My Ownership Experience --- One year later

fastRob · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:28 pm

black dog wrote:

Tjkj, if you think your gasser is superior to the crd, then why are you planning an engine swap? How many of us diesel boys are planning a swap? Your statement of us needing to mod is no different than the tj or jk crowd making fun of us for needing to modify for wheeling, Wouldn't you agree Mr sfa? Don't get twisted, I like your jeep but if I were to buy a gasser it wouldn't be a kj. I await your booty chewing. :-)r

Black Dog, I think TJKJ has a point. He also likes to pitch in with suggestions and help sometimes.
But, Black Dog, you should be aware of an insidious affliction in the Jeep world, known as "Diesel Envy."
After you have posted here a while you will notice that they lurk and "Help Out" now and then but you will know by their comments that they really want one, bad. Sometimes I do not know if they even realize it. They long for the torque, the destinctive rattle, and dare I say the manly stink and black smoke of a turbo winding up and banging gears. They visit gas stations so often they think they own them. We wave, towing heavy loads effortlessly while they long for a manly motor in a chick car like the CRD Liberty. :2cents:

Ha!!! My 500th post. Boy, this forum has been fun and so is the CRD!!! Great People!!! Great Machine!!!

bugnout · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:50 pm

fastRob wrote:

dieseldoesit wrote:

fastRob wrote:

But, if Obammy manages to shut down those oil fields in the gulf, 30% of domestic supply, we are screwed.

30%??? How would we get screwed? Oil price depends upon the global market price of oil... Domestic and imports a like.

Do you think that the amount of fuel in the often mentioned fuel inventories does not reflect on prices?
Fuel supply up, prices down, Fuel inventory down, prices up.
Remember Katrina? Storm wrecked production, fuel supplies way down, prices went way up.

ya but...

When we had the $5.00 per gal spike a couple of years ago it had absolutely nothing to do with supply and demand, it was almost 100% speculation. The commodities market was trading 2 to 3 times more oil than actually existed and evidence from the refineries show that stock on hand exceeded demand. The price spike reflected the speculation on futures.

I'll see if I can dig up the report.

linewarbr · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:06 pm

To the OP before the diesel vs. gas vs. Troy flame war really gets into high gear. . . .

I too like the XTerra, if for only one reason: to my knowledge, it is one of the only mid-size 4-door SUV's with a bulletproof engine that is also AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION. Honestly, that is the only thing I balked at in considering my CRD purchase - I love to shift my own gears. If I were to suffer a catastrophic failure of some kind with my CRD, and couldn't find an affordable Grand Cherokee CRD, I would be looking for a 6-speed XTerra for shizzle.

The CRD is not for everyone, so congratulations on your find; I hope it provides you many trouble-free years of ownership like my Pathfinder did for me.

KJ 119 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:42 pm

linewarbr wrote:

The CRD is not for everyone.

From what I hear,it's only for the True Enthusiast.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:14 pm

black dog wrote:

Tjkj, if you think your gasser is superior to the crd, then why are you planning an engine swap? How many of us diesel boys are planning a swap? Your statement of us needing to mod is no different than the tj or jk crowd making fun of us for needing to modify for wheeling, Wouldn't you agree Mr sfa? Don't get twisted, I like your jeep but if I were to buy a gasser it wouldn't be a kj. I await your booty chewing. :-)r

The engine swap will still be a gas engine.This swap is not for mpg's.Power is part of the reason for the swap,but at 6000lbs even your 2.8 would have issues moving my beast around here in the mountains.The 3.7 does a good job of moving my KJ but the V8 swap will be for tuning.I'll be able to put my torque curve where I want it with a SBF 347 with stand alone FI.My mpg's will go down but I don't care(like you all do) since my Jeep is for fun,unlike some I can actually afford gas since I do not get in over my head with buying junk.

I'm in no way anti-diesel,just anti small vehicle diesel since they serve no purpose and just waste diesel for real trucks.Next year I'll be buying a '12 F350 SD with the new 6.7 PS to tow my KJ around with,it will remain stock since towing is all it will be doing and any moding will just reduce towing ability and I'll be towing 3 Jeeps.

