New Poll on how common some of these problems are.

Reggie · **Posted:** Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:39 am

There has been a lot of discussion on this forum lately about how prevalent the problems are with the CRD. There have been posters with multiple EGR valve or glow plug replacements and then there are others with no problems what so ever. There are those that have had no problems that feel that only a small percentage of the vehicles are exhibiting failure. What I would like to do is to quantify how many of us have had problems, multiple problems, or no problems at all. I know that there were past polls asking about EGR problems; glow plug problems; and even ball joint problems. What I want to do is to combine these issues into one poll. I’m not looking to flame anyone, just curious about the data. It would also be nice to see miles on the rig and average fuel economy.

Reggie · **Posted:** Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:41 am

My rig has 11k miles on it with an average fuel economy of ~21 mpg. I've had issue with the EGR valve, glow plugs and the tranny.

wolcott · **Joined:** Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:16 pm **Posts:** 108

Have 17,500 miles on a 2005 Liberty Limited CRD. No problems yet, but the ball joints have about .030" play, enough so it wanders a little, but not enough for a warranty replacement. (It takes .060" play before DC will replace them)

One thing I forgot to add. Average mileage is about 23 MPG. The vehicle also has a Pro Vent installed.

richardkf · **Joined:** Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:15 pm **Posts:** 167

What are the long term effects on the turbo, intercooler or any other part of the engine w/o the pro-vent installed?
What type of extra preventive maintenance would need to be done without the pro-vent to keep the engine durable and long-lasting?
I am not very mechanical. I understand all I have been reading about oil and soot going into the turbo and intercooler, but can the intercooler be cleaned out regularly to avoid the long term effect?

Reggie · **Posted:** Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:44 pm

richardkf wrote:

What are the long term effects on the turbo, intercooler or any other part of the engine w/o the pro-vent installed?
What type of extra preventive maintenance would need to be done without the pro-vent to keep the engine durable and long-lasting?
I am not very mechanical. I understand all I have been reading about oil and soot going into the turbo and intercooler, but can the intercooler be cleaned out regularly to avoid the long term effect?

The main thing that the provent will accomplish is to prevent the build up of oil & soot in the intake manifold of the engine. What happens is the oil from the crank case vent mixes with the soot from the EGR valve causing build up down stream from the EGR valve. I've personally removed and cleaned the intake of my VW TDI because of this problem. Other TDI owners have had the intake plug up completely. One advantage that the TDI has is that the intake is fairly easy to remove. The intake on our CRD is not so easy because the fuel injection system will have also need to be removed to get the manifold off for cleaning. It was not all that uncommon for VW TDI owners to get charged $700 to $1000 for this cleaning.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

20K miles to date... 2 bad egr valves, 2 bad glow plugs, 1 bad turbo, 1 failed tranny torque converter.

richardkf · **Joined:** Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:15 pm **Posts:** 167

Reggie wrote:

richardkf wrote:

What are the long term effects on the turbo, intercooler or any other part of the engine w/o the pro-vent installed?
What type of extra preventive maintenance would need to be done without the pro-vent to keep the engine durable and long-lasting?
I am not very mechanical. I understand all I have been reading about oil and soot going into the turbo and intercooler, but can the intercooler be cleaned out regularly to avoid the long term effect?

The main thing that the provent will accomplish is to prevent the build up of oil & soot in the intake manifold of the engine. What happens is the oil from the crank case vent mixes with the soot from the EGR valve causing build up down stream from the EGR valve. I've personally removed and cleaned the intake of my VW TDI because of this problem. Other TDI owners have had the intake plug up completely. One advantage that the TDI has is that the intake is fairly easy to remove. The intake on our CRD is not so easy because the fuel injection system will have also need to be removed to get the manifold off for cleaning. It was not all that uncommon for VW TDI owners to get charged $700 to $1000 for this cleaning.

Thanks Reggie - How many miles were on your TDI when you had to clean the intake?

Makes you wonder why there is not additive on the market that can be dumped in the fuel tank every so often (like fuel injector cleaner on gas cars) to break down deposits and build-up in there. :roll:

.... and how stupid auto mfrs are to not add some type of filtration at the factory since this problem for diesels is not a new one.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:10 am

richardkf wrote:

Reggie wrote:

richardkf wrote:

What are the long term effects on the turbo, intercooler or any other part of the engine w/o the pro-vent installed?
What type of extra preventive maintenance would need to be done without the pro-vent to keep the engine durable and long-lasting?
I am not very mechanical. I understand all I have been reading about oil and soot going into the turbo and intercooler, but can the intercooler be cleaned out regularly to avoid the long term effect?

The main thing that the provent will accomplish is to prevent the build up of oil & soot in the intake manifold of the engine. What happens is the oil from the crank case vent mixes with the soot from the EGR valve causing build up down stream from the EGR valve. I've personally removed and cleaned the intake of my VW TDI because of this problem. Other TDI owners have had the intake plug up completely. One advantage that the TDI has is that the intake is fairly easy to remove. The intake on our CRD is not so easy because the fuel injection system will have also need to be removed to get the manifold off for cleaning. It was not all that uncommon for VW TDI owners to get charged $700 to $1000 for this cleaning.

Thanks Reggie - How many miles were on your TDI when you had to clean the intake?

