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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:49 pm 
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olypopper wrote:
I frequent several sites and a few of which I am a moderator. In none of those sites would I singularly regulate one vendors posts like the mods here do. It's very odd to me how the moderators behave regarding certain contributors vs others.

I have dealt with all vendors on the CRD forum and have been very happy with each. I have no dealings with Geordi and am in no way attacking him but I find it very odd the lengths the moderators have gone to protect Geordi.

I'm still waiting for any moderator to post some logic as to how and when they feel the need to regulate certain vendors and then not regulate or even insulate others from a concerned customer or better yet, a customer that has a problem and has posted here to alert potential customers of a possible fraud.

yes i agree there needs to be some transparency here on this, thats why i volunteer my phone to everyone if they want to know my experience ,but thats as far as it goes, the mudslinging and dodging were just that, to gain the attention of People who may contract to now exactly what they may be getting into.thats all, just a report, with proof,.


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why didn't moderators lock up threads about Jeff Bauer's products when they were attacked by people that don't own the product?

Whoa! Hang on a minute. What exactly do you mean by "threads about Jeff Bauer's products"? IIRC, most of these threads were not about Jeff's product, they were general discussions started by others that were hijacked by Jeff to try and promote his product.

The personal business discussions we see between Geordi and the vets don't belong here. IMO they should be deleted altogether.

i do agree, but yet at the same time you would be stopping info that may be good for others to know, as for Vets Beaf with Geordi, thats geordis cat to *&^^&*,he stomps on non veterans feet just the same i hope they would report it too..


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why didn't moderators lock up threads about Jeff Bauer's products when they were attacked by people that don't own the product?

Whoa! Hang on a minute. What exactly do you mean by "threads about Jeff Bauer's products"? IIRC, most of these threads were not about Jeff's product, they were general discussions started by others that were hijacked by Jeff to try and promote his product.

The personal business discussions we see between Geordi and the vets don't belong here. IMO they should be deleted altogether.


The discussion turned into a doo doo show that spread across multiple threads, there was no need for that. If the parties involved could not keep it civil and in one place then it ought to get locked down.

Its the difference between the couple next door having a discussion in the kitchen vs having an argument throwing things that spreads to the street and gets the cops called.

This may have started off small, but it got the cops called. Both sides had days to talk and keep it civil, it started spilling into unrelated threads with vague threats. We are better off for it.

there was a ton of communication before i brought it here, all with the same result, so no its not like you think, I've got all the texts here,..so no this was not at all knee jerk,, or endgame,..but only to allow people to know what they may be bargaining into, thats all, just a brotherly alert to the forum ,where yes, it did go like wild fire, but if someone is doing wrong under the guise of being king of lost jeeps wouldn't you want to know?? id be leary of people that just do the yea it was great, when it wasn't, its ok to have a mixed review , but a review of all strait a's and no b's or c's thats a lil suspect itself.


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Oh Holy Moses not again people.


My thoughts exactly...I hope I don't infuriate anyone by posting actual technical info tomorrow!

oh hey GUYS I'm high iron crd, the exposure is out there and and admin contacted me and explained, yes things got going but I'm still here cool as cucumber out of respect for everyone i own what i did wrong i was over generous and trusting, lesson learned , i have nothing but love and respect for everyone here, admin included , i do not know about the other guy John and his threads and what came of it, guys I'm an honest hard working man just like everyone else, i really don't have to do much more as you can see he has soured out a few people, but thats ok too, cmon, if some stole from you, you may have done the same, its done, its over, its food for thought for anyone that may consider him, Peace and Jeep on :)


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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
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By playing the veteran's card in my posts about geordi's underhanded dealings with High Iron CRD in the way I did generated knee-jerk/snap responses from geordi in which he further incriminated himself.

My apologies for poorly representing other veterans. Once I learned of geordi's disdain for us I figured I'd use it to draw him out. It worked. Of course there won't be vets lining up at his parents house, where he lives, to make him pay up, lol. The only actions will be small claims court if necessary.

