NapaBavarian wrote:
papaindigo, thanks, there was a well thought out somewhat machined design than I need to locate, it may be the one you refer to. It seems a number of these have come and gone over the years. I'd like to pick up where they left off and come up with something simple to produce, based on the very aggressive attitude of the above I see a great deal of profit margin in his design, in other words, it isn't nearly as expensive or difficult to produce as is claimed.
In reality I'd like to come up with something that would be open source so anyone could build their own or build them for resale, I have no interest in profit or being a manufacturer, I would like to see those who can't afford $500 ballpark be able to have a replaceable option hopefully in the ballpark of a factory thermostat, let's say $200.
There you go again accusing me of profiteering, and the reason I am justifiably pissed at you. I have not lied about the costs for manufacturing the Model 001, and I make a smaller profit margin than any other CRD upgrade supplier. If you are whining about profit margins, why haven't you mentioned anything about the Sasquatch Motorsports Intake Elbow?!? That thing costs less than $100.00 to manufacture, and Seth is tripling the money he gets back from his investment in it!
If you can't afford the Model 001, NapaBavarian, just say so and I'll understand. But to not respond to the e-mail information letter I sent you over a year ago, and then try to assassinate my character on this forum because you don't like the price is really sleazy.
For the record, I have offered the opportunity in the past to have someone like papaindigo speak directly to the machine shop that machines the Model 001 housing, cap and hose barb. You can hear directly from the guy I pay to have these parts made to check FIRST HAND the cost of carving the parts that make up 80% of the cost of manufacturing the Model 001, (and that does not include the time I put in assembling them). So far nobody has taken the offer, so I have to ask... what are you all afraid of? Are you all worried of finding out that quality parts cost a lot of money to buy?I find it totally ironic that I am willing to open my books for EVERYONE to see so that they KNOW my prices are not only fair, they are actually a bargain in comparison to the markups by other vendors and manufacturers. No other business would do this, perhaps because they know cheapskates like NapaBavarian will always play armchair quarterback and want to be the one to determine profit margin, even though they don't have a clue as to everything that is involved to develop and get a product to market.
I AM sensitive to the price of my product, and that is why I made this offer to have a CRD owner talk to the machine shop that carves the Model 001 housing, cap and hose barb. I WANT people to know that my markups are very reasonable.
The offer stands... any LOSTJEEPS.com member can inquire with the machine shop I use, and can speak to Juan Ruiz, the general manager. I ask only the following...
1) Get a group of CRD members together, and elect ONE person to do this. Do not get a group of people calling the machine shop all asking for the same cost analysis from Mr. Ruiz... he is a busy man and does not have time for B.S. That person is to e-mail me at
INTCOMBUSTION2@hotmail.com and I will give that person only the contact information of the machine shop I use. Confirmation that the contact information is of a legitimate machine shop can be had by following up with a call to the Better Business Bureau of Central and Northern Alberta, (
https://www.bbb.org/edmonton/get-to-know-us/contact-us/).
2) Please call at the end of the day, between 5:00 PM and 5:45 PM Mountain Standard Time. This is the best time to call him as he is winding down for the day.
3) The designated person who contacts Juan Ruiz WILL start a new thread on Liberty CRD...Love that Torque and post his or her findings for everyone to see.
I spent around $20,000.00 CDN developing the Hot Diesel Solutions Model 001 at the request of MANY Liberty CRD owners over three years ago, only to have about half of them bail on me when the real costs of bringing this product to market were realised. A good portion of them left due to the innuendo, spin and outright lies offered up by LOSTJEEPS members like NavaBavarian, who is not my customer and has not seen the product first hand. I have been digging myself out of a hole ever since, despite having a top notch product that ALL of my customers who did have faith in me say is money well spent. Just putting it out there if people are wondering why I am ripping into NapaBavarian so much.
For the record, the design that NapaBavarian is likely looking for is one another member made that would not even be in existence had this other member not gleaned the hard-earned knowledge I obtained - at cost - in my research to develop the Model 001. LOSTJEEPS.com members should look hard at this and look down the road to unforeseen consequences in future scenarios where an upgrade part like the Liberty CRD thermostat is desperately required. Nobody is going to want to step up and spend the money and time for development of that part, only to have someone else steal the idea and make cheaper versions of the newly developed part and then call it "just as good" as the original.