New Lift Kit to replace RRO OTT

AJAY · **Posted:** Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:59 am

Wilmo
I am not unreasonable NOR 1% of the a-holes you mention. Thanx for the reply & have nice day!!

skogsemt · **Posted:** Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:32 pm

Regardless of what kind of letter he sent to them- that is a crappy reply! Very poor business practices if that is how the customer service department handles a situation! I wish you the best of luck AJAY...

AJAY · **Posted:** Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:13 pm

Thank you all for your support. I do not want to cause any friction between those who applaud RRO & those who do not(myself). Just an FYI...I have called RRO several times about this problem..I've posted my their response SEVERAL times on this forum.
The letters I've written to RRO expressed my frustration,helplessness followed by anger. I felt there was no need to post the(letters) on this forum for not to offend others who are in support of RRO. In frustration I posted the same responses I get when I call for help!! This matter has cost me hundreds of dollars to rectify the problem,which STILL has not been solved. Today, I discovered a 4WD shop near my home...it's called Grizzly 4WD Center in Madison, NJ. The owner & techs were very sympathetic to my TRUTHFUL issues. My KJ is scheduled for a solution this Friday(17th).

See Below quotes from Mr. "WILMO"

1) Maybe he was being a-bit demanding
AJAY: P.S. I'm a female!! :idea:

2) I still think they speak the truth though - they are just setting an expectation up front - we will help you, but if you are unreasonable, we won't! AJAY: UNREASONABLE?? :roll:

3) It probably saves them hours of time from people that waste their time otherwise with complaints that they can just never rectify within reason. AJAY: People that waste THEIR time???? Hmmm..??? Oh yea, I'm just sum dum chick! Okay, "MATE"

YES!! This my frustration with people like this person who JUST DONT GET IT!! :evil:

Wilmo · **Posted:** Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:35 pm

AJAY wrote:

Thank you all for your support. I do not want to cause any friction between those who applaud RRO & those who do not(myself). Just an FYI...I have called RRO several times about this problem..I've posted my their response SEVERAL times on this forum.
The letters I've written to RRO expressed my frustration,helplessness followed by anger. I felt there was no need to post the(letters) on this forum for not to offend others who are in support of RRO. In frustration I posted the same responses I get when I call for help!! This matter has cost me hundreds of dollars to rectify the problem,which STILL has not been solved. Today, I discovered a 4WD shop near my home...it's called Grizzly 4WD Center in Madison, NJ. The owner & techs were very sympathetic to my TRUTHFUL issues. My KJ is scheduled for a solution this Friday(17th).

See Below quotes from Mr. "WILMO"

1) Maybe he was being a-bit demanding
AJAY: P.S. I'm a female!! :idea:

2) I still think they speak the truth though - they are just setting an expectation up front - we will help you, but if you are unreasonable, we won't! AJAY: UNREASONABLE?? :roll:

3) It probably saves them hours of time from people that waste their time otherwise with complaints that they can just never rectify within reason. AJAY: People that waste THEIR time???? Hmmm..??? Oh yea, I'm just sum dum chick! Okay, "MATE"

YES!! This my frustration with people like this person who JUST DONT GET IT!! :evil:

Sheesh - lighten up.....this is the Internet! Aren't you Americans the champions of freedom of speech? Didn't know you were a woman, sorry, explains a lot though given the response above.....you girls sure seem to make mountains out of molehills sometimes.

As I wrote in the PM I sent you, it all comes down to who installed this kit - its not RRO's fault if its not installed correctly and the the camber isn't adjusted correctly.

Good luck with getting it sorted at Grizzly 4WD!

FreedomKJ · **Posted:** Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:24 pm

AJAY and Wilmo: That's enough trash-talking on the forums. Please drop the issue, or at the very least keep it to private messages and not here. Personal attacks are not OK on the L.O.S.T board.

Can't we all just get along?

