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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:53 am 
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My jeep is a 2005... I have a Bosch EDC16C31.


Ah, too bad for me and my EDC16C-C2


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:56 am 
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i have a bosch edc 16c-c2 too

and my EGR duty cycle it's different from edc 16c31 , in my map there are no code or limp mode , but I'm are really interested in learning how to clear the DTC and find the curves of the GP, i Know Titanium does not that 's perfect in the definitions, but I find WinOLS it complex , the right way for closing the EGR, it's this, in my edc

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this is the dirver who control the EGR

and if you close right the EGR you can disable the FCV , otherwise set a code P0402
as well as disable the EGR controls, you have to close the EGR map as the page behind

EGR close and FCV open always , but FCV , function for smooth shot down

with FCV always open the engine respond quickly on gas pedal command

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:04 pm 
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i have a bosch edc 16c-c2 too


You use the Alientech equipment; that is more expensive than the cheap clones.
But it may be the only way to go for the edc16c-c2.


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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yes , it's a Powergate II , 250 € , it's not cheap

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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I bought an MPPS and I was able to pull the stock bin file. I used WinOLS trial software to read the file but without the EDC16 module I had no clue what each map was for. There is also a program out there called VAGSuite which was designed for EDC15's but can see the maps from the EDC16. Again it doesnt know what is what.

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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That is the hard part of all this. Finding each map and what it does. I have done lots of reading and searching... Some people say you can put the EGR in hysteresis with the EDC16, others say it won't work. Not sure if it is correct or not. Experimenting with it now... I also read that the EGR does not fully close, it is active 10% of the time regardless. Not sure if that is true or not either...

Right now I think I have the EGR disbled in the ECU, but I am getting a P0401 and P0299 code and that is with the MAF plugged in. If I unplug the MAF (ORM) and clear the codes, the good ol' P0102 comes back, but that is to be expected...

Later today I will unplug the EGR and FCV to see if the codes clear or not. I may also block the exhaust input to the EGR and see what happens. Maybe the EGR is seeing the exhaust pressure but since the EGR is off it is throwing these codes... Trial and error I guess until I figure it out :mrgreen:

Even with the codes, the jeep runs fine regardless. No limp modes, loss of power or excessive smoke. :D


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:38 pm 
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I bought an MPPS and I was able to pull the stock bin file. I used WinOLS trial software to read the file but without the EDC16 module I had no clue what each map was for. There is also a program out there called VAGSuite which was designed for EDC15's but can see the maps from the EDC16. Again it doesnt know what is what.


Do you have the EDC16C31 or EDC16C-C2?


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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mass-hole wrote:
I bought an MPPS and I was able to pull the stock bin file. I used WinOLS trial software to read the file but without the EDC16 module I had no clue what each map was for. There is also a program out there called VAGSuite which was designed for EDC15's but can see the maps from the EDC16. Again it doesnt know what is what.


Do you have the EDC16C31 or EDC16C-C2?


I wanna say a EDC16C31, but I will have to reconnect to double check

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:40 pm 
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That is the hard part of all this. Finding each map and what it does. I have done lots of reading and searching... Some people say you can put the EGR in hysteresis with the EDC16, others say it won't work. Not sure if it is correct or not. Experimenting with it now... I also read that the EGR does not fully close, it is active 10% of the time regardless. Not sure if that is true or not either...

Right now I think I have the EGR disbled in the ECU, but I am getting a P0401 and P0299 code and that is with the MAF plugged in. If I unplug the MAF (ORM) and clear the codes, the good ol' P0102 comes back, but that is to be expected...

Later today I will unplug the EGR and FCV to see if the codes clear or not. I may also block the exhaust input to the EGR and see what happens. Maybe the EGR is seeing the exhaust pressure but since the EGR is off it is throwing these codes... Trial and error I guess until I figure it out :mrgreen:

