on a trailer group I belong to I didn't believe it untill I went to the jeep site and looked it up :banghead:

I don't think the majority of Jeep buyers have the sole intention of towing. If I have to tow something heavy, I would buy the appropriate vehicle, and it would not be a Jeep.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:49 pm

Yeah, the funny thing about it is that the Jeep Wrangler is the ONLY Jeep left with a steel ladder frame and solid axles front and rear. Mechanically and physically...it's is actually the BEST Jeep to tow with. I think the low rating is simply because of the pathetic minivan V6 they chose. If they had offered a CRD or a 4.7L V8 option here in the States, that thing would have been ten times better for an all-around vehicle.

flman · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:52 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Yeah, the funny thing about it is that the Jeep Wrangler is the ONLY Jeep left with a steel ladder frame and solid axles front and rear. Mechanically and physically...it's is actually the BEST Jeep to tow with. I think the low rating is simply because of the pathetic minivan V6 they chose. If they had offered a CRD or a 4.7L V8 option here in the States, that thing would have been ten times better for an all-around vehicle.

I agree with you there, every vehicle in the US should have a diesel option.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:57 pm

Beef up a JK frame and put a power train out of a 2500 Dodge Cummins into it.
As close as you can get.
It would be great if Jeepin Al had a kit to marry a JK and 2500 Ram Cummins.

Hint Hint

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:58 am

flman wrote:

I don't think the majority of Jeep buyers have the sole intention of towing. If I have to tow something heavy, I would buy the appropriate vehicle, and it would not be a Jeep.

You might be supprised :jester:

I bought my CRD with the intent to towing a camper. Other then the transmission's shifting pattern on a grade around 60-65 mph it does a fine job. The brand/style I eventually bought comes in right at 3500#. Several owners of a forum for that trailer have wanted Wangler Unlimited's untill they found out the unlimited would not do. We're not talking a 5th wheel cattle trailer here and a Dodge cummins would look pretty silly pulling one of these small trailers :BANANA:

Expecially if it had twin chromed stacks :-)r

While camping in NC last week I met another CRD owner who also tows a trailer at about that weight. There's a good many people who are thinking small for both camping trailers and vehicles to tow it with. There were a number of jeeps of various types with trailers in tow.

flman · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:49 am

Joe Romas wrote:

You might be supprised :jester:

I bought my CRD with the intent to towing a camper. Other then the transmission's shifting pattern on a grade around 60-65 mph it does a fine job. The brand/style I eventually bought comes in right at 3500#. Several owners of a forum for that trailer have wanted Wangler Unlimited's untill they found out the unlimited would not do. We're not talking a 5th wheel cattle trailer here and a Dodge cummins would look pretty silly pulling one of these small trailers :BANANA:

Expecially if it had twin chromed stacks :-)r

While camping in NC last week I met another CRD owner who also tows a trailer at about that weight. There's a good many people who are thinking small for both camping trailers and vehicles to tow it with. There were a number of jeeps of various types with trailers in tow.

For the occasional camper tow, or the constant small trailer tow, I can bet the CRD is great. I guess I did not consider people towing campers and boats for leisure, and the Jeep being the perfect companion. I was only thinking business use. But if I were towing something big and heavy all the time, I would be doing with a Cummins.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:09 pm

flman wrote:

For the occasional camper tow, or the constant small trailer tow, I can bet the CRD is great. I guess I did not consider people towing campers and boats for leisure, and the Jeep being the perfect companion. I was only thinking business use. But if I were towing something big and heavy all the time, I would be doing with a Cummins.

I have to disagree on that. I use my CRD both for hauling extreme weights (7,000 lbs and 7.5x20x7h enclosed box) and for fairly-regular hauling of a decently sized towable generator. The CRD likes to work. I think I get better performance out of it when it is loaded down, compared to when it is just moving my fat arse around and is having this power loss problem.

The arguments that people make about towing without using a truck are all silly and (IMHO) designed to make them feel better about their own lack of towing experience or the sad mileage they get from their trucks. Consider the TRUE power that might be possible if this ratio holds... My 4-cylinder Jeep can pull itself (4300 lbs) and 7k of whatever easily (wind loading permitting, b/c THAT drags down the big box)... What about a Cummins V-8 or a Powerstroke V8 diesel? 5k of truck, and probably as much as 40k of trailer? I'm not saying I would do that (or that it would be legal to pull that extreme weight without a CDL) but I believe that the big V8 Powerstroke engine could probably do it, and be loaded to about the same level as my little I4 with 11k of GCW. The point is, the manufacturers do NOT test these to their actual capabilities. They let marketing and legal decide what liability they want to allow, and THAT determines the rating on that sticker.