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:20 am

Wilmo wrote:

and..... the Frankenlift has an extrodinary strong following on this board.....but I reckon there's going to be several people with stuffed CV joints before too long looking at the angles of the front after a new frankenlift is installed. Of course you will probably never hear of the complaints, cause no one wants to tarnish the image of the all mighty, all singing and dancing 'Frankenlift' - everyone just wants to brag they have one.

The look of the front Frankenlift looks weird too in my opinion - the front ends up an inch higher than the rear when you use the OME rear springs with their kit.....when you load up your KJ its dragging its arse big time. The front under diff clearance is then way more than the rear is ever going to be - why you need that much clearance is anyone's guess.....unless you want to put huge tyres on, which look stupid too on a KJ.

My 2 cents....

All-J knows what they are doing when it comes to lifting the the KJ better than anyone else because they've dealt with so many lifts and so many KJs. They have a huge following in Cali that they obviously won't let down, along with the rest of L.O.S.T. If they were starting to sell a product that has problems down the road, I'm sure they would take care of it in-full just to save their reputation and business with us. More than one person has tried to 'tarnish' the name Frankenlift, but the members of this board got to the bottom of it. The last guy didn't even have a full Frankenlift, just certain parts of it (read: introduced variables), and he started saying how jacked up his KJ was before he said "oh yeh, I have only about 1/3 of the normal Frankenlift everyone else has". And what was his problem? I think it ended up being HIS Old-Man Emu struts (read: NOT Frankenlift). I don't think anyone here should/would have a problem bringing up issues with the Frankenlift, as no one is going to flame them or anything as long as they don't go into a mis-informed rage with the purpose of "tarnishing the name" :roll:

The weird angle we see of many freshly-Frankenlifted KJs is due to All-J's switching to OME springs in the rear instead of Skyjacker. I got my Frankenlift just before this switch, and the Skyjacker coils bring the rear to what looks even with the front.

Wilmo · **Posted:** Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:57 am

RespectMyLibertay wrote:

All-J knows what they are doing when it comes to lifting the the KJ better than anyone else because they've dealt with so many lifts and so many KJs. They have a huge following in Cali that they obviously won't let down, along with the rest of L.O.S.T. If they were starting to sell a product that has problems down the road, I'm sure they would take care of it in-full just to save their reputation and business with us. More than one person has tried to 'tarnish' the name Frankenlift, but the members of this board got to the bottom of it. The last guy didn't even have a full Frankenlift, just certain parts of it (read: introduced variables), and he started saying how jacked up his KJ was before he said "oh yeh, I have only about 1/3 of the normal Frankenlift everyone else has". And what was his problem? I think it ended up being HIS Old-Man Emu struts (read: NOT Frankenlift). I don't think anyone here should/would have a problem bringing up issues with the Frankenlift, as no one is going to flame them or anything as long as they don't go into a mis-informed rage with the purpose of "tarnishing the name" :roll:

The weird angle we see of many freshly-Frankenlifted KJs is due to All-J's switching to OME springs in the rear instead of Skyjacker. I got my Frankenlift just before this switch, and the Skyjacker coils bring the rear to what looks even with the front.

Yes, correct....but it still looks weird with the front higher than the rear, and I'm not the only one to post my view that the front CV angles look 'stressed' to say the least.

I don't appreciate the implication that I'm deliberately tarnishing the image of Al-J's, that's not the case......what I post is all factual - just read the posts on this board.

WV(0)IIIIIII(0) · **Posted:** Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:49 am

Lets all just purchase a skyjacker and be happy :shock:

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:30 am

I wasn't implying that you were "tarnishing the name", I was simply reusing your phrase, which I happened to like. Some people tend to try and trash-talk a lift and/or it's company before they trouble-shoot through installing it, and this is why I said some people try to tarnish a name...before they even present always-relevant fact.

