Possibly NO Liberty CRD for 2007. Comments Anyone?

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:38 pm

Just pulled this off of another forum and would like to see some good discussion over here since we have so many actual owners with good experience in this forum. I'm not sure if this is true, or not:

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DCX WILL NOT MAKE A LIBERTY CRD FOR 2007! My dealer informed me after going to some Owner/dealer meeting at DCX that there will not be a diesel for the 2007 liberty.
I asked what does this mean for resale value. He said it might be there will be a demand for the diesel as used, but it may turn out the other way, they could mean less of a resale value.
I am not a happy camper! I like the CRD, I just hate it that those of us who bought a CRD were/are a test market, and we paid dearly to be the test market!
I called DCX at 1-800-992-9997 and they would not confirm or say it was not true.
It seems like those 2005 CRD's sitting on dealers lots are proof that there is a reason for them being there. I think until this week here in Missouri diesel fuel has been much higher than gasoline. However as of yesterday the difference between the two fuels is one penny, $2.529 for gas, and $2.539 for diesel.
If some of you who did not buy an extended Service Contract, especially the 2006 CRD with only 3 years or 36,000 miles, you just might want to reconsider that issue.
However, the 2007 Grand "C" will have the MB diesel in it in early 2007. That engine can meet the higher EPS standards. The 2007 Wrangler is not being considered for a diesel except for Europe.
Sorry to give the sad news, but some in the forum were questioning the CRD and it's ability to pass the 2007 EPA standards. Well we know now.....can you say upset?

Farout

cerich · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:52 pm

I plan on keeping mine until the body falls away from running gear so no issue for me. The truth is with the current oil climate in general, throw in the ULSD and then the fact that yes indeed we are a test market with the CRD and you have what seems on the face of things a strange vehicle. I'm sure DC is concerned that the USLD won't fix the EGR issues which is costing them a fortune plus the TC issues which we all are getting enough miles to start costing them a fortune and the extra few dollars (less than $800 exact features/options other than engine over the 3.7) doesn't seem like a great deal to them anymore.

Truth be told I would have gotten a GC w/ Diesel over the Liberty had it been available. I was also looking at the new FJ from Toyota but believe it or not 2 dealers and Toyota themself did not respond to my emails on expected delivery so screw them....

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:37 pm

My crystal ball says that after this summer and after a few hurricane scares or hits on the gulf coast you won't be able to find a CRD for sale. I think resale value on these things will depend on DC or the aftermarket solving the problems not on whether they make 07's. Don't get me wrong, I hope they don't pull them off the market, but I don't think it would be catastrophic for those who own one - I hope. A lot of dieselists are fanatics (like me) and I think there will be a market for these vehicles regardless of the 07 situation. I own a pare of 83 Nissan Maxima diesels - because they are diesels. I haven't researched it, but I think they have held their value better than the gas because of their uniqueness. They only made them for three years by the way...

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:25 pm

I'll believe it when 07 rolls around and the CRD isn't here. I don't think the 2.8 will have much trouble with the new standards when ULSD is available.

toos · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:45 pm

darn, every time I think I really want to get one of the Liberty CRD's, I hear about another problem. Now its rumors the vehicle will be discontinued.

Well, honestly I'd love to get a JGC Diesel if one was available and the price was not out of line with the current JGC pricing. My 97 JGC was a great ride, on the road and off, although it was no CJ or Liberty in truly rough country. It met my needs and never gave me grief. One of the best vacations I ever had was with that JGC; my family loved it. If they have an MB diesel engine in a JGC, sign me up for one now! The reviews in Europe for the 3.0L diesel are very good. It makes me want one even more.

Any idea if Jeep really will have a JGC diesel in the US this year, or is this just another maddening tease? :?:

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:31 pm

Check out the following.

http://www.jeepnewsnow.com/modules/news ... toryid=918

n3qik · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:05 pm

My guess is there will be no diesel in the Liberty. Not enought room for all of the new emission junk. But we will not losse any resale. We will have given DC some go sales data to look into the future for more diesel options in other Jeeps.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:05 pm

Well I don't know where you guys get your info about the CRD Liberty not being here in '07, but I can tell you this, you will be able to buy the Liberty CR in '07 as well as a CRD Dakota, and a MB Bluetec Durango as both engines have passed '09 EPA. Unless something changes you will not be able to buy a gasoline powered car in '11 as mfgs say they can't meet the requirements. But diesel engines seems to be the only one to be able to clear that hurtle.