Having those threads frozen is a good thing. I believe the info contained is also frozen and no edits can be made to spin the 'facts' in anyone's favor. Now interested parties can digest the info as it came out. The criticized writing style of highironcrd is simply him being real. Believe me it is no indication of the man's intelligence. In person on the phone you will meet an educated gentleman as articulate and clear headed as a man can be. The insults from geordi towards highiron are meant to mislead you and to discredit the man he owes money to. That became obvious to me once I spoke with Mr. High Iron CRD.

I see disingenuous deflections and spin from the guy who spent the other guys deposit and simply doesn't have it to pay back. Red Flag.



UNFORTUNATELY, geordi is an absolute master at spinning the rhetoric and the narrative of any given subject on the problems of the Liberty CRD. What he should be doing is working for the Democratic Party!!

He has fooled a lot of members here on this forum with his following threads:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=84902

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79984

Nothing will ever come to conclusion regarding these threads because he refuses to accept all the parameters that may cause problems in these areas.

Why then did he post these threads, if not to come to some conclusion? The following is my supposition, based on anecdotal evidence and things geordi himself has posted on here and on FaceBook...

1) It makes him out to look like an authority in these areas, when in fact he has not stated that he has any formal training in as a diesel technician, or even an automotive technician. He is most certainly not an engineer of any kind; that I know of for sure.

2) These threads were created to promote the idea that the TTY bolts and the valves of the R428 engine are the crux of the problem with head gasket and valve failures. This is quite convenient for him because that just so happens to be the area of servicing that he performs.

Both of these things - as well as his frequent interjections into threads - serve to promote his business. This is now appropriate for him to do so as he is now an official vendor, but he was not for the longest time. Some member finally complained about this, and now he has to pay to be an official vendor.

It is VERY interesting that geordi - until now - has not received nearly the level of scrutiny from people like Ceearedeedriver and jws84_02 that they have leveled at me. You two continue to employ a double-standard when it comes to geordi and me.

Both of you were all over me when I promoted the H.D.S. Model 001 as an Official Vendor when people inquired about CRD engine thermostat problems, even though it was my right to do so, and yet looked the other way when geordi promoted his services on threads he did not start when he was not even an Official Vendor.

Ceearedeedriver, you are the absolute worst when it comes to hypocrisy. You try to take the moral high ground here, yet you gleefully promote and have used Sarge Industries' knock-off thermostat modification where he STOLE my idea of using the Hemi thermostat valve. That is bad enough... it is completely legal to do so, but moral? I think not. Then you had the temerity to claim it is as good as the Hot Diesel Solutions Model 001, even though at the time you made those claims you had neither Sarge's unit OR mine in your hands to compare against each other.

The threads you CLAIM were general discussions that I "hijacked" were involving CRD cooling systems; that was fair game for me when I was an Official Vendor. But I guess it is O.K. for you and other members to hijack my customer's thread when he posted about 3 months back a favourable thread on my product. Hypocrite!

For those of you reading this that may think I am against ARP studs, I will state for the record that I am not against them. I simply think the following should be taken into consideration...

Are ARP head studs superior to the O.E. TTY studs? Most certainly they are, but the TTY studs have been used R428 engines in markets all over the world, and they do not have the problems that we seem to be having in North America. A CRD owner should only be replacing O.E. stud sets with ARP head studs if the head gasket has failed.
hi Brother I'm high iron crd ,thank you for your input,im sorry you got piled on and scrutinized by some people , i am the guy that complained about geordi,.and you can see the fuss caused , yes people don't like sheisters and i was only reporting this after several attempts on personal level to get my money back, and with the way he spun it and the way people piled on him and the whole fiasco grew from there, so i think this has drawn so much more thought out of people than just the fact i was ripped off, which can be good, this can open old debate and evan yes, maybe weed out the bad things that may come to mind around here, thank you again for your insightefull input, but as for now out of respect for the whole community, we don't need to get muddy or bloody , obviously the man Geordi has done a fine enough job of that of his own,..people are thinking people now will scrutinize , and compare.which is good,Peace Brother and Jeep On :)