I will never reuse any of your phrases, ever again

KJNick · **Joined:** Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:00 pm **Posts:** 56

I'm just curios from an engineering viewpoint what it is about the OTT lift that's hard on the suspension & steering. I understand that by adding the OTT spacer you've effectively lengthened the strut causing contact between the upper A arm & the spring. This would side load the strut, which is not normal. The clevis will adjust for any misalignment in the strut caused by extending the upper mount, so that doesn't induce any unnatural side loads. Where's the bump stops on the front? Does this kit allow the strut to bottom out heavily on extension or compression? The steering attach points are no different between any other lift and the OTT so I can't see how that would potentially damage the steering any more than the others. Also, the CV joint angles won't be any different for any other 2.5" lift.

As an engineer, I've been wondering about this and would be interested in some more insight to this problem.

sqliberty · **Joined:** Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:08 pm **Posts:** 207

I had the OTT on mine and it was ok for about 11 months, then is started making noise and it rode like an old cadillac. I also read this kit had caused problems and decided to go with the RockfatherII. What a difference.It actually sits about an inch taller now and drives great.I asked RRO if they ever got complaints on the OTT kit and they told me never. I find that hard to believe. I did notice that on the RRO website the OTT kit is not promoted as well, It is now called the budget lift kit.

JeepinMaxx · **Posted:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:21 pm

FL RENNY · **Joined:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:30 pm **Posts:** 458

HEY SQ... I see a few people saying that they got rid of their RRO OTT and actually sit about an inch higher? I ahve the RRO OTT lift, and I see you have an '02, but I have an '04...I see eveyone saying stuff about "pre-lowered" but I have never read about all that so I dont know what's going on there? How high does your front fender (wheel well) sit now with the Rock Father? If getting a spring lift will lift me another inch then I'll get that and thrown some 33's on my Renny. Do you think you got the extra inch from RockFather Specifically? Do you think that the Frakenlift, Skyjacker, or Rusty's Spring Lift would do the same? My front fender is barely over 36" right now and another inch and some 33's would really make me happy. Thanks for the info...

sqliberty · **Joined:** Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:08 pm **Posts:** 207

I will have to measure that for you. at what piont are you measuring, so I can do the same. After 02 they lowered them an inch I think. I ordered the HD(heavy duty) coils with my lift, I think you can do the same with Frankenlift.

FL RENNY · **Joined:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:30 pm **Posts:** 458

Measuring from the middle of the fender above the front wheel. If what you say is tru, then my Renny is actually sitting an inch lower than it could be....hmmm... I wonder if I swap out for a spring kit if my axels are going to be on that dangerous angle everyone talks about. I need to take some pics of the angle it's at righ now and see what everyone thinks.....

Mutt · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:43 pm

Renny,

Read this, it should clear things up for you:

http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift_faq.htm

Heather · **Posted:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:19 pm

sqliberty wrote:

I ordered the HD(heavy duty) coils with my lift, I think you can do the same with Frankenlift.

Just to clarify.... ALL Frankenlifts come STANDARD with the H/D coils. We will switch them from H/D to medium only if our customer REQUESTS them to be medium. Otherwise, they all come STANDARD with H/D coils.

Sorry...just had to jump in here because I see a lot of posts regarding this and I get a lot of calls asking if the Frankenlift can be upgraded with H/D coils, when in fact they come standard.

(Did I reiterate that enough times???) :wink:

CaKJFreedom · **Posted:** Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:20 am

But what can you tell us about the coils?
(couldn't help myself)

FL RENNY · **Joined:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:30 pm **Posts:** 458

Thanks MUTT that helped a lot...grrr another inch would be nice lol

DispatchedKJ · **Posted:** Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:52 pm

I have the rockfather 2 and I have started to hear an odd noise coming from the driver side. It sounds similar to what other people have heard. At full drop the upper arm will contact the spring with a loud twang, which as I have read is not good for long term joint health. Ajay, I'd like to know what that shops says is wrong with yours as I might be having the same issue. I have pics of my lift components on my cardomain site so take a look at them if you want. I am not sure what comes with the OTT setup but the 1/4 inch plates that came with mine sound like what others have mentioned as being the source of the problem by making the struts too long? I thought the replacement struts would be compensated for the longer travel? Anyway, thanks.

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