And yes I test drove the new 6.7 Cummins,what a joke compared to the new PS,plus I can get all the options I want,and delete what I don't want, for cheaper the the Dodge,by almost $10,000.All I have to buy with the Ford is a $70 gooseneck ball,that is it.The dodge would need another $3000+ of dealer add-ons after the $48,000 price tag to get the same stuff I can order on the F350 and still be covered under the warranty.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:24 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

black dog wrote:

Tjkj, if you think your gasser is superior to the crd, then why are you planning an engine swap? How many of us diesel boys are planning a swap? Your statement of us needing to mod is no different than the tj or jk crowd making fun of us for needing to modify for wheeling, Wouldn't you agree Mr sfa? Don't get twisted, I like your jeep but if I were to buy a gasser it wouldn't be a kj. I await your booty chewing. :-)r

The engine swap will still be a gas engine.This swap is not for mpg's.Power is part of the reason for the swap,but at 6000lbs even your 2.8 would have issues moving my beast around here in the mountains.The 3.7 does a good job of moving my KJ but the V8 swap will be for tuning.I'll be able to put my torque curve where I want it with a SBF 347 with stand alone FI.My mpg's will go down but I don't care(like you all do) since my Jeep is for fun,unlike some I can actually afford gas since I do not get in over my head with buying junk.

I'm in no way anti-diesel,just anti small vehicle diesel since they serve no purpose and just waste diesel for real trucks.Next year I'll be buying a '12 F350 SD with the new 6.7 PS to tow my KJ around with,it will remain stock since towing is all it will be doing and any moding will just reduce towing ability and I'll be towing 3 Jeeps.

And yes I test drove the new 6.7 Cummins,what a joke compared to the new PS,plus I can get all the options I want,and delete what I don't want, for cheaper the the Dodge,by almost $10,000.All I have to buy with the Ford is a $70 gooseneck ball,that is it.The dodge would need another $3000+ of dealer add-ons after the $48,000 price tag to get the same stuff I can order on the F350 and still be covered under the warranty.

I hope you're swapping in a BIG V8....otherwise you are doing yourself no good. My CRD makes the same torque as a 5.7L Hemi of the same model year....only I'm making that torque at 1,800 RPM. :mrgreen:

And the Hemi has to absolutely screem to make that torque.

Did I mention that at the same time, I can tow a 3.5 ton trailer and get the same MPGs as that Hemi will get running empty? Good luck.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:40 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

I hope you're swapping in a BIG V8....otherwise you are doing yourself no good. My CRD makes the same torque as a 5.7L Hemi of the same model year....only I'm making that torque at 1,800 RPM. :mrgreen:

And the Hemi has to absolutely screem to make that torque.

Did I mention that at the same time, I can tow a 3.5 ton trailer and get the same MPGs as that Hemi will get running empty? Good luck.

347 cubic inch V8,will be putting out at least 440lbs-ft of torque from 1500-4000rpms(6000rpm redline),should have a peak torque of somewhere around 490-510lbs-ft.More then you CRD will ever make for half the cost.If I want to go wild I can easily build a SB 408 Ford with well over 650lbs-ft of torque for the same price as the 2.8 CRD engine.All on pump gas and less polluting to boot.

Oh and those 5.7's are not even close to a HEMI,just the name is all they have in common with a real HEMI.The 3.7/4.7 are more of a HEMI then the so-called HEMI's are.

CATCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:43 pm

Why is jealousy always so easy to spot?

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:46 pm

CATCRD wrote:

Why is jealousy always so easy to spot?

Not jealous,I laugh at all the issues you guy's have and thank g o d I did not buy one. When you break down I'll be truckin past you with a smile from ear to ear :mrgreen:

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black dog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:31 pm **Posts:** 46

I wasn't trying to start a fight, I was just playing devil's advocate. Everyone has their thing, mine is diesel. My "real" truck is a 2005 peterbilt with a 550 hp c15 cat, the crd is just my toy. I love to tinker with it on the weekends when I'm not jammin' gears. I have seen on a few other threads you were hating on the crd so, I was to ruffle your feathers a little bit. I hope one day to have a kj like yours but, mine will still have a crd badge on it. :JEEPIN:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:54 pm

black dog wrote:

I wasn't trying to start a fight, I was just playing devil's advocate. Everyone has their thing, mine is diesel. My "real" truck is a 2005 peterbilt with a 550 hp c15 cat, the crd is just my toy. I love to tinker with it on the weekends when I'm not jammin' gears. I have seen on a few other threads you were hating on the crd so, I was to ruffle your feathers a little bit. I hope one day to have a kj like yours but, mine will still have a crd badge on it. :JEEPIN:

Now if I could figure out how to put the below engine in my KJ that would be killer...............