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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
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I read the first few and scratched my head. Geordi seems to be helpful even if you aren't a customer, I can't say the same about Bauer, his product may be top notch but after trying to deal with him I felt like I was buying from a snake oil salesman playing his [excellent] product up as magic. Pricing and information was hard to find and there was a significantly higher price in the USA because he didn't want to vary his price based on the exchange rate. There also was bizarre false logic, a bigger passage into the head, but when I stuck my finger in the head it felt like the passage was more restricted than the factory thermostat passage. It is hard to trust someone who plays those games.nm


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...and cue Jeff with his libelous statements

TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
Ceearedeedriver, you are the absolute worst when it comes to hypocrisy. You try to take the moral high ground here, yet you gleefully promote and have used Sarge Industries' knock-off thermostat modification where he STOLE my idea of using the Hemi thermostat valve.

I promote that solution because I've implemented it, it's low cost and it works well. Like I pointed out before you have zero evidence to back up your claim that Sarge STOLE your idea. Did he? I don't know because I never asked him. But is it a coincidence that this is a fairly standard thermostat in many Chrysler products which would make for a pretty obvious 1st attempt?

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Then you had the temerity to claim it is as good as the Hot Diesel Solutions Model 001, even though at the time you made those claims you had neither Sarge's unit OR mine in your hands to compare against each other.

I defy you to either back up your comments with verbatim quotations from postings that I actually made including a link to the posting or delete these lies you keep spouting.

Can't find any postings to quote from? That's because I've NEVER said that Sarge's mod is as good as your housing.


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I have never changed my position. You will be refunded what you are owed when I have the means. Where was any restriction on the usage of the deposit vocalized? Why do I have to justify where and how it was used, the simple answer is "life has bills" and in trying to get everything ready and waiting for other payments, I got overextended and behind.

Buyers remorse would not have changed that situation, even if the Jeep had arrived without a scrape and a dent that have now been fixed, had you then decided that because of a dirty carpet or something else that you weren't interested and wanted to back out while I was face-to-face, we would have ended up in the same situation: I would not have been able to refund anything "on demand" and this same situation would result.

Your "cool as a cucumber" demeanor is out there for everyone to see too. I don't know where you get the idea that I am anti-military or anti-vet or anti-anything else. You and your mirror account can continue "piling on" as you wish, but it won't change the reality. Even though it appears that you are giving up on the refund with these most recent postings after the mods locked your other threads... That does not change MY character or behavior. You will be refunded when I have the means. All I can do is what I have attempted to do, but since I cannot print money out of thin air, I guess I am just "spinning" again, huh?

What HAS affected your refund and the timeline is the threats against me, no matter how vague. If you feel vindicated in driving business away from me or telling them that you have found cheaper and less experienced mechanics elsewhere, then fine, that will only make the timeline for refunding you longer. I'm not reducing the refund because of the threats that you have encouraged, I'm not charging your refund amount because of the vitriol that you have promoted by false and unrelated accusations that I somehow dislike veterans, even though I'm sure some out there would think it is justified.

You will get back everything that you are owed when I have the means.

Impatience drove the first machine shop to decline your work at the 3 week mark, when they had clearly stated that it would be AT LEAST A MONTH before they could look at it. I wasn't calling them, and your reaction of blowing up screaming at me when I said that they needed time and space to work, proves my theory that you were calling them constantly. They knew exactly what type of bearings it had, because I watched the owner go through his parts explosion views writing down the part numbers so he could look them up while I was there dropping it off. We talked about how it was assembled. He was the one who first called it "encapsulated" and had no problem at that point with the work - only whether the pistons and bearings were available somewhere. Why did that suddenly change that he "never works on encapsulated bearings" 3 weeks later? It wasn't because I was on the phone with them.

