What Oil to Choose

drinkNfight · **Posted:** Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:54 pm

how much difference is there between the oils? like royal purple vs whoevers full synthetic? I change mine every 4-5k. most the time it is max life but I was just wondering. some guy brought this stuff into the shop today which I guess is another option. tailored oil??http://www.bndautomotive.com/page/page/929427.htm

jola · **Joined:** Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:23 pm **Posts:** 29

I use Valvoline Conventional but I am very curious about the NextGen oil. I'm wary as well, so for this next change I will probably stick with conventional again. Since I'm reading that it is less energy intensive to re-refine used oil than it is to drill for and refine crude, I'm assuming its cheaper. Not really a deciding factor but it is a bonus.

67Customs · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:41 pm

jola wrote:

I use Valvoline Conventional but I am very curious about the NextGen oil. I'm wary as well, so for this next change I will probably stick with conventional again. Since I'm reading that it is less energy intensive to re-refine used oil than it is to drill for and refine crude, I'm assuming its cheaper. Not really a deciding factor but it is a bonus.

NextGen is as good as the conventional. It is less energy intensive to re-refine used oil because it doesn't need as much refining as crude. Not because they don't refine it as much. If I used conventional oil, I would totally use NextGen. My brother is switching to it in his KJ.

In fact, when they come out with the NextGen synthetic, I'm switching to it from Mobil 1. I love the idea of using recycled oil that performs as good as the stuff that is refined from crude.

BTW, it is the same price as regular conventional. Although it doesn't take as much refinement, they still have to have avenues set up to collect and process the used oil.

I suggest you check out the Q&A on the Valvoline's website if you really want to know more about it.

hooperswish · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2011 8:44 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

liquidxit2 wrote:

I have been called crazy for doing synthetic changes once every 3000, but I always say to each their own.

I do to as oil is much cheaper then an engine.

Why don't you just give that extra wasted money to charity? Changing synthetic at 3000 miles is not only extremely wasteful of natural resources, it is just plain idiotic. Get a used oil analysis and quit throwing money away. Todays syn will easily go 6000 (of course it depends on your driving habits).
You are brain washed and you need to rethink the 3000 change. Modern oils, including dino, are just too good.
In fact, just send the money to me.... :dizzy:

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2011 9:31 am

hooperswish wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

liquidxit2 wrote:

I have been called crazy for doing synthetic changes once every 3000, but I always say to each their own.

I do to as oil is much cheaper then an engine.

Why don't you just give that extra wasted money to charity? Changing synthetic at 3000 miles is not only extremely wasteful of natural resources, it is just plain idiotic. Get a used oil analysis and quit throwing money away. Todays syn will easily go 6000 (of course it depends on your driving habits).
You are brain washed and you need to rethink the 3000 change. Modern oils, including dino, are just too good.
In fact, just send the money to me.... :dizzy:

Well that's your opinion. As for wasting resources well I recycle all of my used oil so it gets reused and could be running in your kj for all we know. As for a waste, well that's just not true. Changing every 3000 miles isn't a waste or an act of brainwashing, rather its maintenance at its finest especially after what I have seen in the field.

brettacuff · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2011 10:45 am

Anybody use FRAM filters? thats what I've always used.

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Sun May 01, 2011 2:25 pm

No. their high end filters are OK, but still I prefer premium purolator, mobile 1.

hooperswish · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 10:31 am

Why don't you just give that extra wasted money to charity? Changing synthetic at 3000 miles is not only extremely wasteful of natural resources, it is just plain idiotic. Get a used oil analysis and quit throwing money away. Todays syn will easily go 6000 (of course it depends on your driving habits).
You are brain washed and you need to rethink the 3000 change. Modern oils, including dino, are just too good.
In fact, just send the money to me.... :dizzy:

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Well that's your opinion. As for wasting resources well I recycle all of my used oil so it gets reused and could be running in your kj for all we know. As for a waste, well that's just not true. Changing every 3000 miles isn't a waste or an act of brainwashing, rather its maintenance at its finest especially after what I have seen in the field.[/quote]

Well, I guess you could go around wearing two pairs of underwear just in case you s$%# yourself...

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:45 pm

Or I could spend an extra $60 a year and continue to recycle my oil like I do. Its not a waste of resources since the oil goes right back to companies who turn it into such products as the nextgen marketing scheme. Filters get crushed and recycled too. So I guess Im failing to see how $60 is a waste for peace of mind?

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 2:29 pm

hooperswish wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

liquidxit2 wrote:

I have been called crazy for doing synthetic changes once every 3000, but I always say to each their own.

I do to as oil is much cheaper then an engine.

Why don't you just give that extra wasted money to charity? Changing synthetic at 3000 miles is not only extremely wasteful of natural resources, it is just plain idiotic. Get a used oil analysis and quit throwing money away. Todays syn will easily go 6000 (of course it depends on your driving habits).
You are brain washed and you need to rethink the 3000 change. Modern oils, including dino, are just too good.
In fact, just send the money to me.... :dizzy:

My driving habits warrent 3000mile OCI's,plus it will be a cold day in h*ll before letting my KJ go past 3001 miles on the same engine oil.It cost's me a whole $12 when all said and done to change the oil in my KJ using Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil and Mobil 1 filter,and takes me almost 5 months to reach 3k so $24 a year is cheaper then one of your oil changes.Heck I'd have to change the oil at the same rate anyways as oil has a "shelf life" when in a engine.