Wonder if anyone will even know what engine it is?

CATCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:03 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

Power is part of the reason for the swap,but at 6000lbs even your 2.8 would have issues moving my beast around here in the mountains.

That's funny because when we're towing 1500 lbs it's like it's not even there.

tjkj2002 wrote:

347 cubic inch V8,will be putting out at least 440lbs-ft of torque from 1500-4000rpms(6000rpm redline),should have a peak torque of somewhere around 490-510lbs-ft.More then you CRD will ever make for half the cost.

So derate that 20-30% depending on altitude, derate the turbodiesel about 0%.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:55 pm

CATCRD wrote:

So derate that 20-30% depending on altitude, derate the turbodiesel about 0%.

Those #'s are taking altitude into consideration.

jeep4life7 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:05 am

What the HELL does all this "well my really truck can pull and this and that" if you want to have a big boy my rig is better than your rig contest then check out the gasser vs. Crd post that some one did so they could figure out what they want :2cents:

(but if you want my opinion crd vs gas there both jeeps so there both good vehicles) :JEEPIN:

racertracer · **Posted:** Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:59 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

CATCRD wrote:

Why is jealousy always so easy to spot?

Not jealous,I laugh at all the issues you guy's have and thank g o d I did not buy one. When you break down I'll be truckin past you with a smile from ear to ear :mrgreen:

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Now where's the brotherly love?

If your common gasoline engine reached 400,000 miles untouched and was stuck and stranded on the side of the road, we would surely pull you out of your quagmire, while respectfully keeping our laughter to a minimum.

stoutdog · **Posted:** Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:46 pm

Still saying to each their own.... but, seriously, tjkj, you got this all started by critiquing me for the couple hundred dollars worth of mods that I did to increase the durability (Samcos, Fuel Filter Head, GDE) and efficiency (GDE, muffler) of this engine, all for right around $1k total? I'm pretty much done, this baby is ready to drive until the doors fall off.... I am completely satisfied, and I pull down 40% more mpgs than a gasser KJ - yep, I have a green thumb; this is the most important factor for me.

Now, lets turn the mirror around. You invested how much in an SFA conversion to make your KJ have better offroading capabilities (I would've bought a different Jeep if I really wanted to go offroad)... and now you're investing how much $$$ so that you can have unnecessary amounts of power for something with such a short wheel base? Some CRD owners regularly tow 6k-7k lbs (yea, the weight of your KJ, which you claim our engine wouldn't handle well on its own) and I wouldn't ever want to tow more than that with something this small - that's why I sold my old Cummins.

I'm glad you enjoy your KJ, but let's not attack CRD owners for the minor moding they do in order to get their vehicles up to whatever their personal requirements are - for me: minor offroading, great towing, great mpg - when you're dropping thousands to make your gasser fit your requirements... I bought my CRD knowing that, for a small investment, it could be the perfect vehicle for my needs - it is, and there is nothing else quite like it in my price range. If I wanted insane offroading, I would've gone for a different Jeep; if I wanted insane towing, I would've kept my Cummins.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:10 pm

stoutdog wrote:

Still saying to each their own.... but, seriously, tjkj, you got this all started by critiquing me for the couple hundred dollars worth of mods that I did to increase the durability (Samcos, Fuel Filter Head, GDE) and efficiency (GDE, muffler) of this engine, all for right around $1k total? I'm pretty much done, this baby is ready to drive until the doors fall off.... I am completely satisfied, and I pull down 40% more mpgs than a gasser KJ - yep, I have a green thumb; this is the most important factor for me.

Now, lets turn the mirror around. You invested how much in an SFA conversion to make your KJ have better offroading capabilities (I would've bought a different Jeep if I really wanted to go offroad)... and now you're investing how much $$$ so that you can have unnecessary amounts of power for something with such a short wheel base? Some CRD owners regularly tow 6k-7k lbs (yea, the weight of your KJ, which you claim our engine wouldn't handle well on its own) and I wouldn't ever want to tow more than that with something this small - that's why I sold my old Cummins.