Impatience brought you to this action also, and it has only made the timeline for repayment longer. I had only had the repaired Jeep online for sale for a few days before the holidays (admittedly not the best time to try to sell a vehicle) before you started your "review" and now it may take even longer to sell that CRD to get money to refund you. If dragging this out longer was your goal, good work.

Despite your encouraged threats, You will get back everything that you are owed when I have the means.


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There also was bizarre false logic, a bigger passage into the head, but when I stuck my finger in the head it felt like the passage was more restricted than the factory thermostat passage.

So this is one of his sales pitches. He tells us he's increased the size of the housing to accommodate a much larger thermostat. I've not handled one of his housings so can't comment whether it is indeed bigger. But regardless of the actual size of Jeff's housing, does it really need to be bigger or is there something we're not being told? The Hemi thermostat does indeed look and feel significantly larger but this is only because the main valve seat is part of the thermostat whereas in the OE case the seat is part of the housing. This additional structure around the Hemi core makes it appear to be a substantially bigger thermostat.

The truth is when comparing the "size" of the two thermostats you need to consider the diameters of the main valve and bypass plates, the Hemi has a diameter of 1.563" for the main valve and 1.359" for the bypass. For the OE thermostat the dimensions are 1.571" for the main valve and 1.352" for the bypass. So for all intents the two thermostats are actually the exact same size to within a few thou. But wait a minute, there's one more dimension to consider. Pop them both in a pot of hot water and you'll see that the OE thermostat has a much larger action than the Hemi. So contrary to what Jeff keeps telling us the Hemi is actually a more restrictive and therefore smaller thermostat.

Now if you believe the engineers that designed the OE housing sized it correctly of the OE core, and no one has given us any reason not to, then it is certainly adequate for the Hemi thermostat. If you prefer to believe a truck driver/wannabe engineer who's had a couple of conversations with a sales rep at Stant and you're happy paying $500 for an oversized housing then that's fine too.


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I have never changed my position. You will be refunded what you are owed when I have the means. Where was any restriction on the usage of the deposit vocalized? Why do I have to justify where and how it was used, the simple answer is "life has bills" and in trying to get everything ready and waiting for other payments, I got overextended and behind.

Buyers remorse would not have changed that situation, even if the Jeep had arrived without a scrape and a dent that have now been fixed, had you then decided that because of a dirty carpet or something else that you weren't interested and wanted to back out while I was face-to-face, we would have ended up in the same situation: I would not have been able to refund anything "on demand" and this same situation would result.

Your "cool as a cucumber" demeanor is out there for everyone to see too. I don't know where you get the idea that I am anti-military or anti-vet or anti-anything else. You and your mirror account can continue "piling on" as you wish, but it won't change the reality. Even though it appears that you are giving up on the refund with these most recent postings after the mods locked your other threads... That does not change MY character or behavior. You will be refunded when I have the means. All I can do is what I have attempted to do, but since I cannot print money out of thin air, I guess I am just "spinning" again, huh?

What HAS affected your refund and the timeline is the threats against me, no matter how vague. If you feel vindicated in driving business away from me or telling them that you have found cheaper and less experienced mechanics elsewhere, then fine, that will only make the timeline for refunding you longer. I'm not reducing the refund because of the threats that you have encouraged, I'm not charging your refund amount because of the vitriol that you have promoted by false and unrelated accusations that I somehow dislike veterans, even though I'm sure some out there would think it is justified.

You will get back everything that you are owed when I have the means.

Impatience drove the first machine shop to decline your work at the 3 week mark, when they had clearly stated that it would be AT LEAST A MONTH before they could look at it. I wasn't calling them, and your reaction of blowing up screaming at me when I said that they needed time and space to work, proves my theory that you were calling them constantly. They knew exactly what type of bearings it had, because I watched the owner go through his parts explosion views writing down the part numbers so he could look them up while I was there dropping it off. We talked about how it was assembled. He was the one who first called it "encapsulated" and had no problem at that point with the work - only whether the pistons and bearings were available somewhere. Why did that suddenly change that he "never works on encapsulated bearings" 3 weeks later? It wasn't because I was on the phone with them.