Makes you wonder why there is not additive on the market that can be dumped in the fuel tank every so often (like fuel injector cleaner on gas cars) to break down deposits and build-up in there. :roll:

.... and how stupid auto mfrs are to not add some type of filtration at the factory since this problem for diesels is not a new one.

Damage from a wet/oily CAC happens before anything a fuel additive will fix. Only way to prevent it is to use a CCV filter (provent) and monitor your CAC hoses for oil being passed through the turbocharger oil seals. Start by adding the CCV filter. Next check your oil level religiously as frequently as you buy fuel. If you start using oil, better find out where it's going. Will all but guarantee you will find it in your CAC hoses.

I pulled the CAC hose off a friend's '02 Jetta TDI last week, not a pretty sight. It has at least 1/8 inch build-up of grease/sludge lining the inside the hose and throttle body. He is starting to have performance problems and will take his apart very soon for this cleaning. This one has 180K miles.

Guest · **Posted:** Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:31 am

12.5k miles. No warranty repairs yet. '05 CRD Sport build on 6-20-05.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:33 pm

Had a MAF replaced at less then 700 miles, transmission fluid & filter replaced at 1700 miles, and EGR Flow Contro Valve replaced at about 4,000 mile point, currently have just over 11,000 miles on the Liberty. No further problems since, so the truck may be a keeper since the wife really likes the Liberty.

Running B2, 49 cetane fuel since buying the CRD new.

Laids · **Posted:** Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:38 pm

Lower ball joints , about 1/8" play, 23,000 kms. and thats it .

NJ KJ · **Posted:** Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:54 pm

This is a story and a half.... i purchaced a 05 crd and at 8k miles had massive trans falure... they wanted to rebuild it in my brand new 31k$ car and i told them to shove it and that i wanted a replaceiment...... after much fighting i eventully lost and was told that they were allowed to fix it (or attempt to fix it) 3 times before i was even conciderd to have a replaceiment issued... so falure 1 took place @8k and then @11k the clutches went, then @20k teh torqueconverter went... 3 strikes ur out... i fould the vp of dc's number, mailing, and email... sent him all the info and after much bitching and moaning they issued me a 06 replaceiment crd.... VICTORY.... so far with about 30k on it no major problems except for the check TPM light came on all the time.. they replaced the computer for it and so far so good....

the bect of luck to all of you.. and remember if they try to give u crap.... fightback :twisted:

Precistance pays off....

MOSFET · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:40 pm **Posts:** 295

Well at 16,000 miles my check engine light came on. Dealer said it is a bad glow plug. It is odd that a glow plug could go bad in June in the metro DC area.

This is the first problem I have had so far in my 05 CRD.

The service girl assumed it was the EGR when I called to make an appointment. She alluded to the fact that I will probably have an EGR failure eventually. Some CRDs have had 3 EGRs at their dealership.

tired_old_dave · **Joined:** Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:45 pm **Posts:** 79

EGR, Lower Ball Joints, and transmission/tc if my great dealership (Grubbs in Bedford, TX) can't save them.
Posted at edmunds #6520.

Pulled a no-no and tried to thank the employees by name and not just their dealership. Not that it matters but the post at edmunds is now #6526.

dog_party · **Posted:** Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:56 pm

Just the tranny thing for me.

kjfishman · **Posted:** Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:20 am

NJ KJ wrote:

This is a story and a half.... i purchaced a 05 crd and at 8k miles had massive trans falure... they wanted to rebuild it in my brand new 31k$ car and i told them to shove it and that i wanted a replaceiment...... after much fighting i eventully L.O.S.T. and was told that they were allowed to fix it (or attempt to fix it) 3 times before i was even conciderd to have a replaceiment issued... so falure 1 took place @8k and then @11k the clutches went, then @20k teh torqueconverter went... 3 strikes ur out... i fould the vp of dc's number, mailing, and email... sent him all the info and after much bitching and moaning they issued me a 06 replaceiment crd.... VICTORY.... so far with about 30k on it no major problems except for the check TPM light came on all the time.. they replaced the computer for it and so far so good....

the bect of luck to all of you.. and remember if they try to give u crap.... fightback :twisted:

Precistance pays off....

Any chance you could PM me with the contact info mentioned above?

NJ KJ · **Posted:** Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:18 pm

I take it back...... i have about 30k now with major problems!!!! the same thing happend with my new 06 as the 05... as i alredy mentoned... it just took longer to happen...... the tranny is FUBAR

redcrd · **Posted:** Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:24 am

i've had 2 EGR valves installed in a 1 year time frame

KJbob · **Posted:** Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:41 am

16,329 miles and no failures so far. Had the BCM and tranny filter TSB's performed

miserylovescompany · **Posted:** Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:14 am

2005 CRD about 17,500 miles. Has been sitting at dealer for three weeks with severe shudder shifting from 2nd to 1st causing the engine to stall. Also 'trans temp' light started coming on after shudder problem appeared. But the check engine light does not come on and no fault codes are recorded. The dealer first tried to re-flash but this had no effect on the problem. It is now awaiting a whole new trasmission but torque converters are back ordered (gee I wonder why?).

Also had to replace the number four glow plug and wiring harness but that pales in comparison to new trans after 17,000 miles.

My guess is that chrysler torque converters are of poor quality and can not handle the low-end torque of the CRD. I've also heard of trans/tc problems in Ram trucks especially those with the Cummins diesel (500 pounds torque).

Does anyone know if there is a heavier duty TC out there that could be used to replace the factory part?

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