Plus the world is running out of oil,going to use more then my far share of it before it's gone :mrgreen:

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brettacuff · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 9:37 pm

We have 40-90 years of oil left on earth if we keep using it at the alarming rate that we do. That means before I'm dead, if we still use oil like we are, I won't have a KJ. I will probably have a Nissan Leaf!!! :grim:

Not good. So I do think it's a little crazy that people change full synthetic every 3000 miles. This is part of the reason I will be using NextGen Max Life.

Although I am not even close to 100% eco-friendly, I am aware of the ridiculous amount of waste that we produce every day. So do your part and Reduce your consumption and Recycle that oil (I wouldn't reccomend reusing it, lol).

If we wish to keep running these gas guzzlers around we gotta keep in mind that Oil is a nonrenewable resource. So be smart about it please, for the sake of everone!

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 11:50 pm

The oil is recycled!!!! Meaning it gets redone and reused! Which also means I'm not contributing to oil waste as much. :banghead:

Oh and not to get political and all but that limit is only because we rely on a certain part of the world for oil. We have tons under our own soil. Besides 40 years from now we should be using a different fuel.

brettacuff · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 8:11 am

At the rate were researching alternative fuels were going to have a major problem...

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 10:19 am

I agree the 3000 mile oil change is over kill for alot of drivers. It depends on your use and the product you put in. I use Rotella T6 in my CRD I was changing it every 6,200 miles. I got a used oil analyisis that told me I could extent that to 8000 miles safely. I don't know if I will see how far I can push it but I'm going to not be out changing it before 6,201 miles on the oil next time. I am going to run it a bit longer.

And yes we do need to conserve where we can. the oil in the ground may be in more places than we looked but its not renewable. when its gone its gone. we are not implimenting renewables fast enough. Not to say we don't have good renewable fuel now. We have Bio Diesel that can be made from many fats. We have ethonal, which takes more energy to make than bio D but its still renewable. sure both produce CO2 same as fossil fuels but the CO2 from bio was taken out of the environment buy the plants used to grow it and will be again when the crops are grown to make more. with fossil you are releasing co2 that has been out of the air and locked up for millions of years.

not that that I am a big tree hugger but you all should watch the fuel film.

brettacuff · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 9:49 pm

Problem with Ethanol is it isn't as fuel efficient and if made from corn, the price of food will rise dramatically. If it's farmed like crazy, it will create massive land disruption. There's no easy way around it. Bio Deisel is pretty awesome though!

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2011 10:12 pm

While Ill agree for an average driver that my routine might be overkill, but I work my KJ hard and Im always hauling stuff and frequently at max capacity so its extra peace of mind for how hard I work my KJ.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Thu May 05, 2011 9:23 am

brettacuff wrote:

Problem with Ethanol is it isn't as fuel efficient and if made from corn, the price of food will rise dramatically. If it's farmed like crazy, it will create massive land disruption. There's no easy way around it. Bio Diesel is pretty awesome though!

yeah Ethanol has some issues, not being as energy dense as gas it don't provide the same economy. I can be made from non food crops. Brazil uses parts of the sugar cane to make it. There is the Mega Flora tree that grows in sub standard soil to maturity in 3 years that can be cut and fermented to Ethanol. A new tree grows from the trunk too. If a seed crop is planted in rows between it you can get bio diesel out of the same land. Ethanol also absorbs water and can't be sent by pipeline, it has to be shipped by train or truck tankers. This increases the cost and energy to get it to market.

Bio Diesel is cheaper to make easier to transport being nearly non toxic. It's more energy dense than Ethanol and can be made from waste cooking oils, waste fats from food processing and other crops some that are not food competing. I think it is a better choice and wish it was easier to buy and use like it is or was in places like Germany. Best part is bio diesel can be used in most diesel engines with out changes.

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Fri May 06, 2011 1:11 pm

Way off topic. With respect to the question, some engines require synthetic oil! My 2001 TDI Jetta and CRD KJ require synthetic oil. My 1984 Toyota 2.4 liter 2L diesel toyota does not. I use Amsoil synthetic and Amsoil filters and I change between 3000 and 5000 miles depending on how many months of time has passed.

brettacuff · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 10:14 am

liquidxit2 wrote:

While Ill agree for an average driver that my routine might be overkill, but I work my KJ hard and Im always hauling stuff and frequently at max capacity so its extra peace of mind for how hard I work my KJ.

That's understandable.

liquidxit2 · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 11:57 am

brettacuff wrote:

liquidxit2 wrote:

While Ill agree for an average driver that my routine might be overkill, but I work my KJ hard and Im always hauling stuff and frequently at max capacity so its extra peace of mind for how hard I work my KJ.

That's understandable.

My wifes honda crv is the average daily driver car and we follow the maintenance schedule to a "T". We use dino oil and filters (bought it with too many miles to switch to synthetic comfortably) every 5k like the book recomends. Our jeeps have 2 plans severe (3000 incriments) and not so severe. I follow the severe schedule to a "T" just like I do for the honda, just instead of paying 30-40 for a normal dino oil change I pay 30 for a full synthetic parts and do the change myself. Not much difference then a standard driver following the severe schedule, just that I use synthetic.

But yes for the average driver 3k dino oil changes are just fine.

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