Impatience brought you to this action also, and it has only made the timeline for repayment longer. I had only had the repaired Jeep online for sale for a few days before the holidays (admittedly not the best time to try to sell a vehicle) before you started your "review" and now it may take even longer to sell that CRD to get money to refund you. If dragging this out longer was your goal, good work.

Despite your encouraged threats, You will get back everything that you are owed when I have the means.

First off i don't threaten anyone, you pissed off other people,Vets do take note on people who wrong them, all over the nation,..AMVETS no matter the branch of service do talk of services and prices, again this smear on me with the machine shop, funny, the money was green, and they were most accomating,further more you should stop portraying machine shops as so premadonna that a phone call upsets the balance, maybe its YOU that has crossed them before and caused you to take the very cautious don't call about your stuff path, like I said before, the shop up here is just fine,. Geordi your right! their was no verbal instructions on the deposit, only a moral one, you broke it,.and please!life expenses??how about the Jeep expenses I have incurred, not only did I Pay 3750.00 for the original job , but now (including the 2000 you stole)and 2500 for a motor you also tried to half steal,,(do you remember that chat?)because if you don't ill gladly post it for you, thats another 4,500,and lets not forget the 450.You charged to come assess the motor Geordi thats 8000dollars for you to come online here, tell people how you want to rob from peter to pay paul,pay me so i can pay Highiron crd, please Keep going,Im sure any prospective customer will think twice of you, oh sure you do a great timing belt job, but outside of that,I do not have to paint the picture, you do well enough of that all on your own Mister. see you at small claims court.


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I fully agree to locking the posts, it will and probably has already put others of from joining LJ. I know its not my place to get involved but I do feel that gordi has been profiteering on this forum for a considerable time. Not that I personally have an issue with that, but I would imagine some members would. In return he has contributed to the forum considerably, not necessarily correctly every time but than we are all human.

yes sir!! agreed! My position was that to warn others that he uses this place as a base, ever since I've known him he claims to be the best and just read his posts on how great he is, well i read them and he patronizes most anybody, he's very keyboard brave, but if you ever met him in person you may swear he's still a virgin,, well at least with woman,..great mechanic for crds , don't get me wrong he does do the job and well ,but I've priced others for work and they all come in at 1000 or less for the same work,,so yea,, it does appear he is 1 way street on LJ,he does take and does boast but you gotta put everything on the scale if were gunna skin it backlit is about who you can trust and who you cant , myself i love LJ great site great, people, Peace and Jeep On


To be honest I do not wont to get involved and I should sit on the fence, but If I had been put in your situation I probably would have done the same. I could easily slate the guy on his methods here but I full silent on the subject. Hope you get your 2k back soon.

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And out of all these comments from people who have had dealings with both vendors involved, the "bash Jeff" crowd (those who don't own the product) and the "bash Geordi" crowd (those who have and those who haven't paid for his services), we've now seen this thread derail into mudslinging and ZERO RESPONSE FROM A MODERATOR about why they feel the need to run interference for certain vendors and not others. Lame.

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Ceearedeedriver wrote:
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There also was bizarre false logic, a bigger passage into the head, but when I stuck my finger in the head it felt like the passage was more restricted than the factory thermostat passage.

So this is one of his sales pitches. He tells us he's increased the size of the housing to accommodate a much larger thermostat. I've not handled one of his housings so can't comment whether it is indeed bigger. But regardless of the actual size of Jeff's housing, does it really need to be bigger or is there something we're not being told? The Hemi thermostat does indeed look and feel significantly larger but this is only because the main valve seat is part of the thermostat whereas in the OE case the seat is part of the housing. This additional structure around the Hemi core makes it appear to be a substantially bigger thermostat.