I'm glad you enjoy your KJ, but let's not attack CRD owners for the minor moding they do in order to get their vehicles up to whatever their personal requirements are - for me: minor offroading, great towing, great mpg - when you're dropping thousands to make your gasser fit your requirements... I bought my CRD knowing that, for a small investment, it could be the perfect vehicle for my needs - it is, and there is nothing else quite like it in my price range. If I wanted insane offroading, I would've gone for a different Jeep; if I wanted insane towing, I would've kept my Cummins.

A small diesel is just not as reliable(yet),sorry to say but those mods you all do is to keep the dang thing running,I can read and scanned the CRD section.You need this mod so this doesn't happen,then you need this mod to keep this part from breaking.It's all in clear(well most of the time) English in this section.Don't start with the VW TDI's,there junk,can't keep a cam in them to save there lives,and yes I've seen it with my own eyes on a few that I've had to diagnose.Every vehicle has it's problems,can't get away from that and from experience from turning wrenches professionally for 13+ years I know what vehicles to stay away from.

As far as using a different Jeep to wheel with,well I actually hate Wranglers,everyone and there dog has one and a 10 year old girl can mod one.No thinking or effort required.I like a challenge and being different.Beside for what I want in a vehicle would have still cost the same amount of money to do on a Wrangler,and it was much more fun to do it on a KJ though.

stoutdog · **Posted:** Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:41 pm

For every CRD owner on here with recurring problems, there are plenty members that operate without issue... and, I'm sure, many more that never come on the board.

As you said, no vehicle is perfect. After a little work, mine runs wonderfully. :JEEPIN:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:49 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

I hope you're swapping in a BIG V8....otherwise you are doing yourself no good. My CRD makes the same torque as a 5.7L Hemi of the same model year....only I'm making that torque at 1,800 RPM. :mrgreen:

And the Hemi has to absolutely screem to make that torque.

Did I mention that at the same time, I can tow a 3.5 ton trailer and get the same MPGs as that Hemi will get running empty? Good luck.

347 cubic inch V8,will be putting out at least 440lbs-ft of torque from 1500-4000rpms(6000rpm redline),should have a peak torque of somewhere around 490-510lbs-ft.More then you CRD will ever make for half the cost.If I want to go wild I can easily build a SB 408 Ford with well over 650lbs-ft of torque for the same price as the 2.8 CRD engine.All on pump gas and less polluting to boot.

Oh and those 5.7's are not even close to a HEMI,just the name is all they have in common with a real HEMI.The 3.7/4.7 are more of a HEMI then the so-called HEMI's are.

440 lb./ft. at 1,500 RPM from a gasser? :ROTFL:

Whatever man.

The comment about small diesels serving no real purpose... a pump gas V8 built to drink fuel like it's going out of style and only do one thing well is the true definition of an engine that serves no real purpose. :SOMBRERO:

fastRob · **Posted:** Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:57 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

A small diesel is just not as reliable(yet),sorry to say but those mods you all do is to keep the dang thing running,I can read and scanned the CRD section.You need this mod so this doesn't happen,then you need this mod to keep this part from breaking.It's all in clear(well most of the time) English in this section.Don't start with the VW TDI's,there junk,can't keep a cam in them to save there lives,and yes I've seen it with my own eyes on a few that I've had to diagnose.Every vehicle has it's problems,can't get away from that and from experience from turning wrenches professionally for 13+ years I know what vehicles to stay away from.

As far as using a different Jeep to wheel with,well I actually hate Wranglers,everyone and there dog has one and a 10 year old girl can mod one.No thinking or effort required.I like a challenge and being different.Beside for what I want in a vehicle would have still cost the same amount of money to do on a Wrangler,and it was much more fun to do it on a KJ though.

TJKJ2002, I love having you around. Your opinions are great. Your biases and prejudices are wide open for all to see, like mine. My dream would be a (St)Wrangler Unlimited with the new generation diesel in 6 speed automatic. Something so simple that my young girlfriend could fix and mod up for me. When she gets home from work at the burger factory, she can bring home and blend up some bio-D to put in my StWrangler tank. Of course, being the gentleman that I am, she would be driving my ol' chick car the CRD Liberty, which I must say with that new GDE Hot Flash, is purring like a sex kitten. Please stick around TKJK2002, we need your great humor.

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