Even with the codes, the jeep runs fine regardless. No limp modes, loss of power or excessive smoke. :D



it's difficult for me explain the map in titanium .......language problem , but you can focus on injection partialized , it's the time for open injector , i can say increment of a 10 % from 1400-1600 rpm -to the max and from 50% load to 100% load
increment a 4 , 6 % max the rail pressure and adeguate it's limiter in the same manner of timing

phase injection ....the first map you can find it's a FCV function ........after you found "out of driver" the control for egr and after the egr work ...........BUT..........if you do not close well the egr , you can not disable fcv ...dtc can found are p0299 if you close bad the egr or p0402 with the fcv opened and bad egr , after you found an acceleration enrichment , it's a map for the response of gas pedal , but after this map there are 2 limiter , and titanium not always found it .
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after the turbo increase ........do not increase over 140-150 point ........about 0,150 bar for a maximum prex of 1,5 bar , in the titanium you found a value that sign 2350 ......max prex , but you must remove 1000 mbar of atmospheric pressure 2350 -1000=1350 +150 = 1,5 bar
after the turbo prex you find....not always ...the limiter and if you go right you can found a bend in the map with the same value of max prex of turbo......it's out of driver but it's the limiter pressure

overboost.........you can no touch this , but if you want i'll suggest you dont go over 40 point .this increase the time your engine maintain the prex of turbo and decrease a little bit the fuel consumption

limiter .......torque limiter increase for a max 15% and the limiter(7) are the torque limiter on the shift ........increase at the same of engine

pressure rail limiter........increase of 4-6 % depending of what you have incremented the rail

sorry for my english ......but i hope you can understand

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:11 pm 
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nicktb wrote:
Ok thanks, as soon as I get the email I will look it over. The email has not come in it...

Thanks again. I will let you know how it works :)



news ?

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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Almost done... Hopefully tomorrow...


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:49 pm 
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Yeah...finding a damos for our cars will involve selling your first born...they are pricey to begin with...and there isnt alot of support for our jeep/ no one really tinkers with them compared to any VAG product...

from what Ive come across 05 and 06...here in North America all Use EDC16C31...CP31 is for the 3.0l grand cherokee...I guess Euro land got EDC15 and some other variants...also some readers may not read correctly BUT im fairly certain all our ecms are 16c31...

Mercedes and BMW and SMART, along with some VAG also use c31...but the mapping is different..

EDC15suite lables maps WAY OUT to lunch...it works great for the 99-04 range of VW's...and will read and show our maps...but dont beleive the "drivers" wish labels and such...they are completely wrong.

So far I have a "dirty" solution to deleting the EGR...Pretty much You do the OFF ROAD MOD...and I alter the file to delete the DTC for the maf being unplugged..along with the FCV...so for you chaps doing the new FCV delete...

Theres a few of us going to town on this...and things are slowly progressing...

there are 2 tested and working ORM anti CELS out there...things are looking good for us amatures


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:39 am 
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ok nik ,

@toy_vw what year is your kj ?

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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After lots and lots of reading, adjusting, tweaking, and help from other forum members, I got it :BANANA: I'm sure its not as good as a GDE tune, but it accomplished what I wanted... About 25-30HP increase, no turbo lag, no dramatic increase in smoke, and best of all- fully deleted EGR and FCV with no DTC's and no ill effects to the ECU.

Using Autoenginuity I can test/see all of the same ECU functions as before except for the EGR actuation :D

Now I have to wait for my intake elbow kit to come in 8)


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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Im actually surprised GDE...didnt chime in..but none the less
..good stuff man...theres still alot more experimentation going on right now...lets keep this stuff rolling


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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I'm happy, I may have found a way to disable the egr properly as in my for the previous versions also, thanks to another member of the forum who keep testing my tune file, but let's wait a couple of days before claiming victory

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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
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Great, so we are all making progress... The amount of code changed to delete the EGR and FCV was not very much.


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 Post subject: Re: CRD ECU maps & tuning
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:44 am 
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After lots and lots of reading, adjusting, tweaking, and help from other forum members, I got it :BANANA: I'm sure its not as good as a GDE tune, but it accomplished what I wanted... About 25-30HP increase, no turbo lag, no dramatic increase in smoke, and best of all- fully deleted EGR and FCV with no DTC's and no ill effects to the ECU.

Using Autoenginuity I can test/see all of the same ECU functions as before except for the EGR actuation :D

Now I have to wait for my intake elbow kit to come in 8)


Congratulations. Nice.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:11 pm 
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Thanks to another member on this list, I am testing his OBC modes. So far, no CEL and EGR is capped off, and both EGR & FVC units are currently unplugged.
We are on the right track, and hopefully more modes to come>>>>

Jeep is HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY!!! :JEEPIN:

EGR valve crap is going in the trash!!! If you want a used unit, let me know.
Ready for the FCV elimination kit.... :BANANA:

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Excellent!


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