The truth is when comparing the "size" of the two thermostats you need to consider the diameters of the main valve and bypass plates, the Hemi has a diameter of 1.563" for the main valve and 1.359" for the bypass. For the OE thermostat the dimensions are 1.571" for the main valve and 1.352" for the bypass. So for all intents the two thermostats are actually the exact same size to within a few thou. But wait a minute, there's one more dimension to consider. Pop them both in a pot of hot water and you'll see that the OE thermostat has a much larger action than the Hemi. So contrary to what Jeff keeps telling us the Hemi is actually a more restrictive and therefore smaller thermostat.

Now if you believe the engineers that designed the OE housing sized it correctly of the OE core, and no one has given us any reason not to, then it is certainly adequate for the Hemi thermostat. If you prefer to believe a truck driver/wannabe engineer who's had a couple of conversations with a sales rep at Stant and you're happy paying $500 for an oversized housing then that's fine too.


The topic of this tread is Geordi not Jeff..............


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I read the first few and scratched my head. Geordi seems to be helpful even if you aren't a customer, I can't say the same about Bauer, his product may be top notch but after trying to deal with him I felt like I was buying from a snake oil salesman playing his [excellent] product up as magic. Pricing and information was hard to find and there was a significantly higher price in the USA because he didn't want to vary his price based on the exchange rate. There also was bizarre false logic, a bigger passage into the head, but when I stuck my finger in the head it felt like the passage was more restricted than the factory thermostat passage. It is hard to trust someone who plays those games.nm


Enough with the over-the-top rhetoric, NapaBavarian; I never claimed the Model 001 was magic, just the best option available.

Your observations regarding the flow of coolant out of the cylinder head and through the O.E. thermostat assembly are pure speculation. I would like to see you stick your fingers in all the passages of the O.E. thermostat; good luck getting them unstuck. Have you actually flow measured either the cylinder head or O.E. thermostat assembly? Somehow I doubt that, and I can tell you where to stick your finger the next time you want to use it.... do not try to B.S. me or the members here with your crap observations; they simply do not wash. Oh, wait... there Is someone stupid enough to take what you have to say as gospel... over to you, Ceearedeedriver!

The fact of the matter is the O.E. thermostat assembly is definitely the cooling system pinch point on the R425 and R428 engines, as it is on most engines.

You now have your wish; prices for the Model 001 are the same in Canada as they are in the U.S. They are now universally priced at $465.00 USD, plus shipping. Happy now?

Finally, that is some really twisted logic you got there, NapaBavarian... if you even bothered to make that phone call to highironcrd you would know geordi has been less than honest with him, and has his money... highironcrd is most definitely geordi's customer, now AND from previous business.

You were never my customer; you simply asked for information, and did not like what you received. That is O.K. But for you to allude that you were my customer simply for asking for information and claiming that you were mistreated is a lie.


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Lol. Shove your fingers up holes is your reply when someone post actual numbers. Now that's funny

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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:01 am 
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PZKW108 wrote:
The topic of this tread is Geordi not Jeff..............

As a reminder, here's the 2nd sentence of the original post:

"Why is Hot Diesel Solutions no longer a vendor?.........why didn't moderators lock up threads about Jeff Bauer's products when they were attacked by people that don't own the product?"

Heck the title of the thread is "Geordi's threads VS others"

So not sure how you can come and tell us it's not as much about both of them? I think it's fair for us to answer these questions by pointing out how Jeffs behaviour may have contributed to his treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:13 am 
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TURBO-DIESEL-FREAK wrote:
Have you actually flow measured either the cylinder head or O.E. thermostat assembly? Somehow I doubt that,

Have you? Somehow I doubt that, yet it would seem to be a fairly important parameter for someone designing a commercial thermostat housing to be working around. Bigger is not always better or even necessary. If you indeed have taken these measurements I apologize for doubting you and you can maybe present us with them to show how pitifully inadequately the OE housing is versus yours.