People make noises about the length of the tractor versus the length of the trailer. In theory this sounds plausible, BUT has anyone ever seen one of those mobile home tractors? Those are all bumper-pull styles, and the length of the truck doing the pulling is the same as ours - SHORT. When hooked to the front of one of those 70' homes, that is a wheelbase that nobody compares to.

I realize that is an extreme example, but there are plenty of ways to tow safely with any vehicle... And plenty of ways to NOT tow safely with a big fat truck. It isn't about the tool, it is the experience level of the most important component: The nut behind the wheel. :mrgreen:

Tow safe out there.

flman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:50 am

geordi, if you feel stable towing that big of a load with a little Jeep go for it. But you did mention the winds, so yeah :roll:

geordi · **Posted:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:54 am

Yes, I mentioned wind loading. But I was referring to front load from the square footage into the oncoming wind that the engine would need to overcome... Not any side loading from crosswinds. While pulling that box with my Jeep, I have experienced some crosswinds as well... But I wasn't about to travel at a speed where that would have any effect on me. Fastest I have pulled that box (loaded) is 60mph. Fastest I have pulled it unloaded is 65... Which is all that I could get the CRD to do. The front wind loading was too much.

I'm not discounting crosswind as a concern at all. If you aren't comfortable with handling that, you will be as unsafe with a 30' 12k lb RV pulling a 6x12 box, as you might be with a Jeep pulling a 20' long box trailer. It is all about being comfortable with your setup.

The reality is that ANY towing setup can get sideways if there is a problem or an unexpected environmental situation that isn't handled properly. I have been through this, and survived without any damage or injury thankfully. As such, I will never tow significant loads again without independent braking control.

What was my setup that got sideways? 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee, pulling a tow dolly with my 01 Jetta TDI on it. 45mph cross wind gusts from an approaching tropical storm, rain and slick conditions. The Jeep (at 55mph) hydroplaned for a split second at the same time a gust pushed me sideways about 8 inches. This started the tow dolly and the car swaying BADLY, and without any brakes on the dolly to control it directly, my braking had no effect other than to make the sway worse. It swung about 4 times, then pushed me sideways and aimed the front end at the median. The instant the front wheels hit that, the dolly and car were moving faster than the Jeep, and I spun completely around. I was now completely in the median, going BACKWARDS at ~40 mph, until the car swerved sideways back toward the lane it had just left, swinging me 180* back around again to face the correct direction. There I finally stopped, with the Jeep and trailer at 90* to each other, and 45* in reference to the roadway - The Jeep pointing toward the lane as if ready to pull right back onto the road and go.

No damage to anything, just a LOT of cut grass all over my cars and trailer. That setup was a completely "normal" and not outlandish weight to be hauling. But I did not have the proper equipment to deal with unexpected violent sway. A truck would NOT have prevented that. Actually, I believe a truck might have made it worse for a higher center of gravity and less weight on the rear wheels. They would have pushed sideways just as easy. Knowing how to handle it however... I would not tow in those conditions. That is the real safety equipment - Knowledge of what the entire system can handle, INCLUDING the driver.

flman · **Posted:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:56 am

OK, geordi, I am not doubting your abilities. Have a nice day

Coliniksi · **Joined:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:49 am **Posts:** 242

warp2diesel wrote:

Beef up a JK frame and put a power train out of a 2500 Dodge Cummins into it.
As close as you can get.
It would be great if Jeepin Al had a kit to marry a JK and 2500 Ram Cummins.

Hint Hint

If he did that I would reinvest in a JK :mrgreen:

Dean · **Joined:** Sun May 09, 2010 7:52 am **Posts:** 16

It came even closer to reality than most can imagine. Check out the Jeep C-8 military version on American expedition Vehicles website. http://www.aev-conversions.com/vehicles/j8_milspec.php I'd love one....

salden77 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:42 pm **Posts:** 271

that is amazing, i would buy one too, it looks bad booty and with a cummins under the hood it has to be bad booty!

This could have eatin the Hummer H1 for breakfast

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