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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:56 pm 
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"The Cummins straight-six diesel is still planned for future Rams and is to be coupled to the eight-speed automatic in 2011 or 2012; expect a power boost in mid-2011. Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway. The 4.2 liter Cummins V6 (190 hp, over 400 lb-ft) and a 5.0-liter Cummins V8 diesel are believed to still be in progress, but may have been dropped as they were reportedly unable to pass emissions (according to “MoparNorm” and others). The 4.5 Cummins QSB four cylinder is rumored to have high power but again, emissions are an issue for US sale. A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler."

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:01 am 
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dieselenthusiast wrote:
"The Cummins straight-six diesel is still planned for future Rams and is to be coupled to the eight-speed automatic in 2011 or 2012; expect a power boost in mid-2011. Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway. The 4.2 liter Cummins V6 (190 hp, over 400 lb-ft) and a 5.0-liter Cummins V8 diesel are believed to still be in progress, but may have been dropped as they were reportedly unable to pass emissions (according to “MoparNorm” and others). The 4.5 Cummins QSB four cylinder is rumored to have high power but again, emissions are an issue for US sale. A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler."

Read more at http://www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.ht ... ck=kcplink


The US Diesel market is being strangled by Statist Junk Science generated regulations. One of the regulations in the works is having a DPF and a Gasoline equivalent on all cars and trucks to catch 2.5 micro-meter (micron) particulates. I upgraded my filter to a 2 micron Racor, to lengthen the life of my CP3 and injectors. Just think at 2.5 micro-meters, the Exhaust will need to be filtered finer than the air coming into most of the engines and finer than most fuel filters.
What we need is a Class Action Lawsuit against the EPA/CARB to put their never ending advancement of regulations in check, any Blood Thirsty Lawyers out there when we need you?

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:51 am 
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This makes me mad. I would LOVE to see some more diesel mopar cars. How much fun would a 2.8l diesel turbo charged neon be? Anyone?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:33 am 
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This makes me mad. I would LOVE to see some more diesel mopar cars. How much fun would a 2.8l diesel turbo charged neon be? Anyone?

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You would need stronger springs in the front, raise the hood and add some sand bags to the trunk so you don't do wheelies when you stop :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:08 pm 
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People need to lobby their congressmen and senators concerning the future of diesel engines in America. I can't believe this country is so easily misled. Europe is leading the way and America is allowing a greedy, powerful minority to control our politicians concerning the diesels. We need to stop this. The oil industry doesn't want diesel engines (diesel fuel). Diesel fuel is far cheaper to make than gasoline. That's the simple reason there's not more diesel engines in this country. It's all about profit for the corporations. They don't give a darn about America.


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We would need just a few more people to speak out and a few bucks than what we have here.

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warp2diesel wrote:
dieselenthusiast wrote:
"The Cummins straight-six diesel is still planned for future Rams and is to be coupled to the eight-speed automatic in 2011 or 2012; expect a power boost in mid-2011. Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway. The 4.2 liter Cummins V6 (190 hp, over 400 lb-ft) and a 5.0-liter Cummins V8 diesel are believed to still be in progress, but may have been dropped as they were reportedly unable to pass emissions (according to “MoparNorm” and others). The 4.5 Cummins QSB four cylinder is rumored to have high power but again, emissions are an issue for US sale. A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler."

Read more at http://www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.ht ... ck=kcplink


The US Diesel market is being strangled by Statist Junk Science generated regulations. One of the regulations in the works is having a DPF and a Gasoline equivalent on all cars and trucks to catch 2.5 micro-meter (micron) particulates. I upgraded my filter to a 2 micron Racor, to lengthen the life of my CP3 and injectors. Just think at 2.5 micro-meters, the Exhaust will need to be filtered finer than the air coming into most of the engines and finer than most fuel filters.
What we need is a Class Action Lawsuit against the EPA/CARB to put their never ending advancement of regulations in check, any Blood Thirsty Lawyers out there when we need you?

Despite your belief that some liberal environmentalist movement is behind the "Statist Junk Science", whatever "Statist" means, the power behind the dearth of diesels in America is the auto industry in cahoots with the oil producers to keep European competition out of the American market.

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Oh. And, :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:08 am 
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AZ CRD wrote:
warp2diesel wrote:
dieselenthusiast wrote:
"The Cummins straight-six diesel is still planned for future Rams and is to be coupled to the eight-speed automatic in 2011 or 2012; expect a power boost in mid-2011. Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway. The 4.2 liter Cummins V6 (190 hp, over 400 lb-ft) and a 5.0-liter Cummins V8 diesel are believed to still be in progress, but may have been dropped as they were reportedly unable to pass emissions (according to “MoparNorm” and others). The 4.5 Cummins QSB four cylinder is rumored to have high power but again, emissions are an issue for US sale. A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler."

Read more at http://www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.ht ... ck=kcplink


The US Diesel market is being strangled by Statist Junk Science generated regulations. One of the regulations in the works is having a DPF and a Gasoline equivalent on all cars and trucks to catch 2.5 micro-meter (micron) particulates. I upgraded my filter to a 2 micron Racor, to lengthen the life of my CP3 and injectors. Just think at 2.5 micro-meters, the Exhaust will need to be filtered finer than the air coming into most of the engines and finer than most fuel filters.
What we need is a Class Action Lawsuit against the EPA/CARB to put their never ending advancement of regulations in check, any Blood Thirsty Lawyers out there when we need you?