You've not addressed the fact that the Hemi thermostat is actually more restrictive than the OE core.

You've also not provided a quote where I say that Sarge's mod is as good as your housing having accused me of saying so earlier in this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Geordi's threads VS others?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:55 am 
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Ceearedeedriver wrote:
NapaBavarian wrote:
There also was bizarre false logic, a bigger passage into the head, but when I stuck my finger in the head it felt like the passage was more restricted than the factory thermostat passage.

So this is one of his sales pitches. He tells us he's increased the size of the housing to accommodate a much larger thermostat. I've not handled one of his housings so can't comment whether it is indeed bigger. But regardless of the actual size of Jeff's housing, does it really need to be bigger or is there something we're not being told? The Hemi thermostat does indeed look and feel significantly larger but this is only because the main valve seat is part of the thermostat whereas in the OE case the seat is part of the housing. This additional structure around the Hemi core makes it appear to be a substantially bigger thermostat.

The truth is when comparing the "size" of the two thermostats you need to consider the diameters of the main valve and bypass plates, the Hemi has a diameter of 1.563" for the main valve and 1.359" for the bypass. For the OE thermostat the dimensions are 1.571" for the main valve and 1.352" for the bypass. So for all intents the two thermostats are actually the exact same size to within a few thou. But wait a minute, there's one more dimension to consider. Pop them both in a pot of hot water and you'll see that the OE thermostat has a much larger action than the Hemi. So contrary to what Jeff keeps telling us the Hemi is actually a more restrictive and therefore smaller thermostat.

Now if you believe the engineers that designed the OE housing sized it correctly of the OE core, and no one has given us any reason not to, then it is certainly adequate for the Hemi thermostat. If you prefer to believe a truck driver/wannabe engineer who's had a couple of conversations with a sales rep at Stant and you're happy paying $500 for an oversized housing then that's fine too.


Firstly, how are you measuring the valves, by the size of the port or by the size of the port the valve sits in or my the size of the valve discs themselves?

Secondly, you trying to measure the stroke of a valve by placing them both in hot water together and observing the stoke visually is a false measurement, for three reasons...

1) You must have removed the valve from the O.E. assembly in order to properly measure it, and then to observe it stroke out in the hot water. Stroke of any thermostat valve that is spring-loaded into an assembly - where the housing acts as a frame for the valve - can only be accurately measured in that spring loaded condition. This does not apply to the Hemi valve because it has it's own frame.

2) The valve you took out of the O.E. housing was likely a failed unit, and you are likely comparing it to a new Hemi valve. There are inaccuracies here as well.

3) The O.E. valve and the Hemi valve have two different opening temperatures. More inaccuracies.

One - 1 - Hemi thermostat valve is universally used in all versions and years of the Hemi V-8 gasoline engines, from 2003 to the present day. This valve controls temperature of an engine that produces anywhere from 375 horsepower to 707 horsepower, with similar figures for torque. With that kind of power comes serious heat, and serious demands on the cooling system. Do you REALLY think that a diesel engine producing less than 200 horsepower and less than 300 ft-lbs of torque uses a thermostat valve that is the same size, and flows a similar amount of coolant?!? Give your head a shake, Ceearedeedriver.

I DID NOT SPEAK TO A SALES REPRESENTATIVE AT STANT CORPORATION, I CONSULTED WITH ONE OF THEIR ENGINEERS. You wonder why I am angry with members such as yourself; stop trying to change the story here.

I did not need to measure the cylinder head coolant flow, it is understood in engine design the you do not make the pinch point for coolant flow in either the block or the cylinder head. To do so would require extremely expensive re-engineering if you got it wrong. It is generally accepted you make the coolant system pinch point at the spot where the thermostat valve controls the flow. This is simply the most logical place for a pinch point as that is where the "gate" is, and if mistakes are made here you can lay the blame for the mistake on the engineers from the company you contracted to manufacture your thermostat assemblies.


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