The Jeep forums, and I include this one, sure has a lot of diesel naysayers hanging around and always passing out negitive info and seem to know very little about the diesel enginel and anything else for that matter, but love to pass bum info on diesels in general.

I said it and if I have hurt your feelings, to bad.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:36 pm

The whole resale thing is entirely speculation. As long as DC continues to support their product, the resale will likely be fine.

A few facts are actually known:
1). Oil producers got a waver/extension on ULSD until October for most of the US. Kinda puts the damper a manufacture's production schedule when you can't get the fuel you need to EPA certify it for 2007 model year emmissions. I think you will find WV in the same situation this Summer.
2). The Liberty is slated for a redesign (or replacement) in the near future. Jeep will likely be looking at retooling for the replacement model by the time ULSD is commonly available.
3). We compete in a global market for this product. VM Motori can hardly keep up with demand for this engine from other parts of the world. Why would DC fight our government over fuels and emmissions when they can sell all they can build elsewhere? How many of you went to Jeep expecting a deep discount on the CRD because competative products had deep discounts? In my case, I don't intend to use this off road thus this could have easily been a RAV4, Equinox, Trailblazer, CRV, or most any other compact 4X4. I was willing to pay a slight premium over these models to get the CRD but still delayed buying @ 30 days until Jeep came around on the price. Please forgive me for saying this but the Liberty wasn't my first vehicle choice and I would have bought something else if it weren't for the diesel motor and thier willingness to get realistic with the numbers. North America is a buyer's market. A better speculative question might be: Does DC make better money selling their diesel motors in the Liberty (or another vehicle) somewhere else?

I am still happy that I bought a CRD and intend to keep it unless DC decides to hang me out to dry me on warranty support. I bought their 7yr/100K, bumper to bumper, $0 deductible extended warranty. It's going to get ugly and this will be the last thing I buy from DC if they start playing games.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Oh yes, the resale value will fall to the floor on Monday morning, as soon as this news is heard by 2 Jeep dealers. And 6 anonymous Chrysler reps.

Just like it did on the Passat TDI when VW stopped selling them in the US in 05.

CTKJ · **Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:16 am

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JEFFERSON CITY, MO - March 22, 2006: Sales of the Jeep(R) Liberty CRD diesel, which comes pre-filled with 5 percent biodiesel (B5), are about to surpass the 10,000 mark. That's double the number expected when Chrysler Group first launched the diesel model in 2005

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Strong Sales Mark Launch of Jeep Liberty CRD, As DaimlerChrysler Tests U.S. Market for Diesel Vehicles
LOS ANGELES, June 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Launch of the 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD, the first diesel-powered mid-sized SUV in the U.S. market, has been met with strong customer response, with vehicles moving quickly out of dealer showrooms and into the hands of new owners.

At the end of May more than 6,000 units had been shipped to dealers, and 3,000 of those sold. Vehicles are sitting on the dealer lots an average of 23 days, about one-third the typical time.

I don't get it!!

And a source close to the team say's ..........

vtdog · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:27 am **Posts:** 640

In a prior post I reported that the salesman who sold me my '05 CRD said that DC was having trouble getting Motori to produce enough engines for the US/Canada market. He said "most" dealers were selling the CRD very well, with a few not having success at all. If you believe what he said (and I don't know why he would have any reason to lie), the rumors concerning no CRD in '07 seem to be false. I suspect that only the emission issues (which I do not fully understand) may be a factor. I know some have said that VW will stop the TDI in '07 do to emission problems, but I can't confirm, or deny as they say.

We will find out what the truth is in time and all we can do is wait.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Gents,

I notice issues with the post AllJeep copied from Edmunds CRD forum of one-off facts about the CRD

1. This poster later in the day posted that his post was just a rumor. That post didn't make it here
2. This poster (not Alljeep) has quite a few posts on that other board that need to be read first, in order to assign a credibility rating to his information. It's something a dealer told him, nothing more. It has a 50-50 chance of being true.