Despite your belief that some liberal environmentalist movement is behind the "Statist Junk Science", whatever "Statist" means, the power behind the dearth of diesels in America is the auto industry in cahoots with the oil producers to keep European competition out of the American market.



Hello, Im driving a VW TDI Jetta that gets 60+ MPG. VW Audi and BMW offer diesel vehicles for sale in the US today!!! If they can do it why cant/wont US manufacturers?????

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:45 am 
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I do not think that diesel has to be the answer. I would prefer it but it's just me.

Strap on a turbo and directly inject any small displacement engine, even make it a vgt, you'll get good mpg.
Turbos cost money, but our technology has increased dramatically in the reliability department, direct injection is coming to gassers and has been for a while.
The fuel it'self is only part of the story.

As for carb, they are insane, their time will come, soon. The trucking and heavy equipment industries in California are slowly and surely fighting back.

Did you know that carb is pushing for even more legislation, even though our measured "pollution" levels are significantly under the best case projections and goals for 2020? Yet they continue to badger the industry.

My professors at College have said for a while now that carb assumes the source of atmospheric particulate is from diesel emissions however a large quantity of the emissions are from braking systems. I should add that said professor once worked for carb, worked on created the calibration procedures that they still use for monitoring equipment.

The new legislations require the exhaust coming out of a diesel engine be cleaner than the atmospheric charge going into it.

What is the ultimate goal of carb? They seem to be obsessed with power, their sole existence at this point is to attempt to grab more power through their legislation.
This opinion is derived by simple observation.

I'm glad we have the laws that we do, most of them are reasonable, but not all of them, and these are nuts.

It costs LOTS money to have products approved and tested by carb. You cant do business without going through them. You are subject to them, and did not vote for them.
Carb spends money wooing legislators who know nothing of IC engines or industry needs, money gained by their stronghold on "enforcement".

Through proxy if not directly, this is taxation without representation. Product designers and manufactures have to make products to carb standards requiring millions of dollars for carb testing. This increases the costs of design and also, directly the costs of operation. (for instance a dpf regen on a ems vehicle that has to be stationary while regen occurs or the vehicle will be rendered inoperable by onboard electronics, thus downing the ems vehicle. Ems does not respond in a timely fashion, someone dies, city sued, etc etc this has happened) What about cold weather operation? Because of dpf and regen cycles on current hd truck design, the dpf must be physically removed and heated in specially designed machines in order to put the machine back into operation, this takes a day or more, and labor.

In extreme cold weather modern trucks can not reroute the intake charge to avoid the charge air cooler, and thus can not operate in a normal temp range. They cant regen. They run way to cool and produce increased levels of nox and hc, are less efficient and burn more fuel. it goes on and on. This is BEYOND public health. Said vehicles have to be taking out of duty. This is AFTER Carb has forced the industry to BUY these same engiens with the dpf systems. They cant afford to buy new trucks and have them sit there doing nothing.

And for gods sake do not even look into the diesel egr fiasco. Much less the ULSD lack of lubricity. And turn a blind eye to the CJ4 oil formulations. Lets ignore all of this.
Lets freak out about a 2.5 micron particle of what could be a unburnt hydrocarbon chain, that may have at one point in it's life resided in the fuel tank of a diesel truck.

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:23 am 
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I have been in San Jose, CA this week. The out door air is cleaner than the air in my hotel rooms.
Like other Government agencies have in the past both EPA and CARB are out of control and need to only enforce rules and regulations that are truly needed so we have clean air and water. Removing particulates from exhaust that are finer than what can safely go through our engines, is totally stupid and insane. Removing minerals from our drinking water that are added to our food or multi-vitamins is stupid and insane. Following the recommendations of Professors who are on the doll for grant money to bloviate their theories that turn out to be Junk Science.
Remember the Waco BATF screw up? After that, BATF got under control.
Remember the FBI screw up at Ruby Ridge? After that and a few other screw ups. the FBI got under control.
Time is coming for CARB, EPA, and with what is coming down the pike from the 2000+ page document (PM me if you don't know what it is) shoved through Congress that will even require the fuel station to issue a IRS-1099 to truckers filling up their tanks, the IRS will be under fire.

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Anyone thing the EPA and CARB don't fit the definition.

When it cones to cars, trucks and SUVs, I will buy what I want, if the US auto industry is to stupid to sell it, I will buy it elsewhere. If they produce what I want like my CRD, I will buy it.

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 Post subject: Re: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep future Diesels
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:40 am 
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Good write up CRD...
But might I add a wee bit ?
I live in the State where NOTHING is allowed (MN) and yours is where ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is allowed. The once mighty USA is rapidly if not already becoming a composite of nothing + absolutely nothing. The world market for US vehicles is flying out of control. China and India alone is like the 1960's, everybody wants a car. China has been building highways and roads like we, USED to. The US car mfgrs are and have targeted the rest of world market. The USA is the, "write off expense". Yup, they lose money here, profits are WAY down, here. What isn't revealed is overseas profits. Not once during the, "woe is me" trials did anyone ask the bailout-beggars what the overseas profits were. If so, I missed it. The car boy's and girl's throw a few crumbs our way sure, but jussssssssst enough to keep a toe in the running. Our illustrious leaders and do-gooders have
regulated the industrial creativity right out of the USA car/truck market. Will that or could that change by lobbying our leaders ? Never say never ??? I'm not as optimistic as I once was. We (USA) are write-off. The market creativity and efforts go where the profits are.
Just a humble Carpenters observatons. :wink:

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