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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:34 pm 
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You can say what you want, but the FACT is the published life expectancy of the Cummins in the Dodge Ram was 300,000 miles. And the published life expectancy in the GM and Ford was 250,000 miles. This is before overhaul.

Jeep didn't even publish a life-to-overhaul number for these engines...and NO most of them will never make it to 1 million miles. It's funny to even think that with all the carnage we're seeing from the ones with only 150K on the clock. :SOMBRERO:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:08 pm 
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I believe that the VM Motori 2.5L and 2.8L engines have been used for many years as marine engines, I wonder what their longevity is, anyone know the history of these engines?

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:38 pm 
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LibertyCRD wrote:
...and NO most of them will never make it to 1 million miles.


Probably the person that heard this did not realize is was nothing more then an over exaggerated statement.

"Yup, you will get a million miles out of that engine." :ROTFL:

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:55 pm 
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Starting to plan ahead here guys.... anybody have a good source for 80 Goodyear Fortera Tripletread 245 / 60r /16" ?

Also searching for an affordable parts storage facility with a 41.66 year lease and an option to buy.

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:37 pm 
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They have these things now, a fairly new invention to prevent vehicle degradation due to winter road coatings... They are called car washes. Just sayin'. :goink:

My CRD spent the winter in snow and brine-covered roads... And got washed once per week at a minimum, or after every slush bath (after it snowed). Heated car wash at a gas station, with undercarriage spray - $5. :pepper:

I don't know about any Chrysler product having non-drivetrain parts that are worth keeping around for more than 100k. The 97 Grand Cherokee now needs a new central message center, the screen suddenly lost half the display about 2 weeks ago. 225k miles, but that is an electronic component. What happened?


You have obviously never lived in the rust belt. Up here the carwashes are shut down sometimes for weeks or months at a time because they can't operate when the temps are below freezing. The roads however will get slushy spots at midday if the temp gets above zero. As the temps warm up in the spring, it doesn't matter how many times a day you wash your car. Five minutes after washing it, it will be covered in salt again until we get the first good rain of the year. The roads stay wet with brine and melting snow banks from the end of February until the end of march. It's just something that you have to experience.


True, I haven't lived in the true rust belt... But the conditions (at least briefly) in Virginia this winter must have been similar to yours. You sure there aren't any closed-door washes that use hot water? In the middle of Va, where even a DENNY'S or a Chili's is 60 miles away... There were 4 that I can think of off the top of my head. They stayed open all winter.

As for the rest of the conditions, yea, it will get sprayed and splattered quickly again, but like was said - keep the coating thin, and it will do less damage. I like the idea of an oil undercoating, that would make for a good barrier. Only thing I can think of that would be better, is to rhino-line the bottom. :SOMBRERO:

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:18 pm 
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I am at just under 250000 mi on my Cummins. Still running strong and the body is in really good condition for a 1993 in SD.
I may make the million if I can avoid the deer and elk. (Coyotes don't cause any damage) :lol:

I have 180000 on my CRD and since I spent the $ for the GDE tunes I plan on seeing what it will do.

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:01 am 
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... I'm pretty sure the body will fall apart before the engine does.


This is an interesting company to watch; maybe the KJ will show up also.
Anyone know the closest match for track and wheel base?

http://www.aqualu.com/aqualu_land_cruis ... is_006.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
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They are used in both marine and industrial applications according to the very friendly US rep that I spoke with. HOWEVER, getting a boat shop or a Detroit Diesel shop to look at the 2.8 is like trying to get Congress to be honest and fast-acting.

Not happening. They will make any excuse possible, even including "our tools are just too large to fit." (That's what he said?) Sadly, that IS the response I got from a DD shop. Found out later that VM was pulling their authorization from that shop anyway... Probably a good thing they wouldn't work on my engine.

The real question for the longer-lasting (if they are, I don't know) marine and generator applications... Are they encumbered by all that EGR crap or can they breathe straight-through like they are supposed to? Would that help the longevity?

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
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Squeeto wrote:
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... I'm pretty sure the body will fall apart before the engine does.


This is an interesting company to watch; maybe the KJ will show up also.
Anyone know the closest match for track and wheel base?

http://www.aqualu.com/aqualu_land_cruis ... is_006.htm

Very intriguing, though a little pricey... My plan is to drive my CRD until it becomes to expensive to maintain, whether that is a body or engine issue remains to be seen. If it last me until I'm 125 (and we're still using petroleum fuels) then so be it :jester:

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:45 am 
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If you can work on it / troubleshoot yourself - I'd expect parts to be readily available from Europe or Marine suppliers (they've even used the 2.8 on London cabs).

and if the swap stuff gets easy enough - drive it until the body falls apart and then swap it to a Wrangler.

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:44 pm 
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Cylinder sleeves = designed for rebuild. I would think it is more a matter of how much $$ you want to invest in longevity rather than whether or not the engine will last.

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
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not one person has even mentioned any thing about transmission!!! any word on how long they last or even how much betting they can handle??!

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
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I'd expect at least 1 tranny rebuild every 150-200K.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Typically Genset engines will get ~10,000 hours if they ever get used enough before they are obsolete. That would translate to 600,000 miles for our CRDs. With all the start and stop driving it will diminish the life considerably. Do mostly road trips, you may get 300,000 to 400,000 miles. Around town with short trips, I have seen 250,000 mile engines killed off in 40,000 miles that were driven to the "Grocery Store and Church".
If I had to make a guess, I would speculate that the CRD block could be re-sleeved 4-5 times. The cylinder head, it will depend upon how many times it is cooled of and reheated, aluminum has a finite life when it comes to fatigue, more so than cast iron. With even Airbus aircraft logging hundreds of thousands of hours on the aluminum parts, chances are that aluminum fatigue of the cylinder head will not be what kills it off.
Other than bad luck, maintenance neglect will be what kills off more CRD engines than wear.

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 Post subject: Re: Million Mile Engine
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:28 am 
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You said it best Warp. A million miles on a CRD is pure fantasy. To say these light duty engines far exceed a semi engine is a total joke.

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