Note how his headlines are in BIG BOLD PRINT with his allegedly bad news, followed by the rumor status ( as he admits later in the afternoon) and then this statement "sorry for the bad news" - yes, so sorry that he blasted it in CAPS and BOLD PRINT !!!

Whether it turns out to be true or false, it is someone repeating what a dealer told them. No word from DCX or Jeep.

05JeepKJ · **Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:41 am

cerich wrote:

Truth be told I would have gotten a GC w/ Diesel over the Liberty had it been available. I was also looking at the new FJ from Toyota but believe it or not 2 dealers and Toyota themself did not respond to my emails on expected delivery so screw them....

I saw an FJ Cruiser about 2 weeks ago.

tired_old_dave · **Joined:** Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:45 pm **Posts:** 79

When my wife bought supposedly the first CRD in North Texas over a year ago, my sister said make sure you like it because you will have it a long time. We didn't get $7000 off sticker and the vehicle hadn't been on the lot for a model year. It had parts missing from the vehicle and build issues too long to list. If you were DC and you gave huge rebates to make the Liberty the best selling suv and the crd lost money and caused a burp on the assembly line and you could make more profit with using the diesel in Europe, why bother here. It would be nice if we got paid for being beta testers maybe give us our purchase price against a GC diesel or an '06 Cummins (or the "07 with an 6.7 w/egr?-retmil46's comment being the '07's will be better diesels now that the engine manufacturers had to meet emissions.)

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:31 pm

Excellent discussion. That's why I copied and posted here.

This has to be the best place on the net for actual owners of CRDs to converse and share ideas and theories.

I was thinking if the BlueTech is just a particulate filter, maybe it will fit nicely in the space that most have installed the Mann Provent. I keep an eye on the "other" forum for the occassional bits of partial truth that are interesting.

Pretty obvious that value will not go down if they are discontinued. Ever try to get ahold of a late model diesel Chevy Tahoe? I did - gave up after 3 years due to cost. Man, I love this little diesel... I have to go out to the garage now just to look at it again!

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Yes, this site has participation from individuals who are actively looking for and developing solutions, upgrades or just enthusiasm for the vehicles. Most of the other CRD forums I've seen, including the one previously mentioned are frequented posts about how unfair life with their CRD is, complaints about their dealer treatment, complaints about their problems with their vehicles, but rarely if ever do they post anything useful or a possible solution to the problem. I hope this site remains solution orientied.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:32 pm

Ever considered that this particular dealer was trying to scare the guy into an impulse buy, potentially getting a higher price out of him? "They're going to quit making them, if you don't buy one now you'll miss out!". You wouldn't believe some of the crap that some salespeople/dealerships will feed people to get them to buy vehicles.

All I can say is, check the thread "Asking the Horse", and read the response I got DIRECTLY from the CEO of Freightliner via e-mail. His words, "I think you'll be pleasantly surprised as we add more and more diesel models to the DC lineup of cars/trucks in the near future".

Straight from the horse's mouth. So much for rumors.

I visited the forum where that particular message was first posted and read it firsthand. At the risk of offending someone and getting flamed, IMHO, that particular forum has more than it's fair share of village idiots.

NJBill · **Posted:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:30 pm

Hell, I'm not worried about the 2007 models. I've got my CRD and love it. This is not my first diesel and it won't be my last. You guys need to calm down.

the big dog · **Joined:** Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 39

RESALE VALUE, HEY ANY YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE ISUZU TROOPERS THAT HAD THE DEISEL,AFTER THEY QUIT MAKING THEM THEY WERE SELLING 2 YEARS OLD UNITS FOR MORE THAN NEW GAS WERE BRINGING. IT MAY FALL IN THE OUT SET BUT DOWN THE ROAD THEY WILL BE A HOT COMMODITY NO MATTER WHAT THE MILES. AND SOME ONE WILL FIX THESE STUPID PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT BE DC OR AFTERMARKET. HOLD ON TO THOSE CRD'STHEIR RESALE WILL BE DOUBLE WHAT THIER GAS COUNTERPARTS WILL BRING :wink:

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